Bloke Down The Road Selling Company Diesel - What To Do?

Veracocha said:
So finally, in all this soul searching you come out and say it's ok for him to Rob as long as it's not in your cul-de sac? This is where I bow out as your approach from start to finish is inconsistent. Not wishing to be rude and it was not my intention to offend anyone but your latest statement just says it all.
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Didn't read like that to me. It read as a sarcastic statement. :shrug:

IE, it's his own fault he got caught....not stitched up :)
 
But he didn't 'get caught' - his neighbour grassed him up...
 
Neither here nor there. He meant that if he doesn't want to be caught he shouldn't be so blatant about it.
 
I think you're all spineless creeps - if anyone had a problem with what he was doing they should have spoken to him first to ascertain if what he was doing was in fact illegal before going any further...

As to some of the responses here, my earlier comment about being Stasi stooges stands, i think you're despicable...
 
Arkady said:
they should have spoken to him first to ascertain if what he was doing was in fact illegal before going any further...
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Didnt need to ascertain - his wife had already blabbed about his wrong doings.
 
Arkady said:
I think you're all spineless creeps - if anyone had a problem with what he was doing they should have spoken to him first to ascertain if what he was doing was in fact illegal before going any further...

As to some of the responses here, my earlier comment about being Stasi stooges stands, i think you're despicable...
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hear hear !!!
 
Less of the insults please.

As for 'soeaking to him first'. What? What would he say?

"Excuse me there good chap, is this actually legal? I just want to check before I report you"
"Oh darn it, consider me busted. I'll just go and make tea for when those nice policemen arrive"

:lol:
 
Marcel said:
Didn't read like that to me. It read as a sarcastic statement. :shrug:

IE, it's his own fault he got caught....not stitched up :)
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Exactly :thumbs:
 
when asked, the response most likely would be "whats it to you??"

talking to him isnt going to get you anywhere, and who knows what he is actually capable of?

just let the police/employer etc sort it. i would be happy if someone phoned me to tell me an employee was doing something like this.

i am surprised that the employer hasnt cottoned on in truth, surely an extra couple of hundred of quids worth of diesel going missing every month would raise a few questions, unless it goes higher in the company than first thought????
 
I say bring Voyager in on this, for his opinion :lol::lol::lol:
 
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Arkady said:
...at which point you thank him politely and MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS...
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Yes, stick your head in the sand and let criminals get away with doing whatever they like.

:cuckoo:
 
Arkady said:
...at which point you thank him politely and MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS...
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so, to take this a little further, 10 blokes down an alley kicking someone on the ground. since GBH/murder/manslaughter are illegal, do you go ask what they are doing, phone the police or walk on by?


this is the problem with the country, too many people will happily let people break the laws, abuse benefit systems and turn a blind eye, yet most of these people also complain they pay too much in taxes, and are fed up of people sponging off them. it isnt your responsibility to confront a perpetrator, it is your responsibility to report it, that is why the anon caller things have been set up.
 
fletch5 said:
so, to take this a little further, 10 blokes down an alley kicking someone on the ground. since GBH/murder/manslaughter are illegal, do you go ask what they are doing, phone the police or walk on by?


this is the problem with the country, too many people will happily let people break the laws, abuse benefit systems and turn a blind eye, yet most of these people also complain they pay too much in taxes, and are fed up of people sponging off them. it isnt your responsibility to confront a perpetrator, it is your responsibility to report it, that is why the anon caller things have been set up.
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But we're not talking about aggravated assault or attempted murder are we? - use your brain...this is a fatuous argument if ever there was one...
It's a case of petty pilfering... you Holier-Than-Thou attitude is giving me indigestion...
 
so you are ok with theft and dont see it as a crime??

i somehow dont believe someone pinching a tenner out of your friends wallet would be allowed to without you intervening
 
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Arkady said:
But we're not talking about aggravated assault or attempted murder are we? - use your brain...this is a fatuous argument if ever there was one...
It's a case of petty pilfering... you Holier-Than-Thou attitude is giving me indigestion...
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Sorry Arkady but I think you're wrong here.

Petty pilfering is straightforward theft. No grey areas, no degrees of guilt - THEFT.

How can an attitude of wishing to see wrongdoers stopped be 'holier than thou'?

In the immortal words of the Not the Nine O'clock News sketch

"He's a villain. A jailbird."
 
Arkady said:
But we're not talking about aggravated assault or attempted murder are we? - use your brain...this is a fatuous argument if ever there was one...
It's a case of petty pilfering... you Holier-Than-Thou attitude is giving me indigestion...
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I'm bemused that you find it spineless to do something about it but not spineless to sit at home and ignore it. :shrug:

Would you mind clarifying just how severe an offense needs to be to cross your threshold of action? Where do you draw the line?

What could someone do to you or your property without fear of reprisal? I don't for a minute intend to do anything, this is not a threat, I'm just trying to understand your logic. :thinking:
 
Arkady said:
But we're not talking about aggravated assault or attempted murder are we? - use your brain...this is a fatuous argument if ever there was one...
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So you clearly have levels of justification for reporting a crime to the authorities.
Why is the level you have set for yourself the ONLY acceptable level for everyone else?

