Reasons to vote UKIP

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ST4 said:
We need to be spending more on the military both nuclear and non nuclear to keep aggressors like this at bay.
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Or just abandon the Falkland Islands and give them back to their rightful owner. Much cheaper.


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big soft moose said:
Nope- they were asked for a super carrier and airwing but said no because they were too worried about the hispanic vote (with a full blown US carrier on our side the war would have been very short and one sided) and while we had the AIM9L we purchased those on the open arms market principally from diehl bgt defence who were building them under licence - so in essence they gave us jacks*** (not that they were required to as the NATO treaty doesnt apply in the south atlantic - the clue is in the name)
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We got the AIM-9L from the US, not the open market. they also provided a lot of infrastructure and fuel to ascension island. super carrier was a but strong but had one of our carriers got sunk they would have provided the landing ship iwo jima.
 
big soft moose said:
nope but they might attack us with conventional arms - they might also use chemical or biological weapons against british forces in theatres of war over seas as there'd be no deterent not to. And its not limited to other countries with nukes - any country could attack us or our interests over seas if theres no deterent not to do so
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i agree.. but they dont not do that in case we nuke them and wipe out there whole country ..... stop and have a think there fella :)
 
archangel said:
...... but what it does seem to be is a partythat want to prevent the influx of people who wish to come to this country as unskilled immigrants or those who wish to avail of our generous benefits system or NHS.......
.... it makes them a proactive party who wish to return this country into a nation that produce an economy envious of all others rather than making it a cash cow for the masses to freely come and go and bleed the NHS and the Benefits system....... ........
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Thats exactly what they were discussing on Jeremy Vine's lunch time show on R2.
... Interesting

Yv said:
bloody pink buses to get women to vote -
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When did that happen? or did you miss out "the"
:D

TBH I don't trust any of them, I want to see "None of the above" on voting papers ;)
 
h14nha said:
My thoughts on this election.


Labour - Virtually bankrupted us 5 years ago. Tony Bliar said "No more boom and bust" then watched house prices rise double in 18 months, way beyond the means of the common man. What use is the minimum wage when the average house prices are 14 times the minimum wage income.
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Did they bankrupt the rest of the world too. This LSE Report seemed to think that for the best part the Labours years in power were an economic success. BTW Boom and Bust was Browns slogan and I'm assuming the misspelt name for Blair wasn't a typo. Very droll, never heard that one before.

Cobra said:
Its better than just about all the rest of the crap that gets aired on the radio these days :p
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The Labour party are the Tory party of the 50/60s, before Maggie and Keith Joseph got their hands on it, the Tories are currently swinging so far right they'll probably never gain a majority again. Suits me. UKIP will not hold the balance of power come the next election, they'll be lucky to have any MP's although Nige might have a shout.
 
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jakeblu said:
The Labour party are the Tory party of the 50/60s, before Maggie and Keith Joseph got their hands on it, the Tories are currently swinging so far right they'll probably never gain a majority again. Suits me. UKIP will not hold the balance of power come the next election, they'll be lucky to have any MP's although Nige might have a shout.
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The discussion you quoted was about radio 2 not politics,
but you are right of course they all come under the heading "other crap" as well :D
 
Of course, anyone planning to make the (gargantuan) UKIP will not hold the balance of power come the next election, they'll be lucky to have any MP's although Nige might have a shout.[/QUOTE]

They might get a few (small few), but they'll still be "the token black kid" in Westminster.
 
viv1969 said:
Of course, anyone planning to make the (gargantuan) UKIP will not hold the balance of power come the next election, they'll be lucky to have any MP's although Nige might have a shout.
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This is why we need our voting system based on proportional representation......e.g. The greens got 1 seat last election.....if the voting system had been changed they would have had 20 seats......it is used in Northern Ireland and had given the smaller minority parties a voice at government levels
 
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ST4 said:
They'll do well. Hopefully.
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I was having this discussion with someone the other day,
and the point he put across was that it was like the Scottish independent vote,
the "Loud" Yes's were adamant they had it, the "silent" No's knew they had won.
But kept their head down for fear of reprisal's.


We'll find out either way, in May, for sure.
 
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And of course if they happened to do well, which is about as likely as Katie Price becoming Pope, they'll turn out to be just the same lying sons of bitches as all other politicians.
 
Steve Smith said:
Or just abandon the Falkland Islands and give them back to their rightful owner. Much cheaper.


Steve.
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A very good friend of mine was, as an 18 year old rating, on a ship that got torpedoed in the Falklands and he saw many deaths on both sides. He served over 31 years in the Navy to protect our country in various confrontational situations all over the world. I know what he'd do if you quoted such a glib and crass comment in front of him. It would not be pleasant.
 
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BRASH said:
A very good friend of mine was, as an 18 year old rating, on a ship that got torpedoed in the Falklands and he saw many deaths on both sides. He served over 31 years in the Navy to protect our country in various confrontational situations all over the world. I know what he'd do if you quoted such a glib and crass comment in front of him. It would not be pleasant.
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The only ship that was torpedoed in 1982 was the General Belgrano which was sunk by HMS Conquerer.
 
Byker28i said:
Only 3 islanders voted against the Falklands staying British
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21750909
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and at least one of the no votes was actually because he/she wanted complete independence, not Argentine rule.

