Reasons to vote UKIP

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Total lack of imagination. This forum could do with a dislike button so I don't have to write this.
 
Also no reason to keep the scum we already have in parliament, the conservatives, worse than the alternatives.
 
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dejongj said:
Total lack of imagination. This forum could do with a dislike button so I don't have to write this.
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You have not written anything you typed it :D
 
Had me worried there for a minute until I looked at the link :D
 
My thoughts on this election.

Conservatives - "We're all in it together" Yes we are, but only the poor are paying to put the country back on its feet for faults they didn't contribute to.

Labour - Virtually bankrupted us 5 years ago. Tony Bliar said "No more boom and bust" then watched house prices rise double in 18 months, way beyond the means of the common man. What use is the minimum wage when the average house prices are 14 times the minimum wage income.

Lib Dem - Not going to be around after May 7th so not much point discussing them.

Greens - Still trying to develop policy with 60 odd days to go. Leader collapsed under pressure when being questioned.

UKIP - Trying to get democracy back in this country. Agree with their policies or not, we have to do what Brussels tells us to do. We've spent BILLIONS invading other countries to give them democracy when our own politicians can't decide our own laws.
 
I think it is a bit 'rich' to suggest that only the poor are paying to put the country back on its feet when the top 1% earner already pay for 29.8% of all our income alone. And to be in that top 1% of earners these days you 'only' have to earn £160K...In 2007 at the end of the Labour that group only accounted for 24% of the income. So whilst on the face of it there has been reduction in income tax rate as labour often like to remind people, in real terms that has actually helped as the tories predicted to generate more income. That is an increase of nearly 6% in actually terms in the share that they contribute.

And not only that, the threshold after which you start paying has significantly been raised as well. So, sorry, but I don't see the reality around these statement that only the poor are paying to put the country back on its feet. It just doesn't mathematically add up and is just not true.
 
Not forgetting the SNP for all our Scottish members. I'm glad that what I see as a rather sinister "Children's Bill" is now being challenged in court.

Then there is the SNP's obsession with scrapping Trident and making Scotland a non-nuclear equipped country. I can see the pros and cons to this but I do remember seeing an article which noted:

Latest country to give up its nuclear weapons = Ukraine
Latest country to be invaded by a nuclear equipped country = Ukraine
 
h14nha said:
My thoughts on this election.

Conservatives - "We're all in it together" Yes we are, but only the poor are paying to put the country back on its feet for faults they didn't contribute to.

Labour - Virtually bankrupted us 5 years ago. Tony Bliar said "No more boom and bust" then watched house prices rise double in 18 months, way beyond the means of the common man. What use is the minimum wage when the average house prices are 14 times the minimum wage income.

Lib Dem - Not going to be around after May 7th so not much point discussing them.

Greens - Still trying to develop policy with 60 odd days to go. Leader collapsed under pressure when being questioned.

UKIP - Trying to get democracy back in this country. Agree with their policies or not, we have to do what Brussels tells us to do. We've spent BILLIONS invading other countries to give them democracy when our own politicians can't decide our own laws.
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Sod them all.......vote SNP:D
 
I'm sure I read the other day the rich have doubled their wealth since 2009. The poor are in a trap. They earn low wages, they have to have their income subsidised by other low earners which in turn allows employers to have their wage bills topped up by the taxpayer. PAYE people are not rich, they can't employ clever dicks to bury their money. High earners do their level best to avoid contributing, but still want to use the services others pay for. What's fair about someone earning 50k paying the same rate as David Beckham ?

The top 1% may be paying more now, but they're still extremely rich. Some people own a thousand houses, whilst others cannot afford one. I wish people would go squat in the empty Russian/Chinese houses in London, why should people sleep in doorways whilst foreigners price UK residents out of our own homes
 
Bigger reason not to is they're politicians and thus professional liars !

I'm yet to see a decent reason to vote for any party, little ever changes, though I'm only 29, they never do what they say and there's no punishment for doing it! The country votes to employ them for the job then don't perform as we were promised so why bother ? I only ever se reasons to avoid other parties and then it's more lucky dip with the other less terrible parties.
 
Adam_M said:
Bigger reason not to is they're politicians and thus professional liars !

I'm yet to see a decent reason to vote for any party, little ever changes, though I'm only 29, they never do what they say and there's no punishment for doing it! The country votes to employ them for the job then don't perform as we were promised so why bother ? I only ever se reasons to avoid other parties and then it's more lucky dip with the other less terrible parties.
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Once upon a time (okay they still are) the Tories were for the middleclasses, most of their MP's were privately educated and quite a few went to Eaton and came from previliged backgrounds and never had a clue about the average man on the street.
Labour MP's traditionally came from a working class back ground and some at least had a clue about the average man on the street.
The Liberal Democrats (formely the Liberal party) have and always will be the underdogs.

