anyone else hate cyclists

[big soft moose]

As you may remember we have "Redways" here.
The idea is you can transverse MK without crossing a road.
They are Multi use, The walkers hate the cyclists,
the cyclists hate the walkers, and everyone hates the dog walkers.
At least its "fair"

Indeed and how do you feel about mini motos (or has that craze passed)

and the bloody cyclists also cycle on the leisure routes (the golden gravel bound surface paths mainitained by the parks trust) and then moan like buggery when cracks appear , never considering that these were only built to footpath spec.

 

[Marc]

As you may remember we have "Redways" here.
The idea is you can transverse MK without crossing a road.
They are Multi use, The walkers hate the cyclists,
the cyclists hate the walkers, and everyone hates the dog walkers.
At least its "fair"

I've cycled a fair bit round the Redways and never really came across any problems, walkers always seemed quite friendly.

 

[POAH]

this is pretty bad driving

 

[POAH]

how to kidnap a cyclist in russia

 

[Cobra]

Indeed and how do you feel about mini motos (or has that craze passed)

TBH you don't tend to get them this side of the the city.
Mind you the skate boarders were a bloody menace a years back

and the bloody cyclists also cycle on the leisure routes (the golden gravel bound surface paths mainitained by the parks trust) and then moan like buggery when cracks appear , never considering that these were only built to footpath spec.

LOL &

I've cycled a fair bit round the Redways and never really came across any problems, walkers always seemed quite friendly.

To be fair, its just the odd one or two that think they own the redways,
(it tends to be the Lycra brigade)
and that pedestrians have no right to be there, although they were always designated "multi use"

 

[Mattyd]

Why is it always a fu****g Rottweiler?!?

Because in my case it's the only dog breed I've had a run in with. And was the 1st that came to mind.

Little dogs don't bother me.

Other dogs that bother me....the ones who's owners walk them late at night, or super early in the morning because even the owner knows they are too dangerous to walk during the day. Those ones are fun on country paths with no where to escape too.....the joys be being a early morning photographer

 

[dejongj]

apply your logic to car vs dog.

is the car automatically at fault for a dog running out in front of it? either way, you wouldnt let your dog get into that situation with a car so dont let your dog do it to a bike. i wont be held responsible to injuries to an out of control dog. as much as i love dogs.

simples.

It is easy to say I won't let my child get into that situation. Just like my dog. However when they do get in that situation strong participants in traffic should adopt their behaviour to allow themselves to deal with the unforeseen events.

Going back to the original topic where it is a shared path with no clear distinction of who goes where, faster traffic should adjust their speed.

Just like on bridle routes and the likes where it is perfectly reasonable that you'd encounter someone walking their dog off the lead. Once should take into account such situations and no speed up from behind, or around a corner but allow sufficient time to the other participant to also adapt and where required constrain an animal by putting it temporarily on a lead.

That is just common sense and simples.

 

[the black fox]

well walk to one side then - can't tar all cyclists with the same brush or I'd be posting a thread about moron pedestrians

do you NEVER READ the whole story and just look for bits to quote to f*****g wind people up ,as i stated quite clearly in my first post I AM TONE DEAF ,that means in words that even a simpleton can understand i am not deaf just limited to a range of tones so two wheeled nemesis bells cannot be heard ,or even a call of get out of my way from thirty yards away ,and as i,m approaching 70 i couldn't move that fast anyway even if i wanted to ,now theres nothing wrong with my eye sight if i see one of them bearing down on me i'll step out of the way no problem ,some family cyclists who tend to go at a leisurely pace even stop for a chat and ask what birds i,m looking for ,no problem there either .

BUT a over 40 year old lycrist pretending to be chris hoy in training and coming up behind me at speed and presuming that i have heard him is where my complaint lies ,i think my best bet is to carry my old and sturdy walking stick,shelaghly whatever you wish to call it and accidentally let it catch in there spokes as i turn round to point at that snowy owl i thought i saw .i and others who have used the same footpath for years are all of the same opinion that sooner or later theres going to be a bad accident along there .

just realised there might be a use for the used chip fat oil from the deep fryer after all

 

[Marc]

To be fair, its just the odd one or two that think they own the redways,
(it tends to be the Lycra brigade)
and that pedestrians have no right to be there, although they were always designated "multi use"

I don't doubt that Chris, some of them have the same attitude towards cars on the road!

