New 5D MK3 revealed

grotty said:
Excellent; defrauding insurance companies and HM revenue and customs on just one page.
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Because they are both so squeaky clean? ;)

Perhaps when they can justify the ridiculous levels of duty on fuel, justify the ridiculous costs involved with back-to-back illegal wars (at a basic level, did either of the countries attack us first?), justify writing off ridiculous amounts of tax for large firms in return for generous treatment (illegal) yet crushing small businesses without a second thought, justify all the illegal activities they perform from false expenses to perverting the course of justice....

.......perhaps, just perhaps.....when we aren't getting pumped 24/7 during life and even after death.....maybe just then people will be more forthcoming with their declarations.

Until then, we'll just go on believing that everyone here is 100% honest.

Sorry, ever so slightly off-topic but not exactly the end of the world though.



Back to the 5D MkIII......

It's too expensive for what it is in my view, it's almost like it's too little too late for me. Although, I've seen some stunning sample images and it does seem to handle noise exceptionally well :)
 
redhed17 said:
SD cards are not a robust format. I've had a very worn one (not mine) disintegrate in my fingers. I can't even flex a CF card, and after easily breaking one, I wouldn't try to flex a SD card.

SD cards may be ubiquitous, but they are not a Pro format. And before some smart a*se says that they use SD cards and they sell sooo many images, it is not Pro format because of the manufactured strength and the comparatively slow speed when compared with CF and XQD. OMHO of course. ;)
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In your opinion, maybe.

I use the SD card from my 1DIV several times a day in press work and it's been perfectly fine.

Why? Because the ingest speed using the laptops built in card reader is infinitely faster than USB2 and still knocks USB3. In my line of work time is everything.

It's one of the main reasons why I prefer the idea of this camera to the 1Dx!
 
gman said:
Because they are both so squeaky clean? ;)

Perhaps when they can justify the ridiculous levels of duty on fuel, justify the ridiculous costs involved with back-to-back illegal wars (at a basic level, did either of the countries attack us first?), justify writing off ridiculous amounts of tax for large firms in return for generous treatment (illegal) yet crushing small businesses without a second thought, justify all the illegal activities they perform from false expenses to perverting the course of justice....

.......perhaps, just perhaps.....when we aren't getting pumped 24/7 during life and even after death.....maybe just then people will be more forthcoming with their declarations.

Until then, we'll just go on believing that everyone here is 100% honest.
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Oh dear. It's still dishonest and illegal and you may well, arguably justifiably, berate government and agencies for being so too. But surely if you do then tax dodgers and insurance fraudsters deserve at least some contempt?
 
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EspressoJunkie said:
Plus if anyone did want to bring one back from the states, surely if they put it in a camera back with a lens on it no-one would know. Unless there happened to be a customs worker who was also a photographer!
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Yea this is what I'm wondering. How would they know? When I go states this year and if I do get a mk3 that's going to get used mate and will be in my carry on backpack
 
jonneymendoza said:
Yea this is what I'm wondering. How would they know? When I go states this year and if I do get a mk3 that's going to get used mate and will be in my carry on backpack
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So where are you going to get it repaired if it breaks down within warranty?
 
From a hobbyist's point of view i can totally understand this camera is WAY too expensive.

£500 for a body - Yes please
£1,000 body - you've twisted my arm
£1,500 - Just about stomach.

£3,000 is a big fat no no. There are LOADS more things one can do with the money unless you have loads of money doing nothing. You can buy a decent run around for that. Or refurb the kitchen, new TV with Surround Sound Hifi.

Or a single SLR body with no lens.

However, from a wedding photographer's point of view, this camera's spec list reads like everything one would give his left arm for !!!

The AF is 5Dii's biggest grump and it has been addressed. Not just addressed but surpassed all expectation tbh. I would guess most would be happy to see a 7D's AF system put in there, they only gone and plugged the one from the new 1Dx's AF system into it! When the moment comes that you either get the shot or don't. This is most welcome and it is worth the extra. It is why a lot of people went for the 1D series, because of it's AF system.

Dual memory card slots - when shooting for a client it is all about back up, back up and back up.

Faster digic processor - one of 5Dii's short coming is the buffer, it fills up way too fast. This hopefully will help that. Also glad the pixel count didn't go up silly amount as that would counter this speed bump.

Faster FPS from 4 to 6. Not completely necessary but helpful.

2 stops better (allegedly)

New lock on the dial, rearrangements of the buttons, remove the print button.

Down side, no removable focus screen, this is due to the implementation of the new AF system so it had to be done but i've read a lot of people that this is one thing Canon should have kept.

In short, the 5Diii will be good for business so it's not too expensive for that purpose.
 
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DemiLion said:
So where are you going to get it repaired if it breaks down within warranty?
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Either send it back to the country of origin...UPS insured for this will not be cheap.