Was he aware of anybody actually calling for a no? "I did speak to one person and they were saying they were going to vote no," he says, "more for a reason of independence." This is exciting news. Could he ask that person if they would talk to me about it? He could, but he isn't optimistic. "I'm pretty sure that they won't broadcast it," he says. And yes, moments later Short calls back to confirm that the person did indeed vote no, but will not talk – not even anonymously. "Down here it would destroy their reputation," he says
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk/shortcuts/2013/mar/12/falkland-islanders-who-voted-no
 
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BRASH said:
A very good friend of mine was, as an 18 year old rating, on a ship that got torpedoed in the Falklands and he saw many deaths on both sides. He served over 31 years in the Navy to protect our country in various confrontational situations all over the world. I know what he'd do if you quoted such a glib and crass comment in front of him. It would not be pleasant.
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No UK ships were torpedoed in the Falklands war though :thinking:

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The Argentinian Navy actually had a Type 42 Destroyer the same as HMS Sheffield / Coventry. They managed to sink it themselves in port by inadvertently opening a sea valve in one of the machinery spaces. Talk about an own goal !

The only submarine the Argentinians had in the area capable of firing a torpedo was the Santa Fe which was put out of action by an AS12 missile early on in the conflict.
 
Keith W said:
No UK ships were torpedoed in the Falklands war though :thinking:

EDIT: Nick is ahead of me
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Right, I've just texted him to find out. I got it into my head his ship was torpedoed but that's maybe just my recollection of the account he gave. It was certainly hit by some type of Argie fire. I'll get back when he replies.

Regardless, I detest comments disrespecting our forces who have put their lives on the line for our Sovereignty.
 
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Plenty of UK ships sustained damage from Argentine fire.....even if not torpedoed.
 
POAH said:
Russia are not going to attack the UK with nuclear or conventional weapons, North Korea don't have nukes or a method of delivery to the UK and Iran has nothing either. There is nothing to deter. What about all the other countries that don't have nukes? Japan doesn't have them neither does Belgium, Germany, Italy, Turkey, Greece, Canada, etc etc The only two NATO member states with nukes is the US and the UK.
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Neither does Ukraine, it used to but got rid as there was no longer a threat....
 
He was on the HMS Glasgow. Hit by a 500lb bomb, which passed through the hull. He was on a gun placement on the deck and watched it come down. Fair to say he shat himself but still stayed in the Navy for another quarter of a century. Damn hero if you ask me, him and all our boys involved.
 
BRASH said:
Right, I've just texted him to find out. I got it into my head his ship was torpedoed but that's maybe just my recollection of the account he gave. It was certainly hit by some type of Argie fire. I'll get back when he replies.

Regardless, I detest comments disrespecting our forces who have put their lives on the line for our Sovereignty.
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I am with you on that my friend
 
BRASH said:
He was on the HMS Glasgow. Hit by a 500lb bomb, which passed through the hull. He was on a gun placement on the deck and watched it come down. Fair to say he shat himself but still stayed in the Navy for another quarter of a century. Damn hero if you ask me, him and all our boys involved.
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He had a very lucky escape, they could have totally destroyed the ship and there would have been even more deaths. It was lucky nobody was killed on that occasion. The bombs failed to detonate because the fuses were incorrectly set.

Sadly so many Falklands Veterans didn't stay on in the Royal Navy and Merchant Navy too, many went on to develop PTSD and quite a few committed suicide. For some people the war continues every day.
 
Blank_Canvas said:
He had a very lucky escape, they could have totally destroyed the ship and there would have been even more deaths. It was lucky nobody was killed on that occasion. The bombs failed to detonate because the fuses were incorrectly set.

Sadly so many Falklands Veterans didn't stay on in the Royal Navy and Merchant Navy too, many went on to develop PTSD and quite a few committed suicide. For some people the war continues every day.
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My mate does suffer PTSD. So it really angers me when I read folk being disrespectful to what these folk have done. Not only for the Falklands but NI, Middle East as well as more historic campaigns as well.
 
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BRASH said:
Right, I've just texted him to find out. I got it into my head his ship was torpedoed but that's maybe just my recollection of the account he gave. It was certainly hit by some type of Argie fire. I'll get back when he replies.

Regardless, I detest comments disrespecting our forces who have put their lives on the line for our Sovereignty.
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I've plenty of respect for our armed forces and the role they play throughout the world to protect our interest and my son did two tours of Afghanistan but I still believe the Falklands should be an independent state, those who wish to remain British are welcome to come and live here.
 
jakeblu said:
I've plenty of respect for our armed forces and the role they play throughout the world to protect our interest and my son did two tours of Afghanistan but I still believe the Falklands should be an independent state, those who wish to remain British are welcome to come and live here.
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Get a grip. They want to live there and will continue to because it is their sovereign right to do so and long may that last. Shudder the thought we should ever roll over to the likes of Argentina.
 
jakeblu said:
I still believe the Falklands should be an independent state, those who wish to remain British are welcome to come and live here.
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That makes no sense, the islanders are allowed the principle of self determination, they don't currently want to be independent and are entitled to remain British if they wish, just like the Scots last year.

When they hold a referendum and vote for independence they should be allowed to do so, but why should they be expected to give up their homes for the sake of a failed and corrupt state (with less of a legal right to the islands than the UK) to seize their land?
 
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