Bloke Down The Road Selling Company Diesel - What To Do?

KIPAX said:
I would rather live next door to a guy nicking stuff from work than the guy who spends his time grassing on his neighbours..
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Unlike you I would rather live next to a guy who has a well adjusted sense of what is right and what is wrong.
 
KIPAX said:
I would rather live next door to a guy nicking stuff from work than the guy who spends his time grassing on his neighbours..
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If that was directed at me then i must say that i dont spend my time grassing
on neighbours.

According to my neighbour, this has been going on for a couple of years at
least.

If he did his pumping & selling down the road hidden from all then i wouldnt be aware of it happening
but he chooses to do it in the street anytime of the day.

Also, we are not talking a couple of quid here & there for his own personal
use (not that its any different) but we are talking a few hundred pounds a
month.
 
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RichardtheSane said:
Unlike you I would rather live next to a guy who has a well adjusted sense of what is right and what is wrong.
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Its only your opinion of whats well adjusted BTW :) and god forbid you park your car within a certain few meters of a street corner only to be grassed up.. or your kids walk on some grass or play near a no ball games sign.. I mean where does it end ?

I doubt there is a single person on TP who hasnt done somehtign wrong in the last 12 moinths ..either knowingly or not.... Why not grass em all up..

Also if its so right.. why stop at your own street.. why not make a cape and go out into the big wide world.. theres lots of people doing wrong that could be grassed up.. going by the so called rights and wrongs in this thread you should be telling tales on them all.. after all.. if its wrong its wrong eh..

Or... mind your own business... thats an option eh :)
 
snoop69 said:
If that was directed at me then i must say that i dont spend my time grassing
on neighbours.

According to my neighbour, this has been going on for a couple of years at
least.

If he did his pumping & selling down the road hidden from all then i wouldnt be aware of it happening
but he chooses to do it in the street anytime of the day.

Also, we are not talking a couple of quid here & there for his own personal
use (not that its any different) but we are talking a few hundred pounds a
month.
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and exactly what business is it of yours ?


and... it wasnt aimed at you personally it was aimed at everyone with the same attitude... see my other post.. where does it all end? :)
 
KIPAX said:
and exactly what business is it of yours ?


and... it wasnt aimed at you personally it was aimed at everyone with the same attitude... see my other post.. where does it all end? :)
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assuming the roadsweeper is owned by the council (or its local equivalent)
and that the OP pays rates (or its local equivalent)
then all the rate-payers are funding this swindle

where will it end - care to contribute to the scumbags pension plan?

one wonders why you are so defensive of such blatant wrongdoing :shrug:
 
KIPAX said:
Its only your opinion of whats well adjusted BTW :) and god forbid you park your car within a certain few meters of a street corner only to be grassed up.. or your kids walk on some grass or play near a no ball games sign.. I mean where does it end ?

. .. cut the rest as it got a bit bizarre
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Exactly. Turn that around and you're back on topic. :)

Just think about it. If it were your company and your diesel what would you want to happen?

Then ask yourself why it matters that it would have to be yours for you to do anything?

What we are discussing here, for the most part, is a crime and not a misdemeanor. There is a clear difference between theft and walking on the grass.
 
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it's alive said:
Oh, right, true he is just "selling" it. I guess that syphoning it from the vehicle at home into drums and selling it to a third party is part of the company activites then.

I'm sure that you can see where I interpreted that as stealing. You are correct in respect of the literal text. The point of the OP would be entirely lost however.

How did you interpret it?
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As it was stated in the op. Guy empties fuel from truck, another bloke buys it. Without the facts around who's truck, who's diesel I couldn't interpret it any other way. The details in the op assumes too much for me.

However, for arguments sake lets's accept that this bloke is acting illegally; I still would not shop him as I believe the repercusiions, however improbable, are too much for me to grass the geezer up.
 
it's alive said:
Just think about it. If it were your company and your diesel what would you want to happen?
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To be fair.. its not the OPs company is it.. if it was then my answer would be different... I answered the question asked.. yours is way different :)
 
Veracocha said:
As it was stated in the op. Guy empties fuel from truck, another bloke buys it. Without the facts around who's truck, who's diesel I couldn't interpret it any other way. The details in the op assumes too much for me.
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Can't argue with your literal interpretation, though as I said it does make the purpose of "grassing" the guy up pointless and therefore make the thread a none starter.