Or suck it up and pay parts and labour like an out of warranty body in this country.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Either send it back to the country of origin...UPS insured for this will not be cheap.

Or suck it up and pay parts and labour like an out of warranty body in this country.
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Exactly - apart from the fact that some idiot will start a post bleating about how 'Canon won't honour my warranty the b*(^%*ds' .
 
grotty said:
Oh dear. It's still dishonest and illegal and you may well, arguably justifiably, berate government and agencies for being so too. But surely if you do then tax dodgers and insurance fraudsters deserve the same contempt?
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It's not so much about the actual act but more about the scale; I agree that dishonesty is rarely something that should be condoned, but for me there's a big difference between someone not declaring the majority of their income in order to avoid tax and someone who on a very rare occasion does not declare bringing a camera (for personal use) into the country. People go over the top with their alleged honesty and paranoria on here and they are either seriously detached from reality or are just full of it.

This is whole different debate and not appropriate in this thread as it will just take things off-topic big time so I reckon it's best we get back on track :)
 
Personally I'd pay that in between difference to Kerso and get a warranty in the UK.
 
I wouldn't risk it until some time had passed and any teething problems had been sorted. Whilst my classic 5D hasn't had a single problem, I do feel that there is some growing trend of new cameras having problems which need firmware updates or recalls etc.

Speaking of warranties, I think in this day and age with such advanced manufacturing technologies we should really be getting longer warranties as to me it speaks volumes about the quality of a product - after all, were the manufacturer confident about their product's reliability then surely there'd be less risk with offering a longer warranty?....
 
gman said:
I wouldn't risk it until some time had passed and any teething problems had been sorted. Whilst my classic 5D hasn't had a single problem, I do feel that there is some growing trend of new cameras having problems which need firmware updates or recalls etc.

Speaking of warranties, I think in this day and age with such advanced manufacturing technologies we should really be getting longer warranties as to me it speaks volumes about the quality of a product - after all, were the manufacturer confident about their product's reliability then surely there'd be less risk with offering a longer warranty?....
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For something like £3,000...I'll be filing a Claim Form in my local county court for £30 if Canon doesn't fix it for free for the first 3 years! legally we have 6 years but it is all being reasonable. The warranty is not above law.

i.e. It is not unreasonable to expect a £2,000 plasma TV to last more than 12 months. Say it does on the 13th month.

It is however hard push the same argument for a £5.99 toaster from Tesco.

Even so, you would still have had to purchase the product in the UK for that law suit to be valid.
 
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I'll start thinking about a pair of these nearer the end of the year.....I'm totally sold on the specs, so if the hands-on reviews aren't horiffic, then I'm in!!

Only thing stopping me buying them straight away, is that price tag.....makes my eyes water!!! :'(
 
Slimbert said:
I'll start thinking about a pair of these nearer the end of the year.....I'm totally sold on the specs, so if the hands-on reviews aren't horiffic, then I'm in!!

Only thing stopping me buying them straight away, is that price tag.....makes my eyes water!!! :'(
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Hands on review here.

http://blog.jeffascough.com/photographers/2012/03/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-review.html

Autofocus was/is probably the number one issue with the old 5D series. The AF used in the 5D and 5D Mark II is a little old in terms of technology, but that has been addressed in the 5D Mark III. Using the camera in all sorts of lighting conditions, l can honestly say that it is on a completely different planet to the 5D Mark II and I’m using a pre-production model. In a word it is awesome. There are various AF modes you can use and you can fine tune the AI-Servo modes to suit your subject. However I was only interested in single point focus in one shot mode because that is how I shoot. To be honest - I couldn’t make it miss. Low light, backlight, low contrast - it made no odds. It didn’t matter what lens was on the camera either as they all worked, and nearly all of my lenses are calibrated to other camera bodies.
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I have have money but not a pro so why upgrade.can you honestly tell me why I should upgrade there are other cameras so close and cheaper.
this is more directed to the pro photagrapher tham joe public o well I think ill get a 7d as back up or a aplha 77 both alot cheaper
 
Hmm.

No twist and turn fold out LCD. (Which is REALLY useful when videoing and tracking, or for getting a different angle with stills. Especially handy with my bad back)!
No touch screen LCD (But it has a TOUCH BUTTON, oh wow, touching a button, thats novel Canon).
No powered zooms. (Powered ALWAYS smoother and repeatable compared to manual).
All the extra focus points and better operations only work with f4 or bigger. (Doesn't affect me as I've got lots of "L's", but lots of folk don't).


I've just checked the new price of a Lumix GH2. Suddenly seems very affordable compared to this. Thanks Canon.
 
Stumpy said:
Hmm.