 

[Mattyd]

Going back to the original topic where it is a shared path with no clear distinction of who goes where, faster traffic should adjust their speed.

I have zero problem with this statement (it's one reason I'm an advocate of presumed liability). But consider that roads are shared spaces too. And I would estimate a good 20% of motorists don't act responsibly around other road users.

 

[POAH]

do you NEVER READ the whole story and just look for bits to quote to f*****g wind people up ,as i stated quite clearly in my first post I AM TONE DEAF ,that means in words that even a simpleton can understand i am not deaf just limited to a range of tones so two wheeled nemesis bells cannot be heard ,or even a call of get out of my way from thirty yards away ,and as i,m approaching 70 i couldn't move that fast anyway even if i wanted to ,now theres nothing wrong with my eye sight if i see one of them bearing down on me i'll step out of the way no problem ,some family cyclists who tend to go at a leisurely pace even stop for a chat and ask what birds i,m looking for ,no problem there either .

BUT a over 40 year old lycrist pretending to be chris hoy in training and coming up behind me at speed and presuming that i have heard him is where my complaint lies ,i think my best bet is to carry my old and sturdy walking stick,shelaghly whatever you wish to call it and accidentally let it catch in there spokes as i turn round to point at that snowy owl i thought i saw .i and others who have used the same footpath for years are all of the same opinion that sooner or later theres going to be a bad accident along there .

just realised there might be a use for the used chip fat oil from the deep fryer after all

you also pointed out you don't wear your hearing aid you are still taring all cyclists with the same brush. I slowed down for 4 fatties yesterday on a path that were taking up the whole width meaning I had to go on the grass and risk dog poo still set KOM on the path though

 

[dejongj]

I have zero problem with this statement (it's one reason I'm an advocate of presumed liability). But consider that roads are shared spaces too. And I would estimate a good 20% of motorists don't act responsibly around other road users.

Agreed and they should. I hold my breath when I see cars over take a cyclist on a blind corner to name one example. Why can't they just wait a few second to determine it is safe and engage on the manoeuvre then.

Just too many impatient and aggressive people about.

 

[neil_g]

It is easy to say I won't let my child get into that situation. Just like my dog. However when they do get in that situation strong participants in traffic should adopt their behaviour to allow themselves to deal with the unforeseen events.

Going back to the original topic where it is a shared path with no clear distinction of who goes where, faster traffic should adjust their speed.

Just like on bridle routes and the likes where it is perfectly reasonable that you'd encounter someone walking their dog off the lead. Once should take into account such situations and no speed up from behind, or around a corner but allow sufficient time to the other participant to also adapt and where required constrain an animal by putting it temporarily on a lead.

That is just common sense and simples.

Last incident I had with a dog speed had zero factor in it otherwise I'd have used momentum and ridden over the bloody terrier after it bit me.

Simple fact is - control your dog around others. Again you wouldn't let it bound up to a child so why let it in other instances.

Anyway I can't tell if you're very blinkered or trolling so I'm going back to ignoring. Have a nice day.

 

[neil_g]

this is pretty bad driving

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I admire (I think) anyone that cycles on the road full time..

I wish I'd kept the gopro rolling for the way back to the ferry yesterday..

It would've caught an old dear driving along the wrong side of the (30/40mph) road level pegging a camper van. Upon gesticulating (after mounting the verge to get out the way) to her to get onto her side she angrily shouted something through the windscreen at me..

 

[sturisoma]

I'm a cyclist, driver, ped and ex-biker so I experience it all lol, I have noticed though that when I walk I get annoyed with cyclists, when I cycle I get annoyed with peds and cars and when I drive I get annoyed with no-one (well, maybe other cars). The biggest thing that upsets me is cyclists riding on the path or jumping red lights, especially as I make a point of not doing it. I had a rant at a cyclist the other day because I was walking on the path with my head down and nearly walked into him. He sneered at me to 'wake up' so I told him off for being on the pavement lol - there is a cycle path so he had no reason to be on the pavement.