However, for arguments sake lets's accept that this bloke is acting illegally; I still would not shop him as I believe the repercusiions, however improbable, are too much for me to grass the geezer up.
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IMO that's a shame. For reasons that have been gone over more times than I would have thought possible. I would report him, I would be concerned about it being anonymous but if it were my business I would like to know of the activity. It would therefore be hypocritical for me not to report him. I don't knowingly want to be a hypocrite.
 
mmcp42 said:
one wonders why you are so defensive of such blatant wrongdoing :shrug:
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Unbelievable... I dont agree with grassing on nieghbours so I must be a thief .. and yes that is exactly what you implied before you start back peddling :(

Well if my opinion on a subject in TP gets me labled a thief then I will bow out of this debate thanks...
 
Veracocha said:
As it was stated in the op. Guy empties fuel from truck, another bloke buys it. Without the facts around who's truck, who's diesel I couldn't interpret it any other way. The details in the op assumes too much for me.

However, for arguments sake lets's accept that this bloke is acting illegally; I still would not shop him as I believe the repercusiions, however improbable, are too much for me to grass the geezer up.
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Let me get this straight. The guy takes diesel from the Council (or council contracted firm) vehicle, pumps it into barrels and sells it to a mate who has a boat under the cover of a cul-de-sac. Nope, nothing fishy there then.

Tell you what, if someone can give me the name of the street sweeping company I'll phone them just now, just to check if they've any more they don't need.
 
KIPAX said:
Your such a clever person arnt you marcel... you know quite well we are talking about what we see others do and wether its right to grass on them.. We are not talking about what others do directly to us..
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Thanks! Nice to be appreciated :)

I know quite well what we're talking about.....I was trying to liken it to your own business, putting it in simple terms so you understood, what with me being super clever n all :)

Which was kind of my point, which you missed entirely.
You don't think he should report this guy, but what if it was YOU who was being stolen from? Would you agree with someone else who said the same thing?

Now, enough of this idle chit-chat, I'm off to chair the next MENS meeting :D
 
mmcp42 said:
one wonders why you are so defensive of such blatant wrongdoing :shrug:
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KIPAX said:
Unbelievable... I dont agree with grassing on nieghbours so I must be a thief .. and yes that is exactly what you implied before you start back peddling :(

Well if my opinion on a subject in TP gets me labled a thief then I will bow out of this debate thanks...
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hmm neat trick trying to cut off any reply before it's made
I have no problem with you having an opinion - would defend your right to do so

doesn't mean I have to agree with it though
and my question was about why you felt that you should defend the indefensible, not accusing you of complicity
you made that link
 
Veracocha said:
I still would not shop him as I believe the repercusiions, however improbable, are too much for me to grass the geezer up.
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That's a fascinating take on it. Given that the penalty for murder is life imprisonment the natural extension of your argument is that you wouldn't "grass the geezer" for that either!
 
KIPAX said:
To be fair.. its not the OPs company is it.. if it was then my answer would be different... I answered the question asked.. yours is way different :)
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True. However I was trying to understand how folk can be so self absorbed that they only act when they are specifically threatened themselves? I still don't understand it.

You have confirmed that if it were yours you wouldn't like it, therefore you know it is wrong, but you don't care. I've explained elsewhere that I don't share that view. I accept your right to a different one.

I have already adressed the OP quite specifically a number of times. In my post above I was responding to your somewhat off-topic rant:) You can't really pull me for taking things a little way off now can you? :p:lol:
 
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KIPAX said:
Its only your opinion of whats well adjusted BTW :) and god forbid you park your car within a certain few meters of a street corner only to be grassed up.. or your kids walk on some grass or play near a no ball games sign.. I mean where does it end ?