No twist and turn fold out LCD. (Which is REALLY useful when videoing and tracking, or for getting a different angle with stills. Especially handy with my bad back)!
No touch screen LCD (But it has a TOUCH BUTTON, oh wow, touching a button, thats novel Canon).
No powered zooms. (Powered ALWAYS smoother and repeatable compared to manual).
All the extra focus points and better operations only work with f4 or bigger. (Doesn't affect me as I've got lots of "L's", but lots of folk don't).


I've just checked the new price of a Lumix GH2. Suddenly seems very affordable compared to this. Thanks Canon.
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The things you want are found in £200 cameras...I had to double check whether I clicked on the right thread!

This camera is aimed at professionals.

Fold out LCD is asking for trouble and all that moving parts = wear and tear.
Touch screen LCD is asking for trouble when you want to do something in a hurry and introduce error. Without looking by touch I could, if I wanted to, change the focus points on my 5D without looking across it's field by touch.
Power zooms....what?! How is that good? it is slow, it takes power and it is something else to break.

As for focus points only work with wider than F/4....it is a pro body, if you can afford a £3,000 body you are unlikely only have a kit lens.

You are just trolling really, Lumix! its not even in the same ball park.
 
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Stumpy said:
Hmm.

No twist and turn fold out LCD. (Which is REALLY useful when videoing and tracking, or for getting a different angle with stills. Especially handy with my bad back)!
No touch screen LCD (But it has a TOUCH BUTTON, oh wow, touching a button, thats novel Canon).
No powered zooms. (Powered ALWAYS smoother and repeatable compared to manual).
All the extra focus points and better operations only work with f4 or bigger. (Doesn't affect me as I've got lots of "L's", but lots of folk don't).


I've just checked the new price of a Lumix GH2. Suddenly seems very affordable compared to this. Thanks Canon.
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That has to be a wind-up.....or you're drunk and out for a bit of late night trolling!! :cuckoo:
 
joescrivens said:
nope, afterall its his camera and he's going back to canada .... right? :naughty::naughty::naughty:
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The first rule of committing a crime is to make sure you don't go around advertising what you're planning to do to all and sundry on an internet forum, especially when your user name is your real name.

A 4 year old could trace the trail you leave :lol:
 
gman said:
someone who on a very rare occasion does not declare bringing a camera (for personal use) into the country.
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I don't want to keep this thread off topic, but what difference does it make whether the hypothetical camera which has been brought into the country illegally was 'for personal use'? :shrug:


Back on topic, I'm very surprised how little attention the announcement about this camera is getting. I thought it was the one a a lot of Canon users were waiting for. Maybe all the 5DI/II owners are happy with what they have got and a busy taking pics. :shrug:
 
Slimbert said:
Interesting, though I'm sure there's a fair bit of bias going on there.....what I'm really interested in is the side by side tests with the D800 by dpreview etc.....not long to wait if both models are out in a few weeks time!! :D
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Whilst I agree that there would be an element of bias, as he is a sponsored by Canon, what Dpreview or other websites like that put me off is they are basically pixel peeping and not real world usage. Whilst I appreciate how they are trying to make it as objective as possible. Dpreview shoots colour charts, still subjects, I rather get an opinion from someone who sees it more than a lab object.

I'm not concerned how it performs against the D800, up until today i have not even seen it's spec sheet or its listed price.

Why?

It does not concern me. I have invested WAY too much in Canon gear to switch over now. Sad as it is, I am stuck. Canon would have had to stick with the existing 5D AF system to make me switch. Lucky for me they didn't lol

And unless you are one of those people who don't have any or much existing gear in either system and can choose, yes, then I agree it is useful to see a side by side comparison. Otherwise it would be an interesting reading at most, pointless exercise to be truthful.
 
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The focus should have been bettered with the Mk2, but then that might have affected the sales of 1 series.
The points I've raised would only have bought Canon level with the competition. The lack of them means they are still lagging behind.
And if there all available in £200 cameras, why not a £3k one? These facilities are just as useful regardless of the cameras cost. But perhaps they would affect the perceived "Professional" value or the "Male jewelry" aspect?
(Just MHO).

(There again the cynic in me might say their just leaving something for the "New improved Mk4"!).

Like I said, makes the GH2 look inexpensive. Role on the reduced 2nd hand prices of Mk2's.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Whilst I agree that there would be an element of bias, as he is a sponsored by Canon, what Dpreview or other websites like that put me off is they are basically pixel peeping and not real world usage. Whilst I appreciate how they are trying to make it as objective as possible. Dpreview shoots colour charts, still subjects, I rather get an opinion from someone who sees it more than a lab object.
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I want both.....:D

The real world usage side of things will come from the users on this forum, in time.....but the pixel peeping techy-lab stuff will come from dpreview (and others).
 