Now fast forward to the 21st century.....I haven't checked so I could be wrong but I would lay odds on that Ed Milliband, his brother and quite a few had a private education, along with the likes of Tony Blair.
So nowadays neither of the main parties have a clue about the average man on the street and I'd love to see these MP's try to survive on our pathetic minimum wage.

If was 29 now I would be feeling exactly the same as you.
 
Labour in Government. Rich get richer. 'Poor' encouraged not to bother getting out of poverty by paying them large amounts of cash in benefits. Middle class/earners get screwed.

Conservatives in Government. Rich get richer. 'Poor' encouraged into jobs with wages topped up by Government subsidies. Middle class/earners get screwed.

Lib/dems. Who knows, who cares. Most likely to shoot middle class dogs, after which they will screw the middle class/earners.

Greens. I am magenta, so don't care, but likely to screw everyone apart from cannabis salesmen. Will insist on UK defence being a large sign saying cool dude and catalytic converters on army rifles. Especially going to screw the middle class TD Golf owning middle classes/earners.

SNP - Can't take no for an answer. It must be the middle class/earners fault.

UKIP? if they get a reasonable vote it might wake the main parties up a bit, the prospect of loosing their cushy life styles will focus a lot minds in marginal constituencies.
 
gman said:
Not forgetting the SNP for all our Scottish members. I'm glad that what I see as a rather sinister "Children's Bill" is now being challenged in court.

Then there is the SNP's obsession with scrapping Trident and making Scotland a non-nuclear equipped country. I can see the pros and cons to this but I do remember seeing an article which noted:

Latest country to give up its nuclear weapons = Ukraine
Latest country to be invaded by a nuclear equipped country = Ukraine
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A governments ultimate responsibility is the security of its people.
 
People are sick of what they see as pandering to Europe, we have to let any Tom, Dick or Harry come and work in this country as long as they are in the European Union whether we need their skills or not.

We are paying large amounts to Europe, the last but one Labour Prime Minister gave up a lot of our rebate to try and further his own career.

A lot of our powers are decided by European parliament, we can't sell by the lb, can't sell bent bananas, etc

There are a lot of people who are starting to resent the eastern europeans coming over here, taking our jobs, living in the lap of luxury.

Most reasonable people know most of this is [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] but all it needs is enough unreasonable people to vote
 
I have had the ability to vote for 40 years.. and for 40 yrs i have never voted....

If I dont vote I cant complain? Well yes I can.. however i don't bother...

People fought a war so i could vote? No they didn't.. they fought a war so i could choose to vote or not.


However if it becamee law that i had to vote then UKIP would get my tick in the box. Get us out of europe and tighten imigration laws... I agree with UKIP that there is nothign wrong with letting people from anywhere into this country.. colour religion doesnt matter.. everyone welcome... BUT ...Not if your coming to screw the system.. its not a matter of race.. everyones welcome if you have the right intentions..

In reality and in the 40 yrs that I ahve been able to vote... I havent noticed any change to my life every time the goverment changes... thats why i don't bother :)


Carry on.................
 
Spending on welfare/services is less now (in real terms) than in the 1930's.
The cuts we've endured during this last parliament have been harsh, BUT........there's more to come!

NHS close to breaking point.
Europe (which the public didn't vote for btw) are cosy a club for politicians which cost our country an absolute fortune to be a member of.
The `greens` also cost us an absolute fortune!

This country needs a radical change & it can only happen if folk want it to change.
If enough folk vote for UKIP they may win some seats, but if they don't it will at least send a clear message.
 
UKIP. The EU in/out and immigration policy is a deal breaker for me.

I'd never vote for a party that says "bairns not bombs" when it clearly needs to be the other way.

Tories are what I'd call "blu labour" and labour are "red Tories". None of them have the decisiveness of UKIP IMHO to sort out the bad direction this country IMHO is headed.
 
KIPAX said:
In reality and in the 40 yrs that I ahve been able to vote... I havent noticed any change to my life every time the goverment changes... thats why i don't bother :)
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I think because the changes are usually quite subtle over time it's perhaps not so noticeable but the biggest changes I've seen are:

  • Far longer wait times with the NHS, in particular in A&E (although still not too bad up here but it's getting worse)
  • Roads are much busier
  • Less ethnic assimilation
  • EU Interference

I would guess the main reason for the first two is the overpopulation of the UK, which is indirectly linked to our current and past Government(s). I'm not really sure about the last point though but I'm definitely seeing less areas with a mix of ethnic groups and more "bunching together" for want of a phrase. I'm not sure if the strength in numbers can be used still considering how much racial protection is available now in UK law.