I doubt there is a single person on TP who hasnt done somehtign wrong in the last 12 moinths ..either knowingly or not.... Why not grass em all up..

Also if its so right.. why stop at your own street.. why not make a cape and go out into the big wide world.. theres lots of people doing wrong that could be grassed up.. going by the so called rights and wrongs in this thread you should be telling tales on them all.. after all.. if its wrong its wrong eh..

Or... mind your own business... thats an option eh :)
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I pay tax, therefore someone stealing fuel from my local council (Assuming a council roadsweeper - most are) would be my business.

As for the rest of your post, well you have sucessfully proved no points at all - I used the phrase well adjusted for a reason and you have sucessfully highlighted why I had to. Well done.
 
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KIPAX said:
Well if my opinion on a subject in TP gets me labled a thief then I will bow out of this debate thanks...
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Not a thief, but given your thread on preventing dSLR's at events to protect your income, I'd certainly say hypocrite.

Before you say it's not the same, it is. The only difference is one person is taking money from a faceless employer, the other is taking from you.
 
trapper501 said:
That's a fascinating take on it. Given that the penalty for murder is life imprisonment the natural extension of your argument is that you wouldn't "grass the geezer" for that either!
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Apples & pears, not in the same ballpark for comparison. However, again for arguments sake, if it were to put my family in harm's way then no, I wouldn't grass.
 
Veracocha said:
Apples & pears, not in the same ballpark for comparison. However, again for arguments sake, if it were to put my family in harm's way then no, I wouldn't grass.
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So there are three grades of seriousness, you would report one, the least serious. Then there is a middle range you wouldn't report, and then a more serious range you would?
 
trapper501 said:
So there are three grades of seriousness, you would report one, the least serious. Then there is a middle range you wouldn't report, and then a more serious range you would?
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Can't see anywhere that I have said I am prepared to report anything; regardles of seriousness.
 
mrgas said:
Have you actually witnessed this happening or is it all hearsay ?
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Witnessed. Both the pumping & the distribution.

I was asked by the authorities if he could be paying for the fuel himself
& using the truck as storage & extracting it at home but his wife has told
others that he sometimes fills the barrels at the truck stops & pays for it with
the companies fuel cards.

She was more than happy to confirm in a roundabout
way that her husband was stealing fuel & they go on holidays etc with the
profits.
 
Apart from the debate about whether he's stealing the fuel or not which Im not going to comment, if Ive read this right and he's storing fuel in tanks at his house he's breaking the law anyway as I can't imagine he's licensed for any kind of bulk fuel storage (sure we can all store small amounts of fuel but these quantities would need a license).

And that could very well have an effect on you if there happened to be a fire. A couple of tanks worth of fuel could affect quite a big area and not something I'd be willing to turn a blind eye to.
 
Sparks said:
Apart from the debate about whether he's stealing the fuel or not which Im not going to comment, if Ive read this right and he's storing fuel in tanks at his house he's breaking the law
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Tricky one I am not sure how the law stands on this
spirit ( petrol) I am pretty sure you need a licence to store more than 5 x 5L
cans

diesel ( or 35 sec. oil) is used as heating oil in its red form but identical to the white DERV ( apart from thge dye of course)
2500L storage tanks are not uncommon
kero ( burning oil or 28 sec. oil ) is more volatile that red diesel still used as heating oil and still stored in domestic tanks ( in the back garden)

its been a lot of years since I was involved in the oil business so the regs may well have changed.
 
snoop69 said:
Witnessed. Both the pumping & the distribution.

I was asked by the authorities if he could be paying for the fuel himself
& using the truck as storage & extracting it at home but his wife has told
others that he sometimes fills the barrels at the truck stops & pays for it with
the companies fuel cards.

She was more than happy to confirm in a roundabout
way that her husband was stealing fuel & they go on holidays etc with the
profits.
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So in the eyes of the authorities, the police I presume, you have no proof he is stealing it because if you have informed them of what his wife has told others, and what was said in a "roundabout way" you are only quoting hearsay.
He could very well be stealing it and probably is, but there is always the chance that there is an innocent explanation for what is going on, or if there is something dishonest going on the police may not get the concrete proof they need. Either way this could very easily backfire on you.
I sincerely hope it doesn't for your sake.
 