Arkady said:
It's a case of petty pilfering... you Holier-Than-Thou attitude is giving me indigestion...
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As we're talking ailments, your aggressive display of a selfish 'doesnt affect me directly, i dont care' attitude is making my bum itch :D
 
Marcel said:
As we're talking ailments, your aggressive display of a selfish 'doesnt affect me directly, i dont care' attitude is making my bum itch :D
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That made me lol :D Give me a grid reference and ill scratch it for ya ;)
 
Despite my previous post to the contrary I feel the urge to re-enter the debate. It's the levels of justification mentioned by Marcel that intrigues me.

Where do you 'draw the line' as asked by it's alive? There's plenty of references to severe crimes but what about the less severe?

Example, you are on a TP meet and happen to be giving Snoop69 a lift to/from the meet. Sometime later a police officer gets in touch and says that you were witnessed speeding (by whatever amount) and your passenger suspects that you were therfore acting illegally. Are you going to congratulate Snoop69 for being an upstanding member of the community, will you applaud him carrying out his responsibility as a model citizen or will there be a desire to exact revenge? Be honest.

Yes it's easy to act tough on the internet and it's too easy to recommend a course of action that has no bearing on the proposer. I have consistently suggested that Snoop considers the welfare of his own against the severity of the crime and on this one it just doesn't merit further action. Had someone been kicked/knifed/battered/raped then the recommendation might be different.
 
Veracocha said:
Example, you are on a TP meet and happen to be giving Snoop69 a lift to/from the meet. Sometime later a police officer gets in touch and says that you were witnessed speeding (by whatever amount) and your passenger suspects that you were therfore acting illegally. Are you going to congratulate Snoop69 for being an upstanding member of the community, will you applaud him carrying out his responsibility as a model citizen or will there be a desire to exact revenge? Be honest.
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In such a case I would expect the passenger to indicate their discomfort at the time, not that I would have actually been speeding. It's a little academic as it isn't possible to prosecute a speeding offense using passenger testimony (parallax error and all that I suspect), though I understand the point you make.

The concern I have through all of this is the fear of reprisal. This appears to be what motivates your reluctance to intervene in this case. I understand that I think, but disagree. In this case there is a real opportunity to act anonymously. This is not, as some would have it "spineless", it's prudent. It protects your own whilst also doing what is right.

This has been an interesting and absorbing debate. I have to say that I'm a little disappointed that generally folk would prefer to see wrong done than take action to stop it.

I wonder if those same people are disappointed when they hear of violence and crime on the news? Are they also among the people bemoaning the state of society today?

For the record, as this is the internet, these are general points and not addressed at anyone in particular. Snoop took what action he chose to take some time ago so the original point is done.
 
Veracocha said:
Despite my previous post to the contrary I feel the urge to re-enter the debate. It's the levels of justification mentioned by Marcel that intrigues me.

Where do you 'draw the line' as asked by it's alive? There's plenty of references to severe crimes but what about the less severe?

Example, you are on a TP meet and happen to be giving Snoop69 a lift to/from the meet. Sometime later a police officer gets in touch and says that you were witnessed speeding (by whatever amount) and your passenger suspects that you were therfore acting illegally. Are you going to congratulate Snoop69 for being an upstanding member of the community, will you applaud him carrying out his responsibility as a model citizen or will there be a desire to exact revenge? Be honest.

Yes it's easy to act tough on the internet and it's too easy to recommend a course of action that has no bearing on the proposer. I have consistently suggested that Snoop considers the welfare of his own against the severity of the crime and on this one it just doesn't merit further action. Had someone been kicked/knifed/battered/raped then the recommendation might be different.
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Theft is a criminal offence and to be complete, there is a requirement for the 'intent' to commit the offence. Difficult to argue that he was doing it accidentally.

The speeding in your example is inadvertent and evidence is inadmissable.
 
Boynielaad said:
Theft is a criminal offence and to be complete, there is a requirement for the 'intent' to commit the offence. Difficult to argue that he was doing it accidentally.

The speeding in your example is inadvertent and evidence is inadmissable.
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You miss my point, it's not whether or not any offence was committed, it's the fact that he felt the need to inform on you and how you would feel.
 
It's not about what he should be feeling....it's about what you feel.
If you feel guilty or hard done by, go to his employer...they should have enough leads ( ie expenses, mileage) to sus this out.

If not, admire the guy for milking the system. (excuse the pun).
 
ekso said:
It's not about what he should be feeling....it's about what you feel.
If you feel guilty or hard done by, go to his employer...they should have enough leads ( ie expenses, mileage) to sus this out.

If not, admire the guy for milking the system. (excuse the pun).
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Are you confusing me with the original poster? I am asking him if it's all worth the hassle.
 
Veracocha said:
Are you confusing me with the original poster? I am asking him if it's all worth the hassle.
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Why bother, as far as I can tell he's already contacted the authorities. I suspect there's been more hassle in this thread than he'll experience through the act itself.
 
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