But I remember when I was younger that people from different ethnic backgrounds had a Scottish accent, but you don't hear this so much anymore. I think all the various ethnic groups can bring all sorts of benefits, skills and variety but it's so critically important that they don't isolate themselves into groups otherwise it is inevitable that divide will come and then follows mistrust on all sides. At the end of the day people can only really draw upon their own experiences no matter what the media or anyone else tries to say to the contrary.

As for immigration, I don't care where you are from, what religion you practice or what colour your skin is but if you want to come into the UK you should either have a specialised skill which is in short supply or be able to demonstrate the means to support yourself financially for a good number of years. It's basic common sense.

As for refugees, I get the feeling this is an overused and abused excuse to come into the UK and start reaping the generous benefits. If escaping persecution you should be heading to the nearest safe country. If that safe country needs help then ask us and we will help. But don't all make a beeline for the UK because as much as we like to help others we are after all a small island with limited infrastructure, resources and space. We won't be able to help anyone if we break our own country.

But the EU is a big problem. It should only be a trade agreement, there's too much political interference by unelected, self-perpetuating, untrustworthy crooks. It's far too big a topic to start though but with these three you definitely can judge a book by its cover! Would you trust any of these guys? lol

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A new party finds it hard to change anything 4/5years as so much red tape from previous governments making it take years to change from when they administered years back.

I want to stop giving money to countries that we felt guilty for in the past and have their own Space program. If they can't look after their own ! Frack Em!

Increase military defence spending.

Nationalise utility companies. Profit should only be for reinvestment not to a private indigenous/ foreign company.

immigration limit to 1000 a month.

Death penalty to those who are classed as traitors.

Make Google, Banks, Vodafone pay all tax due. Governments seem scared to do anything in case they all pull out of the UK. So just let take the cash out in stead.
Nationalise the Railways.

Stay with Europe as a straight trade only...

Keep the pound

Free corsets and bus passes for under 5's

Bring pride back to this Country instead of others fleecing us dry.

Build more wind turbines and Power Lagoons. Make Britain less reliant on other Nations..... you never know what will happen in the future.

Save the Red Squirrel.

...And fix our bloody roads ruins my MG suspension.

Forgot to say... NHS is a wonderful thing.... sort the middle management out and get it working. Marvellous thing.
 
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How much money does an individual need to be classified as RICH ?

How little money does an individual need to be classified as POOR ?

What criteria is used to define POVERTY ?

I think everyone here will have a different answer to all 3 questions.
 
Until the world's population is addressed, it can only get worse.

We all know that raping our planet, deforestation, pumping chemicals into the atmosphere etc etc is not a good idea, but re the greens.
I used to think (maybe 10 years ago), that the Greens were the instigators of the man-made global warming myth & the politicians simply jumped on the bandwagon to gain votes, but I now wonder if it was the reverse & the Greens were duped & used by the politicians.
Windfarms :rolleyes: cash generators for the rich & now Fracking has become an issue, they must be cacking themselves.

Our Govt. are spending untold millions on `green` issues. I was reading about The Carbon Trust which was set up to help organisations reduce their carbon emissions & the Government to meet its carbon reduction targets.
Despite calling itself a private company, virtually all the Carbon Trust's funding comes from the Government! at a cost in excess of £100 million per year..... £12m of which, is for marketing alone!
 
Paul W. H said:
How much money does an individual need to be classified as RICH ?

How little money does an individual need to be classified as POOR ?

What criteria is used to define POVERTY ?

I think everyone here will have a different answer to all 3 questions.
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I think the term poverty is overused and abused, especially by the likes of Sturgeon. It's an insult to those in the world who really are in poverty.
 
Thing is UKIP would get my vote, but they don't seem to make sure their candidates are not idiots. They should be strict on who they have and once in say nothing in private or off mic and never ever voice you their private opinions .

Media wants them to slip up and will pounce on them.

Just need a party that is Pro on getting this Country back to the top. A party that does NOT have idiots with racist or bigot views. Politicians who believe in the people already here in this Country and those new to this Country to push forward as one.

And discipline in the Education services. not taking flack from idiot children disrupting others. Throw them out and enlist them as cannon fodder for the army. Return of National service, That would be good.
 
