Bloke Down The Road Selling Company Diesel - What To Do?

Mind your own business...what's he ever done to you?
As for some of the comments here - what a snivelling bunch of back-stabbing *****...the Stasi would have loved you lot!
 
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Snoop, how many forums have you posted this on? At least 3? Thanks to the t'interweb, the world is getting ever smaller.

I think you should anon shop the bloke, he sounds like a scum bag all round. But I also think you need to see why others have questioned your moral position if you can casually refer to blackmail/extortion as perfectly acceptable if you'd decided take that route. Are you doing this for genuine concern, or just for a bit of revenge? Rhetorical question, only you need to answer that for yourself.
 
malla1962 said:
Im prety sure they stipped red diesel in october.
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I don't think they stopped red diesel, but they have stopped non commercial boats using it tax free.

All non commercial craft now have to pay VAT on the fuel, red or not.

Road Sweepers with donkey engines can use red for the donkey, if working on a building site they can use red for the main engine but they must be flushed before they can drive on the road again.
 
snoop69 said:
Oh, ive got the balls to confront.

I just wouldnt want my kids to get involved because thats how low he
is. The big hard man when it comes to telling 6yr old girls to .... ...
(insert disgusting language).

They dont need to get involved at all hence the anon suggestion.
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then if your balls are big enough to confront him then they should be big enough to sort out any problems that arise from your confrontation.... if as you say he's only ok telling children off then you won't have a problem teaching this man some manners too if the need arises:shrug:
 
I fail to understand why this is even being discussed. Report it. The law is being broken if he is storing fuel in a container > 5 litres without appropriate precautions/license, etc. Plus the other alleged criminal activities. Report the storage issue, the rest will come to light as a result of that if it makes you feel better.

Whether or not he is a nice man is actually irrelevent. Being nice is no protection or excuse.

To the poster that suggested that he ought not to be reported because (and I paraphrase) 'we all do bad things' (such as speeding or using mobiles whilst driving) I say "thin end of the wedge". Is it ok for me to hit your car and not stop then? Where do you draw the line?

It is rather simple. The more that people generally turn a blind eye to things the more it becomes custom and practice. Personally I'm not liking the direction that is taking us as a nation. Why is it "grassing" to do the right thing? That is adding a negative emotional aspect to something that should be applauded.

If you want a non-altruistic justification for Snoop to report the man then, as has been said, his council tax will be paying for the fuel that the man is selling. Those suggesting he isn't doing any harm are wrong. Perhaps all the council drivers in the area do this?
 
bi9johnny said:
then if your balls are big enough to confront him then they should be big enough to sort out any problems that arise from your confrontation.... if as you say he's only ok telling children off then you won't have a problem teaching this man some manners too if the need arises:shrug:
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I totaly agree.
 
I keep dipping in to this thread hoping that OP has actually done something and made the call.

ho hum
 
I am stunned by the amount of people who are saying turn a blind eye, non of your business etc. Is the country really getting to the state where we should let people get away with crime when we witness it?

This man is committing a criminal offence if he is selling diesel that he has stolen from the company he works for. I don't understand the mentality of thinking it is OK the let this go on. Not only the criminal aspect, the man is storing a significant quantity of diesel as a residential address, in what is very unlikely to be a suitable container.

As for confronting him, what exactly will that achieve?
Apart from proving you are the bigger man and have balls? What next, a ****ing contest?
Will it stop him from making a fair amount of money illegally? Probably not. Will it have the potential to make your life at home more difficult. Almost certainly.
 
Exactly. Why make life more difficult for yourself and your family, and increase the chance of repercussions by bringing it to his face? That will only wind him up and you're more likely to get into a violent confrontation, just so he can 'save face'. And for what?

It's not slimy to report him, it's the correct thing to do. Why get into a chance of a fight, just because?
If you confront him, what are you going to say? "Ive spotted you stealing and selling fuel. Please report yourself to your bosses...Thanks"
 
Just awaiting a call from the local cop shop who will advise an
investigation ref etc.
 
Veracocha said:
Plod will probably want a statement, putting anon on it won't get the investigation very far.
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They are treating it as a 3rd party investigation which means a passer by
could have witnessed the wrong doing & made the call.
 
