Reasons to vote UKIP

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ST4 said:
The point is a lot of non EU nationals come here looking for benefits too.

Indeed the Mayor of Calais claimed their town was overun with people trying to come here "for the benefits".

In saying that, if immigration laws were tighter, we wouldn't be shafting other countries with our own umemployed.

Look at the table, we have more EU nationals claiming benefits as a whole in the UK, than we have exported. Look at the pale blue bars, then the dark blue ones...
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Non-EU immigrants, don't get benefits. EU immigrants, only get certain benefits after they've been here for a certain amount of time. And illegal immigrants, definitely don't get benefits.

UKIP are good for one thing though, a good laugh, like when they thought Westminster Cathedral was a Mosque. Or claimed that allowing gay marriage caused the floods, or called all their female supporters sluts and said we shouldn't send aid to "bongo bongo land". Would be completely hilarious if people weren't actually considering voting for them!
 
boyfalldown said:
Thats a UKIP quote....their words, not mine.......Hows that make me closed minded? Please stop the petty insults by the way.
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Que? :confused: They were my words. I was asking you a question.

You are closed minded because you aint gonna change your mind whatever anyone says.
You are also following the media/opposition to UKIP by throwing out cheap jibes & insinuating they are a racist party.

What petty insults have I said btw? :confused:
 
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OldCarlos said:
Media savvy!?!? ROFLMAO You talking about the BBC, Telegraph, Guardian, Private Eye.........? You definitely are entrenched & closed minded. ;)
Can you point me in the direction of an impartial source of media, please?
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It was ukip who said they'd done less well in london because londoners were better educated and more media savvy - so yes its a ridiculous statement, but thats the sort of drivel they come out with
 
KitsuneAndy said:
Non-EU immigrants, don't get benefits. EU immigrants, only get certain benefits after they've been here for a certain amount of time. And illegal immigrants, definitely don't get benefits.

UKIP are good for one thing though, a good laugh, like when they thought Westminster Cathedral was a Mosque. Or claimed that allowing gay marriage caused the floods, or called all their female supporters sluts and said we shouldn't send aid to "bongo bongo land". Would be completely hilarious if people weren't actually considering voting for them!
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UKIP didn't. Party individuals did.

That'd be like saying ALL tories are liars, or `forgetful`, because the party Chairman Grant Shapps is.
 
OldCarlos said:
insinuating they are a racist party.
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It doesnt need insinuating when ukip candidates keep espousing racist views - yes farrage usually kicks them out when they embarass the party, but you have to wonder why he appointed them in the first place... how many candidates have the conservative, liberals, labour, greens, and sNP had to expell for being racist assholes ? (as far as i know none - and even if theres one or two its a lot less than ukip)

plus of course you have Kerry smith who Farage decided to defend on national radio despite him being both racist and homophobic. After smith described a chinese woman as a chinky bird, and gays as f*****g disgusting perverts - Farage reportedly told the BCC - "Smith is a working class boy from a council estate, he uses words and terms that are common in that background and it is right that he should do so"

Despite his leaders suport Smith resigned as a ukip candidate, although he hasnt left the party

plus you have this sort of thing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-stereotyping-minorities-posted-online.html and thats a DM report - not themselves known for their liberal or left wing leanings
 
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KitsuneAndy said:
Non-EU immigrants, don't get benefits. EU immigrants, only get certain benefits after they've been here for a certain amount of time. And illegal immigrants, definitely don't get benefits.
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It was reported in the news a couple of months ago that British migrants living in other EU countries claim more in benefits than non British EU migrants who move to the UK.


Steve.
 
If wanting to look after our own people (whatever colour) first, why is that racist? The `racist` card is banded about FAR too often to win arguments, or stop discussions!

Are the USA racist, or Australia, New Zealand etc etc because they have requirements & control over who is admitted?
 
OldCarlos said:
Que? :confused: They were my words. I was asking you a question.
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My quoting UKIP went over your head didn't it?


OldCarlos said:
You are closed minded because you aint gonna change your mind whatever anyone says.
You are also following the media/opposition to UKIP by throwing out cheap jibes & insinuating they are a racist party.

What petty insults have I said btw? :confused:
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If not supporting UKIP means I 'm never going to be racisit, homophobic or sexist. Then happy to be closed minded.

You mean they're not racist? That is a first. This gem for example "How we can possibly be giving £1bn a month, when we're in this sort of debt, to Bongo Bongo Land is completely beyond me."

That racism goes so far that Farage also prioritised lower economic growth and a poorer Britain over an increase in migrants in the UK. "The social side of this matters more than pure market economics". His words again. Fail to see how that looks after people.

Or homophobic "The evidence is quite clear that the percentage of homosexuals who molest children is very high and cannot be dismissed."

Or sexist, scrap the equality acts and remove paid maternity leave anyone?

so if thats what closed minded means and yes, it is a petty insult. I assume you support these things and are open minded. Therefore you can make a reasoned arguement why I should too?
 
