Reasons to vote UKIP

[Phil V]

You are right. There are some blatant abuses where the rules strictly speaking are followed, however it could be argued that it is for the sole purpose off avoidance rather than in pursuit of running a good business.

Interestingly, Hmrc already got the measures to deal with those. Yet don't seem to apply them.

Maybe it's because they're overstretched and underfunded, because the best tax specialists can earn infinitely more as poachers than gamekeepers?

No, forget it, it's obviously because they're just corrupt and incompetent.

 

[dejongj]

Maybe it's because they're overstretched and underfunded, because the best tax specialists can earn infinitely more as poachers than gamekeepers?

No, forget it, it's obviously because they're just corrupt and incompetent.

Don't be ridiculous. I think it is quite an insult to call them all corrupt and incompetent.

Nothing stopping them paying more for good people. In fact there used to be a technical specialist grade which span a very wide range of remuneration. Guess when that was removed, yup under the previous administration as everyone had to be dumbed down to a generic level.

Some of us have first hand experience and insights.

 

[SFTPhotography]

I was responding to a particular point.. why don't you read context? is it too difficult a concept for you?

It has been explained to you the UKIP policy, it is indeed on their website what their policy is? No racism or bigotry is present.

Not so good for scaremongering I am afraid.

 

[SFTPhotography]

The flip side of that is it cuts both ways. I imagine it makes us less attractive to investment too. Why invest in the UK when you could go to Germany and have any eu national work for you easily. As opposed to having to complete a complex points system? It also makes it harder for those who can't manage to recruit in the UK. To the point I imagine those businesses may fail. But Nigel farage has said he doesn't care if this has a negative affect on the UK economy. It's only the social effect that matters

Perhaps, but then there will be less beaurcacy and EU this and that to comply too. Also a highly educated and skilled English speaking labour force here and if we cut corporation tax we could be very attractive to do business here.

Have some faith in your fellow countrymen.

 

[Phil V]

Don't be ridiculous. I think it is quite an insult to call them all corrupt and incompetent.

Nothing stopping them paying more for good people. In fact there used to be a technical specialist grade which span a very wide range of remuneration. Guess when that was removed, yup under the previous administration as everyone had to be dumbed down to a generic level.

Some of us have first hand experience and insights.

I know an awful lot about the pay grade structures in HMRC ta.

And I'm well aware of when the cuts were made, and it's been sliding downhill for a lot of years, has nothing much to do with the colour of the rosette on the PM, but deep down you know that really, but you like to pretend to be political .

Or I could respond with the answer my tory mates used to give me about problems during the last administration 'Well your lot are in power now, they could put it right' it's petty, we all know the general direction of the public sector (I won't mention is currently growing as recent cuts proved counter productive - who's in power?)

 

[Phil V]

It has been explained to you the UKIP policy, it is indeed on their website what their policy is? No racism or bigotry is present.

Not so good for scaremongering I am afraid.

So you didn't bother to read the point I was responding to then? Any chance you'll do it now?

If you don't it makes you look a bit more stupid than you did before you know, at the moment you're punching your own shadow.

 

[SFTPhotography]

So you didn't bother to read the point I was responding to then? Any chance you'll do it now?

If you don't it makes you look a bit more stupid than you did before you know, at the moment you're punching your own shadow.

You said in a prior post they were racist. I set you right. Simples.

Well if that means you accept that they're intrinsically racist, it's difficult to conceive that their border policy won't have an element of racism underpinning it.

Points based immigration system. Can you please explain how UKIP are racist given they would wish to deal with immigration purely on a merit basis?

 

[boyfalldown]

Perhaps, but then there will be less beaurcacy and EU this and that to comply too. Also a highly educated and skilled English speaking labour force here and if we cut corporation tax we could be very attractive to do business here.

Have some faith in your fellow countrymen.

I do have faith in them. But I don't believe that as a whole we,re any worse or any better then anywhere else either. I think that our education is no better either. English speaking is ok, but Chinese is where it's at . Ok that's facetious, but many or even most other countries treat a second and third language far higher then we do. I'm betting far more educated Germans speak good English then vice versa

At 20/21% it's pretty attractive, certainly compared to lots of places, so you need to be able to offer more. That included the best people to easily get.