Galaxy66 said:
So in the eyes of the authorities, the police I presume, you have no proof he is stealing it because if you have informed them of what his wife has told others, and what was said in a "roundabout way" you are only quoting hearsay.

Either way this could very easily backfire on you.
I sincerely hope it doesn't for your sake.
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The only 'hearsay' part is that my neighbour was told that he sometimes uses
the companies fuel card to pay for it. She may well be willing to make a statement
if required.

I have witnessed the pumping out of fuel & i have also witnessed it being
collected.

Thanks bud.
 
Cobra said:
Tricky one I am not sure how the law stands on this
spirit ( petrol) I am pretty sure you need a licence to store more than 5 x 5L
cans

diesel ( or 35 sec. oil) is used as heating oil in its red form but identical to the white DERV ( apart from thge dye of course)
2500L storage tanks are not uncommon
kero ( burning oil or 28 sec. oil ) is more volatile that red diesel still used as heating oil and still stored in domestic tanks ( in the back garden)

its been a lot of years since I was involved in the oil business so the regs may well have changed.
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Fair enough, I might have to step down on that one...

I thought it was 2 x 10 litre metal containers or 2 x 5 litre plastics for either petrol or diesel fuels but Im quite willing to be corrected!!

Had assumed that the bigger tanks would need to be bunded and that relevant authorities made aware of their existence - again, more an assumption though so I'll back out with dignity hopefully intact... ;)
 
snoop69 said:
The only 'hearsay' part is that my neighbour was told that he sometimes uses
the companies fuel card to pay for it. She may well be willing to make a statement
if required.

Thanks bud.
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So now we have two neighbours potentially being stitched up while you remain anonymous?
 
Veracocha said:
So now we have two neighbours potentially being stitched up while you remain anonymous?
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Who said anyone is being stitched up?

Snoop69 has reported exactly what he saw and knows to the police, it is up to them to do with that as they please. I expect they will speak with the employer and maybe with the individual concerned.
If action is necessary they may take it.
 
Veracocha said:
What about this bit? more hearsay?
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The bloke who collects the drums in his van is the bloke with the yacht.

Veracocha said:
So now we have two neighbours potentially being stitched up while you remain anonymous?
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Not really, firstly if he wants to carry on robbing fuel he should do it
elsewhere where he wont get caught.

Secondly, my neighbour does not have to make a statement, that is their
own choice.
 
ive been keeping an eye on this thread

i dont see what the problem is, make and anonomus phone call saying what you think is happening , see what they do about it ...
 
snoop69 said:
Not really, firstly if he wants to carry on robbing fuel he should do it elsewhere where he wont get caught..
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So finally, in all this soul searching you come out and say it's ok for him to Rob as long as it's not in your cul-de sac? This is where I bow out as your approach from start to finish is inconsistent. Not wishing to be rude and it was not my intention to offend anyone but your latest statement just says it all.
 
I think you have done the right thing and the more people who do the same the better!
Would you like it if they stole off you? not likely, so the guys doing the right thing and we need more people who don't just turn a blind eye to crime.Get some backbone
Good on ya! Snoop!
 
Sparks said:
Fair enough, I might have to step down on that one...

I thought it was 2 x 10 litre metal containers or 2 x 5 litre plastics for either petrol or diesel fuels but Im quite willing to be corrected!!

Had assumed that the bigger tanks would need to be bunded and that relevant authorities made aware of their existence - again, more an assumption though so I'll back out with dignity hopefully intact... ;)
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You could well be right on the quantities of spirit, as I said it is quite a few years
ago since I did ( had) my ADR licence
Commercial premises needed bunded tanks but domestics never did
( I agree they should have, maybe thats changed as well?)
Oh and your dignity is intact as far as I am concerned :thumbs:
 
Isn't this becoming very similar to the "Conned by leading national retailer" thread :D:popcorn:
 
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