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OldCarlos said:
If wanting to look after our own people (whatever colour) first, why is that racist? The `racist` card is banded about FAR too often to win arguments, or stop discussions!

Are the USA racist, or Australia, New Zealand etc etc because they have requirements & control over who is admitted?
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So the Ukip candidate who feels that "lenny henry should go back to a black country" wasnt motivated by race then ?
 
boyfalldown said:
My quoting UKIP went over your head didn't it?
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No. You also didn't answer the question....did you.:rolleyes:

boyfalldown said:
I assume you support these things and are open minded.
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Don't assume anything about me either ;)


You can quote endlessly all you like, just as others who are frightened of change are doing, but it aint specific to UKIP. We can all find hundreds of quotes from the 3 main parties that can be singled out & used negatively.
Mud-slinging happens all the time.....especially at election time.

Dismissing out of hand the proposals of any party, just because of who they are IS closed minded. ;)
 
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big soft moose said:
So the Ukip candidate who feels that "lenny henry should go back to a black country" wasnt motivated by race then ?
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There have been countless quotes, of a similar nature, from the other parties too in the past. Will you still be voting for their party then?
 
OldCarlos said:
No. You also didn't answer the question....did you.:rolleyes:



Don't assume anything about me either ;)


You can quote endlessly all you like, just as others who are frightened of change are doing, but it aint specific to UKIP. We can all find hundreds of quotes from the 3 main parties that can be singled out & used negatively.
Mud-slinging happens all the time.....especially at election time.

Dismissing out of hand the proposals of any party, just because of who they are IS closed minded. ;)
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I don't claim to be media savvy. However as ukip described Londoners that way I must be. Honest. That was the reason for my words. What part of that did you miss? It did go over your head?

Anyway I'd love change, but it I don't see how it can be ukip. As I said convince me otherwise? I'm waiting. And opened my mind for the next hour :)
 
OldCarlos said:
There have been countless quotes, of a similar nature, from the other parties too in the past. Will you still be voting for their party then?
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I wasnt intending to vote tory either so it's not really a concern

No other party (apart from the BNP) has had as many candidates make openly racist , sexist or homophobic remarks as ukip has though

rember Farage defening Kerry Smith on National Radio (Smith having described a chinese girl as a 'chinky bird' and said that gays were 'f*****g disgusting perverts' ) Farrage " well kerry is a council estate lad so he uses words from that culture and its right that he should do so" yeah erm okay...
 
boyfalldown said:
I don't claim to be media savvy. However as ukip described Londoners that way I must be. Honest. That was the reason for my words. What part of that did you miss? It did go over your head?

Anyway I'd love change, but it I don't see how it can be ukip. As I said convince me otherwise? I'm waiting. And opened my mind for the next hour :)
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I was simply asking where I (indeed any of us) can get impartial information & balanced views.

Like you & a great many people, I'd love change too. I also don't se UKIP as the panacea, BUT who else is there?
 
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Pete, I use the same term (chinky) when mentioning a Chinese meal. I also probably use other phrases that may be said these days to not be correct., but PLEASE don't think I'm racist because I'm not.
Age, culture, upbringing, regional differences etc do contribute to how people speak.
 
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OldCarlos said:
Pete, I use the same term (chinky) when mentioning a Chinese meal. I also probably use other phrases that may be said these days to not be correct., but PLEASE don't think I'm racist because I'm not.
Age, culture, upbringing, regional differences etc do contribute to how people speak.
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yeah but you don't use it in perjorative sense - nor are you standing for parliment.

I can be a bit of a weapons grade b*****d at times - as you may have noticed on here... but i don't behave like that in my proffesional life, and I wouldnt expect my bosss to think it was okay if i did
 
OldCarlos said:
I was simply asking where I (indeed any of us) can get impartial information & balanced views.
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I genuinely don't know. Not without bias one way or the other. I was laughing at the fact anyone would think of me as media savvy in that statement. I didn't want to imply I actually was. It amused me. I have an odd sense of humour

OldCarlos said:
Like you & a great many people, I'd love change too. I also don't se UKIP as the panacea, BUT who else is there?
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Again, I'm really lost. At the last election it seemed very clear cut. My local lib dem MP was very good and well respected. He lives in the same road as me, had a genuine interest in local matters andwould often stop and talk about how my business was going. On that basis I voted for him. Since he's become part of the coallition,and the business secretary he's shown no interest in his constituancy, embarasses himself in the media and on the rare occasions I see him in the street looks shifty and averts his gaze. To say I think I wasted my last vote is an understatment. I'm sure that makes no difference to him at all.

But in all honesty I can't vote for the tories, labour are a joke at the mo and for the reasons above I couldn't live with a UKIP vote. I certainly won't be voting for the encumbent either. Its the first time I've been lost how to vote and think the only answer is to spoil my paper
 
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boyfalldown said:
Do you think a Black Country is near bongo bongo land?
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I know of Mazda Bongo owners in the west midlands, otherwise known as the Black Country. The term, Black Country, has nothing to do with people btw. There is also an annual Bongo rally in that area, so it's a bongo bongo (x100) land.
 