Another thing you now have to consider, if he now gets nicked he will most definitely lose his job and also get a criminal record, in which case he may find it extremely difficult to get another job, and i would go as far as to say in the climate where in at the moment it's difficult enough without having a record, and my point in all this is, the neighbour who you and so many others dislike is now spending all his time at home, as opposed to being at work out of the way for 8 hours a day, being more of a bloody nuisance in the process, particularly when the kids are on school holiday, shooting ones self in the foot springs to mind ;)
 
TG. said:
Another thing you now have to consider, if he now gets nicked he will most definitely lose his job and also get a criminal record, in which case he may find it extremely difficult to get another job, and i would go as far as to say in the climate where in at the moment it's difficult enough without having a record, and my point in all this is, the neighbour who you and so many others dislike is now spending all his time at home, as opposed to being at work out of the way for 8 hours a day, being more of a bloody nuisance in the process, particularly when the kids are on school holiday, shooting ones self in the foot springs to mind ;)
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so, on balance, you think nicking copious amounts of his employer's fuel is a good thing then?
 
Arkady said:
Mind your own business...what's he ever done to you?
As for some of the comments here - what a snivelling bunch of back-stabbing tw**s...the Stasi would have loved you lot!
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my thoughts exactly

major mistake getting the police involved as well
 
I would say 'on balance' your family's welfare is more important than all the fuel in the middle east.
 
snoop69 said:
Thanks for your assumption of my character which is incorrect.

Money doesnt bother me on the slightest but if he is willing to pay then why
not :shrug:

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Are yoiu kidding me. This guy is STEALING from someone and you would be prepared to report him, which is the right thing to do. But, you would keep quiet for a back hander, effectively a share of his profit.

In my book that would make you as bad as him:nono:

"I'm sorry Mr xyz we are have to make you redundent as our diesal costs are so high we can't afford to keep you on"
 
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mmcp42 said:
so, on balance, you think nicking copious amounts of his employer's fuel is a good thing then?
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No not at all, but sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture and how it could affect you and others long term, it's quite clear the neighbours have a problem with him so why possibly make it worse, in the end your neighbours won't thank you for it.
 
To those who say don't report him and that it's none of his business.

Would you report him if he was nicking sweets from a shop?
What if you saw him breaking into a car?
What if you saw him stealing a car?
What if you saw him throwing a brick through a window?
What if you saw him punching a passer-by?
What if you saw him punching an old woman?
What if you saw him mugging a pensioner?

Would you stand by and do nothing then?
"None of my business...."
"Not on my doorstep..."
"Nowt to do with me..."

Everyone has their own levels of what is right and wrong. The laws give us a pretty fair guidebook on what is right and wrong in society.

Also, what if it was YOUR company he was stealing from? Would you agree everyone should keep quiet about it?
 
Marcel said:
To those who say don't report him and that it's none of his business.

What if you saw him throwing a brick through a window?
What if you saw him punching a passer-by?
What if you saw him punching an old woman?
What if you saw him mugging a pensioner?
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None of the above are really comparable to be fair, if i seen him doing any of those things, he wouldn't be doing them for very long.
 
Dave Stone said:
In my book that would make you as bad as him:nono:

"I'm sorry Mr xyz we are have to make you redundent as our diesal costs are so high we can't afford to keep you on"
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I saw sense posted & reply in post # 29.

It was just a 'tongue in cheek' comment to be honest & i wrongly thought
it would be a little humerous.
 
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Marcel said:
To those who say don't report him and that it's none of his business.

Would you report him if he was nicking sweets from a shop?
What if you saw him breaking into a car?
What if you saw him stealing a car?
What if you saw him throwing a brick through a window?
What if you saw him punching a passer-by?
What if you saw him punching an old woman?
What if you saw him mugging a pensioner?

Would you stand by and do nothing then?
"None of my business...."
"Not on my doorstep..."
"Nowt to do with me..."

Everyone has their own levels of what is right and wrong. The laws give us a pretty fair guidebook on what is right and wrong in society.

Also, what if it was YOUR company he was stealing from? Would you agree everyone should keep quiet about it?
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I believe all of those are considered illegal, I am not up to speed on a bloke alleged to have taken fuel from his truck.
 