Because the features you are talking about are a gimmick that adds no advantage to a working professional and most of the stuff you listed gets in the way of taking a shot.

p.s. Lumix GH2 is not a competition ! LOL
 
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Stumpy said:
The focus should have been bettered with the Mk2, but then that might have affected the sales of 1 series.
The points I've raised would only have bought Canon level with the competition. The lack of them means they are still lagging behind.
And if there all available in £200 cameras, why not a £3k one? These facilities are just as useful regardless of the cameras cost. But perhaps they would affect the perceived "Professional" value or the "Male jewelry" aspect?
(Just MHO).

(There again the cynic in me might say their just leaving something for the "New improved Mk4"!).

Like I said, makes the GH2 look inexpensive. Role on the reduced 2nd hand prices of Mk2's.
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I'm not really sure what your point is. Canon's competition is with Nikon, not with tiny micro 4/3rds cameras! Pros demand hard wearing, weather sealed kit. Any camera with a fold out screen will struggle to meet that demand. As for a touch screen, I'm no pro, but have absolutely no desire for one whatsoever! Next you'll be complaining about the camera's lack of face recognition and easily accessible scene modes :lol:
 
Raymond Lin said:
Because the features you are talking about are a gimmick that adds no advantage to a working professional and most of the stuff you listed gets in the way of taking a shot.

p.s. Lumix GH2 is not a competition ! LOL
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Don't feed the troll :nono: He will go back to bed eventually.
 
Raymond Lin said:
And unless you are one of those people who don't have any or much existing gear in either system and can choose, yes, then I agree it is useful to see a side by side comparison. Otherwise it would be an interesting reading at most, pointless exercise to be truthful.
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I can't pretend to have the deposit for a house in my camera bag, but it's not far off 5 figures either.....it'd cost me a fair bit to switch, but if I thought it was worth it, I'd still do it!!

I pondered moving over purely for the D700 for such a long time, but decided not to because I knew the mk3 was just around the corner.....6 months later and it's finally here, and I'm glad I held out!! The D800 looks tempting, but those mk3 specs are perfect in my eyes.....they've got it bang on!!
 
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Slimbert said:
I can't pretend to have the deposit for a house in my camera bag, but it's not far off 5 figures either.....it'd cost me a fair bit to switch, but if I thought it was worth it, I'd still do it!!

I pondered moving over purely for the D700 for such a long time, but decided not to because I knew the mk3 was just around the corner.....6 months later and it's finally here, and I'm glad I held out!! The D800 looks tempting, but those mk3 specs are perfect in my eyes.....they've got it bang on!!
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I had a similar dilemma once upon a time.

3-4 years ago I did the math, to switch over 30D to 5Dii/D700 would only cost me hundreds of pounds...I stuck with Canon.

I practically sold ALL my gear, all the lenses with the exception of:-

EOS30 Film SLR
30D
550EX Speedlite
IR remote

That was it. I had no lenses for a while. The D700 came out first at the time and I wanted it, really did, almost made the switch. Then the 5Dii came out and I practically did! What stopped me was I knew and still thinks that Canon has the best lens line up.

Body comes and goes, lenses are "forever".

Canon seems to have this gen's body won, in my opinion. Next time it might be Nikon. Who knows? What I know is that I like the lenses I got and will use whatever body to go with that.

At least it seems my 3 year wait has been worth it!
 
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Looking at some of the high ISO examples and an example of recovering detail from shadows on CR, I'm beginning to think the IQ of this cam could be really quite special.
 
grotty said:
He wouldn't be bringing his own camera though would he, it's purchased outside the UK for delivery into the UK so liable to duty.
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You fail to see the humour in my post :(
 
Stumpy said:
Hmm.

No twist and turn fold out LCD. (Which is REALLY useful when videoing and tracking, or for getting a different angle with stills. Especially handy with my bad back)!
No touch screen LCD (But it has a TOUCH BUTTON, oh wow, touching a button, thats novel Canon).
No powered zooms. (Powered ALWAYS smoother and repeatable compared to manual).
All the extra focus points and better operations only work with f4 or bigger. (Doesn't affect me as I've got lots of "L's", but lots of folk don't).

I've just checked the new price of a Lumix GH2. Suddenly seems very affordable compared to this. Thanks Canon.
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Erm all focus points work at f5.6, there are 40 + type focus points and 6 highly accurate x type points for lenses f2.8 and faster.
 
POAH said:
Erm all focus points work at f5.6, there are 40 + type focus points and 6 highly accurate x type points for lenses f2.8 and faster.
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Yeah, but no powered zoom, or flip out lcd :thumbsdown:

In fact no lens at all, what are Canon playing at? :suspect:
 
Flash In The Pan said:
The first rule of committing a crime is to make sure you don't go around advertising what you're planning to do to all and sundry on an internet forum, especially when your user name is your real name.

A 4 year old could trace the trail you leave :lol:
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Oh no! The customs people will be onto me any minute! I'm sure they spend every Saturday morning reading this forum!

:lol:
 
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