Do you think a company like Toyota would have invested the amount they have if they couldn't easily access eu markets from here?

 

[SFTPhotography]

Do you think a company like Toyota would have invested the amount they have if they couldn't easily access eu markets from here?

Maybe. Why, even outwith the EU we are not severing trading ties, merely fiscal and political ones.

UK built Toyotas see life all over the world, not just the EU as well as the UK, a pretty big market

 

[Phil V]

You said in a prior post they were racist. I set you right. Simples.

You really haven't read my posts, or you'd have quoted, you're shadow boxing daft lad!
To make it simple for you, this is the chain of events:

If wanting to look after our own people (whatever colour) first, why is that racist? The `racist` card is banded about FAR too often to win arguments, or stop discussions!

Are the USA racist, or Australia, New Zealand etc etc because they have requirements & control over who is admitted?

Well I don't know about New Zealand, but I'd definitely describe the USA and Australia as places which have a horrifically racist reputation, whether that's social inclusion, government sponsored ethnic cleansing, the way that the law treats different races, reacts to natural disasters... etc. etc.

Would anyone really argue with that? Can we really suggest that those 2 countries aren't endemically racist?

Weren't we talking about border policy?

Well if that means you accept that they're intrinsically racist, it's difficult to conceive that their border policy won't have an element of racism underpinning it.

That would seem like a simple deduction?

If that's me calling UKIP Racist, I'll show my arse in the co-op window.

 

[jakeblu]

Its not what they put on their web page or in their manifesto thats the problem, I mean not even the BNP claims to be racist.

Its what they say and believe thats the real problem

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/02/ukip-party-bigots-lets-look-evidence

 

[boyfalldown]

Maybe. Why, even outwith the EU we are not severing trading ties, merely fiscal and political ones.

Maybe, but I'm going to bet we can't pick and chose what we retain if we leave. It'll make us far less attractive to trade with

 

[big soft moose]

Nope.
Godfrey Bloom was only asked by Nigel Farage not to repeat the "bongo bongo land" comment - he wasn't censured, let alone kicked out of the party for it.

ditto kerry smith resigned as a candidate but wasnt kicked out of the party - despite making remarks showing him to be a racist sexist homophobe

in fact most of the candidate who have made it clear that they'd have been at home in the third reich havent been kicked out of the party - most have either been forced to resign as candidates by public opinion or occasionally sacked after they became too embarrasing, but havent actually been ehjected from the party itself

Rozanne Duncan is an exception (shes the woman expelled from ukip after saying she had a problem with people with negroid features - live on national television) Farage called her comments deeply racist and expelled her (of course this is completely unconnected to her being in the same area where he is running for MP )

 

[SFTPhotography]

Maybe, but I'm going to bet we can't pick and chose what we retain if we leave. It'll make us far less attractive to trade with

We import a lot of EU made goods. Think the French and Germans will want to stop trading with us just because we leave.

Doubt it. The basic idea of free trade is a sound one, but fiscal integration and mass free borders and giving into rule from the EU, less so....IMHO. Hence the rise of the UKIP movement.

 

[SFTPhotography]

You really haven't read my posts, or you'd have quoted, you're shadow boxing daft lad!
To make it simple for you, this is the chain of events:







If that's me calling UKIP Racist, I'll show my arse in the co-op window.

I've read it. I disagree with your views that Australia and the US are racist.

 

[BRASH]

I've read it. I disagree with your views that Australia and the US are racist.

Why do you bother. Entertainment value?

 

[SFTPhotography]

Why do you bother. Entertainment value?

I cannot bare stupidity.

 

[boyfalldown]

We import a lot of EU made goods. Think the French and Germans will want to stop trading with us just because we leave.

Doubt it. The basic idea of free trade is a sound one, but fiscal integration and mass free borders and giving into rule from the EU, less so....IMHO. Hence the rise of the UKIP movement.

No, I don't think they'll stop. But I do think it'll be harder if we leave. So I'm thinking that if they have a choice who to trade with they'll go to the other guy. The EU would rather have trading partners in the EU. Same as that will become a factor in deciding where to place investment - to our detriment. Ask an economist at work tomorrow. I'm going to bet they agree with me.