Well if he's not doing anything illegal, then there's no problem with him being reported is there? If an old woman shouted "Stop that man he's stolen my purse", would you stop him? Remember it's only alleged, you didn't see him do anything.

TG. My point is that everyone has their own levels of fairness. Some people think walking on by when seeing the above is acceptable, some people believe that it's not acceptable to steal fuel from your employer.
Some people would report one, but not the other, some people will report neither.
 
Veracocha said:
I believe all of those are considered illegal, I am not up to speed on a bloke alleged to have taken fuel from his truck.
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The premise of the entire thread is that the bloke is "stealing". It's the "stealing" word that gives it away I think, or is that not considered illegal where you are?
 
Veracocha said:
I believe all of those are considered illegal, I am not up to speed on a bloke alleged to have taken fuel from his truck.
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If it was his truck then it might only be a tax offence, but it would still be theft.
 
If I saw a drunk getting into a car i would stop him or phone the police if I couldnt get to his car in time... If i saw something happening that was hurting someone physically then I hope I would try and stop it..

If i saw a bloke on the fiddle at work I would say... his business not mine..

Don't grass your neighbours up for having a work perk... jeeeze :(
 
What if you employ a second photographer........and he takes a shine to a few of your 16gb cards each week?
Would you say "Hey, it's a perk, don't worry about it? Take a few more!"
 
it's alive said:
The premise of the entire thread is that the bloke is "stealing". It's the "stealing" word that gives it away I think, or is that not considered illegal where you are?
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The facts are what's important, not the premise. No mention of the word stealing in the op.

What has "where I am " got to do with it?
 
The interesting point for me is that Snoop69 clearly is discomfited by the actions of the "bloke". Therefore thinks it is right to report him. I'm interested in knowing what is causing him to consider not doing so?

The comments of the amusingly named "mrgas" (in the context of this thread at least) lead me to believe that he's the bloke in question :)

If it was your diesel that he was syphoning off then you'd report it no question. Have you no sense of community? Wouldn't you like it if your neighbour told you that some bloke was taking your diesel?
 
there is a difference between what you call a work perk
and downright theft

a) a perk is generally approved by the employer
b) the question of scale does come into it

If someone photocopies a document using the firm's photocopier, most employers would be ok with that, especially if asked first

If someone start photocopying an entire book, then a line has been crossed

Take it further, if someone gets a pen from the stationery cupboard - uses it then takes it home and leaves it there - hardly a federal case
Walking out with a couple of reams of paper - and questions will definitely be asked

There's a further issue - storage of fuel is controlled by rules/regulations
If he is filling barrels and keeping them in his garage - again multiple lines have been crossed

Fire Brigade: did you know so much fuel was being stored in your next door neighbour's garage?
yes, but it's none of my business

tell that to the wife and kids in the burns unit :thumbsdown::bat:
 
Marcel said:
What if you employ a second photographer........and he takes a shine to a few of your 16gb cards each week?
Would you say "Hey, it's a perk, don't worry about it? Take a few more!"
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Your such a clever person arnt you marcel... you know quite well we are talking about what we see others do and wether its right to grass on them.. We are not talking about what others do directly to us..
 
it's alive said:
If it was your diesel that he was syphoning off then you'd report it no question. Have you no sense of community? Wouldn't you like it if your neighbour told you that some bloke was taking your diesel?
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No, I would deal with it myself. No police involvement, there would be nothing in it for me (and my family) apart from further repercussions.

I am only advising him what I would do, it doesn't mean I'm right but I can live with that as long as no harm comes to my own.
 
I would rather live next door to a guy nicking stuff from work than the guy who spends his time grassing on his neighbours..
 
Veracocha said:
The facts are what's important, not the premise. No mention of the word stealing in the op.

What has "where I am " got to do with it?
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Oh, right, true he is just "selling" it. I guess that syphoning it from the vehicle at home into drums and selling it to a third party is part of the company activites then.

I'm sure that you can see where I interpreted that as stealing. You are correct in respect of the literal text. The point of the OP would be entirely lost however.

How did you interpret it?
 
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