 

[CaveDweller]

I'm probably your worst nightmare then. Tearing up forest tracks and around town on my bike is my main pass time

I do respect others though and very rarely by myself. We have a few hidden trails with gap jumps over roads/forest tracks and we always have people on the look out. I've come across more out of control dogs than times I've bothered others and around the town is completely different, even had elderly stand and watch

 

[chadders]

Out on the Fells with three friends when a group of lycra clad cyclops came tear ar***g down the rocky track behind us. No bells, no warnings, we had to jump aside at the last moment, and only one of us was deaf. I think they found it amusing, but not half as amusing as we found it a few minutes later. Further on one of them was nursing what looked like a nasty gash and a badly buckled wheel. Oh how we smiled as we passed them.

 

[Blank_Canvas]

The majority of cyclists in York are an absolute menace !

If that wasn't bad enough then once a year we have the Naked Bike ride - but I'm not posting any of the cr@p though !

Le Tour de France was quite spectacular though but that's about as good as it gets in York !

 

[dejongj]

Last incident I had with a dog speed had zero factor in it otherwise I'd have used momentum and ridden over the bloody terrier after it bit me.

Simple fact is - control your dog around others. Again you wouldn't let it bound up to a child so why let it in other instances.

Anyway I can't tell if you're very blinkered or trolling so I'm going back to ignoring. Have a nice day.

Hmm seriously? You come racing around the corner on a bridle path and I should control my dog happily walking off the lead in an area where you can reasonably expect that. And you are accusing me of trolling? Many you really should review your comprehension and listen to what is actually being said...unbelievable.

 

[POAH]

Hmm seriously? You come racing around the corner on a bridle path and I should control my dog happily walking off the lead in an area where you can reasonably expect that. And you are accusing me of trolling? Many you really should review your comprehension and listen to what is actually being said...unbelievable.

dog should be controlled in any possible situation where other people can be affected by the dog so yes you should have the dog on a lead.

 

[dejongj]

I'm probably your worst nightmare then. Tearing up forest tracks and around town on my bike is my main pass time

I do respect others though and very rarely by myself. We have a few hidden trails with gap jumps over roads/forest tracks and we always have people on the look out. I've come across more out of control dogs than times I've bothered others and around the town is completely different, even had elderly stand and watch

For the avoidance of doubt. Plenty of cycle paths around me, with some great forest trails which I'm not impartial to using myself. However they are clearly marked as off limit to dogs which is fair enough. However other areas aren't not and all I'm suggesting that is also fair enough as long as you give any dog owner the time to help you pass unhindered. Just like I would like the time to hold the hand of my toddler so she won't walk into your path.

 

[dejongj]

dog should be controlled in any possible situation where other people can be affected by the dog so yes you should have the dog on a lead.

So you are effectively saying dogs should ALWAYS be on the lead? Really. The country side should only be for people?

 

[POAH]

So you are effectively saying dogs should ALWAYS be on the lead? Really. The country side should only be for people?

thats clearly not what I said and I'm a dog owner BTW

 

[neil_g]

thats clearly not what I said and I'm a dog owner BTW

is he still going?

 

[dejongj]

thats clearly not what I said and I'm a dog owner BTW

That is how I read it in context to the post you quoted of me where you made that comment. I then obviously misunderstood you and for that I apologise. Perhaps you can elaborate on what it clearly was you meant in that context.

 

[POAH]

is he still going?

yes, note how he is on the lead.

 

[neil_g]

here's a nice lady I met yesterday, note the dog being held and the happy smiley face?

 

[Mattyd]

The majority of cyclists in York are an absolute menace !

If that wasn't bad enough then once a year we have the Naked Bike ride - but I'm not posting any of the cr@p though !

Le Tour de France was quite spectacular though but that's about as good as it gets in York !

In the interests of balance (i know..the irony of the word "balanced" in a cycling based thead does not escape me!

Heres a vid by the same guy - Motorists this time

heres a link - No idea why he wont alow linking for the driving one and not the cycling one..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diF_9HgCAU4&list=UUj-TLSsWwrYrh6ly3fk8cnw


Also....Naked bike rides are ace!

 

[dejongj]

yes, note how he is on the lead.

By what can be seen from the location that seems a very sensible thing to. Don't think anyone is arguing against that.