OldCarlos said:
Our Govt. are spending untold millions on `green` issues. I was reading about The Carbon Trust which was set up to help organisations reduce their carbon emissions & the Government to meet its carbon reduction targets.
Despite calling itself a private company, virtually all the Carbon Trust's funding comes from the Government! at a cost in excess of £100 million per year..... £12m of which, is for marketing alone!
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Carbon trust!! now that is a farce, especially if you live in the north of England.
I dont know where all those millions get spent but it is not with your typical UK business.
We have tried to make a claim on two occaisions over the past 6 yrs following advice from various government/green parties, it is not free you have to purchase the carbon trust grants folder at a cost of £500 a time
you then sit down and read it for what seems to be forever to try and find what grants or help is available in your area. then you find out there are none in the north of England and you have just waisted £500 on another door stop!
 
cowboy said:
People are sick of what they see as pandering to Europe, we have to let any Tom, Dick or Harry come and work in this country as long as they are in the European Union whether we need their skills or not.
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Conversely, I (or anyone else) can go to other European Union countries to work. Or is it just that British people refuse to learn foreign languages so can't work abroad?

Daryl said:
Free corsets and bus passes for under 5's
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Why would under fives need corsets? The mind boggles.
 
All politicians and parties are the same, say one thing, do the exact opposite once they have their feet under the table.

I don't agree with Tory policy, so wouldn't vote for them, Labour have become more Tory like as time has gone on and seem to have picked a wet blanket for their leader, Lib Dems (my usual vote) have been ripped apart by being in bed with the Tories (despite this I think they have softened some of the Tory parties harder policies), Greens seem to crumble under any reasonable question from well know news broadcasters and UKIP are a bunch of idiots who seem to be fighting an election on two issues & get too much media coverage when they have 2 seats won in a by election.

Hard to know who to vote for. I live in a Tory safe seat, so I doubt who I vote will make any difference.

People seem to have written off the Lib Dems, but I did read an interesting article the other day that says a lot of UKIP votes are being taken at expense of Conservative ones, which means the 2nd party of a constituency could benefit. In previous elections the Lib Dems have done well as the 2nd party so they could benefit here.

It'll be an interesting election!
 
Daryl said:
Mark, not a fan of Blackadder the greatest comedy ever then?
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our slogan will be 'a rotten candidate for a rotten borough'
 
for me socks are like sex, tonnes f it about, but never seem to get any
 
gman said:
Not forgetting the SNP for all our Scottish members. I'm glad that what I see as a rather sinister "Children's Bill" is now being challenged in court.

Then there is the SNP's obsession with scrapping Trident and making Scotland a non-nuclear equipped country. I can see the pros and cons to this but I do remember seeing an article which noted:

Latest country to give up its nuclear weapons = Ukraine
Latest country to be invaded by a nuclear equipped country = Ukraine
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comparing Ukraine to the UK is a bit much also we are part of NATO. the fact we are a member of nato means we don't have to spend 100bn on weapons that will never be used.
 
the EU actually gave more money to UK research institutions than any other country in 2013, i was told this by a bunch of stoney faced euro-penpushers after I made a quip about the europeans hating the british...

whichever way it goes, people wont be happy with the outcome of the election, personally i dont want to see the country bankrupt and in the same position as Greece, so im not made keen on financially illiterate people getting into power.
 
POAH said:
comparing Ukraine to the UK is a bit much also we are part of NATO. the fact we are a member of nato means we don't have to spend 100bn on weapons that will never be used.
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When it comes to the security and protecting your own people you can't rely on other nations. Ironically, you've also just explained why having nuclear weapons are so important and work.
 
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Matt said:
the EU actually gave more money to UK research institutions than any other country in 2013, i was told this by a bunch of stoney faced euro-penpushers after I made a quip about the europeans hating the british...
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Yeah but how much of that money did we give to the EU in the first place ? - I think i'm right in saying that we are a net contrubuter not a net recipient overall, though i CBA to use the verbotten search engine to check
 
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Yeah but how much of that money did we give to the EU in the first place ? - I think i'm right in saying that we are a net contrubuter not a net recipient overall, though i CBA to use the verbotten search engine to check
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It would be great to see a good, unbiased analysis of what we gain from the eu and what it costs us. My suspicion is that overall it's a benefit to the uk. But it would be good to see both the positive and negativedetailed
 
boyfalldown said:
It would be great to see a good, unbiased analysis of what we gain from the eu and what it costs us. My suspicion is that overall it's a benefit to the uk. But it would be good to see both the positive and negativedetailed
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the search engine of powah gives us this

http://ec.europa.eu/budget/figures/interactive/index_en.cfm

Straight from the horses mouth... its a big XL sheet which i really CBA to download and reproduce here... but all the info you are after ought to be in there somewhere
 
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