KEEFYP said:
I know of Mazda Bongo owners in the west midlands, otherwise known as the Black Country. The term, Black Country, has nothing to do with people btw. There is also an annual Bongo rally in that area, so it's a bongo bongo (x100) land.
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and Lenny was born in Dudley. So I guess that must be what was meant then ;)
 
OldCarlos said:
If wanting to look after our own people (whatever colour) first, why is that racist? The `racist` card is banded about FAR too often to win arguments, or stop discussions!

Are the USA racist, or Australia, New Zealand etc etc because they have requirements & control over who is admitted?
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Australia and New Zealand are ageist in their points based system. Oz has an age limit of 50, NZ is 55.

People who complain of older people using language that is contemporary to their lifetime are also ageist. Poor education has led to the professional offence takers that pervade society today, where context and intent is an alien thought process.
 
OldCarlos said:
So considering something for 3 seconds, is reasonable & balanced?

Calling someone who wants change & doesn't agree with the scaremongerers, thick..............another good reason the system needs a shake up!
(btw, politicians, BBC, lefties etc telling folk NOT to vote for something will hopefully have the adverse reaction)
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Who says the BBC is left wing?

Oh, the right wing press.
Of course the BBC is full of Lefties, being led by it's famously Leftie Chairman Chris Patten...

Oops, I mean famous ex Conservative cabinet minister Chris Patten:thinking:

The right wing press knock the BBC because they don't like the way it's funded, and whilst ever it exists we'll never have the kind of freedom in broadcast news that is allowed in newspapers. Basically the BBC is stopping Sky News turning into Fox News, even fans of Sky should be grateful for that ;).
 
boyfalldown said:
Do you think a Black Country is near bongo bongo land?
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I'll let Wiki answer that :D

The Black Country is an area of the West Midlands in England, north and west of Birmingham. It includes the Metropolitan Boroughs of Walsall, Dudley and Sandwell.
 
Cobra said:
I'll let Wiki answer that :D

The Black Country is an area of the West Midlands in England, north and west of Birmingham. It includes the Metropolitan Boroughs of Walsall, Dudley and Sandwell.
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& as @KEEFYP has pointed out there is indeed a bongo meet up there
 
simon ess said:
Who are the senior Ukip people who would form a government if Ukip were to get into power?

Who would Farage have to choose from for Secretary of State for...

Defense
Education
Health

And who might be Chancellor?
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This exactly is the key problem I have with them. As an immigrant myself I think they have a lot of good points. However they don't have enough good people to makeup a good government. A bit like labour ;) :p
 
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OldCarlos said:
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Are the USA racist, or Australia, New Zealand etc etc because they have requirements & control over who is admitted?
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Well I don't know about New Zealand, but I'd definitely describe the USA and Australia as places which have a horrifically racist reputation, whether that's social inclusion, government sponsored ethnic cleansing, the way that the law treats different races, reacts to natural disasters... etc. etc.

Would anyone really argue with that? Can we really suggest that those 2 countries aren't endemically racist?
 
dejongj said:
This exactly is the key problem I have with them. As an immigrant myself I think they have a lot of good points. However they don't have enough good people to makeup a good government. A bit like labour ;) :p
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The best sort of government is a Tory UKIP coalition government with UKIP taking the borders and foreign policy and Tories health, education, transport.
 
dejongj said:
However they don't have enough good people to makeup a good government. A bit like labour ;) :p
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Didn't stop the current government appointing a chancellor who's sole qualification for the job is O level maths :). All the parties seem to lack good people
 
ST4 said:
The best sort of government is a Tory UKIP coalition government with UKIP taking the borders and foreign policy and Tories health, education, transport.
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I wouldn't mind that at all. Oh and the Conservatives should keep the hands on the purse as well ;)
 
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boyfalldown said:
Didn't stop the current government appointing a chancellor who's sole qualification for the job is O level maths :). All the parties seem to lack good people
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I mentioned good people, they don't have to be technocrats.
 
Phil V said:
Well I don't know about New Zealand, but I'd definitely describe the USA and Australia as places which have a horrifically racist reputation, whether that's social inclusion, government sponsored ethnic cleansing, the way that the law treats different races, reacts to natural disasters... etc. etc.

Would anyone really argue with that? Can we really suggest that those 2 countries aren't endemically racist?
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Weren't we talking about border policy?
 
boyfalldown said:
As always.......I wish I could say fashionably late, but it's just late :)
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It was only just over an hour, I make that fashionably late TBH :D
 
dejongj said:
Weren't we talking about border policy?
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Well if that means you accept that they're intrinsically racist, it's difficult to conceive that their border policy won't have an element of racism underpinning it.

That would seem like a simple deduction?
 
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