On a very low level I agree with you though. I think some of the terms of our EU membership do need to be looked at again. After a look at the costs and benefits of each

 

[Phil V]

I've read it. I disagree with your views that Australia and the US are racist.

You're of course entitled to disagree, in the face of masses of evidence to the contrary.

However, on a related note, I'll accept your apology for accusing me of calling UKIP racist.

Now we've cleared that up. UKIP are definitely designed to appeal to Racists. See Steve's post above for the evidence (I know you won't BTW, which is why I never bothered linking evidence re the US and Australia)

 

[BRASH]

I cannot bare stupidity.

I know what you mean. There's been plenty of that on here, broad sweeping statements and unfounded allegations. I dunno what the world would be like without keyboard warriors and barrack room lawyers

 

[Phil V]

I cannot bare stupidity.

I don't know... it quite suits you

 

[SFTPhotography]

I know what you mean. There's been plenty of that on here, broad sweeping statements and unfounded allegations. I dunno what the world would be like without keyboard warriors and barrack room lawyers

Thatcher stole their milk as babies so they still cry like babies.

Thatcher didn't steal it, milk isn't a right, its not needed. Not like an education and food.

 

[SFTPhotography]

You're of course entitled to disagree, in the face of masses of evidence to the contrary.

Oz and the US let people into their country based on skills and merit? How is that racist?

 

[jakeblu]

I cannot bare stupidity.

Is that the naked sort then

 

[Phil V]

Oz and the US let people into their country based on skills and merit? How is that racist?

Read what I wrote, rather than looking for monosyllabic arguments. I've done with spoon feeding you.

 

[big soft moose]

other comments from representatives of a party which 'definitely isnt racist'

Islam is a cancer that needs eradicating multiculturism does not work in this country clear them all off to the desert with their camels that’s their way of life - Ken Chapman, standing for ellection as a Ukip councillor

I visiting the city of Birmingham recently and felt like a foreigner in the city of my birth, all around me I could hear the sound of jabbering in an alien voice … we also have the Pakistani’ and the Somali’s. Tell me Mr Cameron Why? the men wear their Pyjamas - Dave Small, ukip councillor

Things Asian Boys Do groom and rape underage white girls, stab and rob innocent old white people, bomb innocent white people - James Elgar Ukip councillor candidate (nb ive removed his hashtags so it doesnt link)

Most Nigerians are generally bad people… I grew up in Africa and dare anyone to prove me wrong. - Andre Lampitt Ukip MEP

Well, I reckon dogs are more intelligent, better company and certainly better behaved than most Muslims - Jouesph Quirk former Ukip parlimentary candidate (who also thinks that jewish bankers funded the holocaust)

The nazis; a warning from history-is there any difference between the islamic ideology and the nazis? - Harry Perry , Former UKIP councillor

Asian Muslims groom our white girls, now they rape our boys. Jordanian Paralympians commit sex offences. We need to reclaim our country - Ron Northcott Ukip candidate plymouth

Coloured people were intended by nature to be slaves... a base born man can never conceal his true nature - David William-Griffiths , member of UKIp west london branch

I agree with the EDL - Martin Caine comitte member poole and mid dorset

Ukip should target BNP members for recruitment - Brian Otridge , Ukip Campaign manger west hampshire

We are not just talking about pressure on services from immigration but also, and I have to say it, the crime associated with Romanians - Diane James UKIP MEP

yeah , no racism there :bang:

 

[Steve Smith]

English speaking is ok, but Chinese is where it's at. OK, that's facetious

It's not, it's true.

We had our go with an Empire, then the US ruled the world commercially, now it's China's turn.


Steve.

 

[dejongj]

You really haven't read my posts, or you'd have quoted, you're shadow boxing daft lad!
To make it simple for you, this is the chain of events:







If that's me calling UKIP Racist, I'll show my arse in the co-op window.

Better gather that photo evidence, I'll accept it with a black line on it to censor those white bits that nobody wants to see.

 

[Phil V]

Better gather that photo evidence, I'll accept it with a black line on it to censor those white bits that nobody wants to see.

It does seem though that I proved I never said it and Steve had to back down. I'm are you're heartily disappointed.