 

[Mattyd]

My dog is rarely on a lead - but....If he causes an accident (even towards someone acting a little recklessly) I would have to take some or all of the blame for it


Although saying that....Hes pretty old now, Im thinking about 12-14. Hes not very fast on his feet anymore

 

[dejongj]

here's a nice lady I met yesterday, note the dog being held and the happy smiley face?

Cool, exactly as what I suggested earlier. Give each other time and live in harmony. It doesn't have be confrontational. I do exactly the same thing a few times per walk, or even from a further distance mine would respond to commands and hand signals.

 

[george g]

I'm confused... Reading through this thread, pedestrians hate cyclists, cyclists hate dog walkers, ramblers hate dogs and motorcyclists hate horses...

Well I have a dog, cycle both on and off road, drive a car and occasionally ride a horse... To top it off a motorcycle is on the horizon... Does this mean I should hate myself most of the time?

 

[Mattyd]

Well I have a dog, cycle both on and off road, drive a car and occasionally ride a horse... To top it off a motorcycle is on the horizon... Does this mean I should hate myself most of the time?

Yes!

in all seriousness though....Everyone a pedestrian, and every cyclist I know is also a motorist. There,s a strange idea in some circles that cyclists cycle because they cannot afford a car. Its very strange. My bikes are worth more than my car

 

[Gaz J]

indeed, chances are the dog would have it out of your hand to play with.

That said if you hit my dog with a piece if hard wall water pipe (which wouldnt come up because i don't let her chase cyclists anyway) you'd swiftly be needing the services of a proctologist to retrieve your pipe for next time !

I knew somebody would be along with the "you hit my dog ill shove it where the sun doesn't shine".

Heard it already in real time.

It made me laugh then as well

I'm too old to outcycle a half fit dog but I don't intend to get bitten any more.

 

[TopBanana]

The majority of cyclists in York are an absolute menace !

That is quite simply not true. There definitely are some who are a menace but its by no means the majority, and in the 10years I've lived and cyclyed in York the standard of cycling has really improved. There are always going to be idiots, especially in winter wearing black without lights, but most commuters are fairly considerate.
What I have noticed is that there are various places around the city where the roads just aren't capable of supporting both bikes and cars - this leads to drivers getting cross because they're stuck behind cyclists, or cyclists getting cross because drivers are doing stupid things to get past them, when in reality its just an outcome of the road layout rather than either side being in the wrong.

 

[dejongj]

I agree with that. A lot of the "issues" have to do with the road layouts unfortunately.

 

[big soft moose]

I knew somebody would be along with the "you hit my dog ill shove it where the sun doesn't shine".

Heard it already in real time.

It made me laugh then as well

I'm too old to outcycle a half fit dog but I don't intend to get bitten any more.

If you heard it from me in real time sunshine you wouldnt be laughing , if you are too old to outcycle a dog then you are far to old to get physical with the owner as well.

 

[Gaz J]

Get a grip Pete. We know that you're really a big softy

The chances are absolutely zero that I will ever cycle past you or your dog. And you've already said that your dog doesn't chase cyclists so there's no issue.

But let me tell you this. Last time I was bitten I ended up with 10 stitches. It'll never happen again. 99% of owners are responsible and the dogs have no interest in pedestrians or cyclists. But every now and again you'll find the odd owner and dog that doesn't play the game. If they can't accept responsibility for their dogs its not going to be me that suffers as a result of it. So if/when that occasion arises I will take whatever steps are required to make sure I don't bet bitten.

It's become so bad on that path with dogs off leads that I've stopped using it for most of the year but now with winter coming I will be back on it again as will a number of my mates. And its guaranteed that between now and spring one of us will have an event.

Enjoy walking your dog.

 

[Byker28i]

I'm confused... Reading through this thread, pedestrians hate cyclists, cyclists hate dog walkers, ramblers hate dogs and motorcyclists hate horses...

Motorcyclists hate the mess the horses leave on the road and the antisocial riders who ride two and three abreast, militant, aggressive riders around our way.

Pretty girls in jodhpurs should be encouraged

 

[Gremlin]

If you heard it from me in real time sunshine you wouldnt be laughing , if you are too old to outcycle a dog then you are far to old to get physical with the owner as well.

and you, as a dog owner should know that your dog doesn't have to bite someone they just have to feel threatened for you to get in trouble
under the DDA, so if they defend themselves and you decide to go in and attack too I doubt you will have your dog for long after