Zoo's good or bad?

Nod said:
Mrs Nod is vegetarian while I follow the natural human diet. ;) Mrs Nod cooks far better meat dishes than most of mine, despite not tasting them during creation! Got several friends who used to be vegan but had to abandon their principles due to health issues (not necessarily related to their previous dietary choices, although they ALL enjoy better health now they eat a better diet) in their 40s/50s.
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They obviously weren't eating well enough given the number of top athletes adopting a vegan diet for health reasons ;)

http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/26/13-vegan-athletes-smashing-it-on-a-meat-free-diet-5349835/

Not saying it's the only way of course, but definitely not unhealthy if you eat well.
 
Of course, several of those "vegans" aren't... Much like vegetarians who eat fish, some in your list "try" to follow a vegan diet bust still tuck into cheese.
 
Nod said:
Of course, several of those "vegans" aren't... Much like vegetarians who eat fish, some in your list "try" to follow a vegan diet bust still tuck into cheese.
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Well to be fair only two of them say they try most of the time, the rest as far as I could see didn't say anything to suggest they aren't fully vegan. The odd bit of cheese may not be vegan but the point was that a vegan diet can be incredibly healthy, the cheese he eats won't contribute in any way to his better health.
 
htid said:
Well to be fair only two of them say they try most of the time, the rest as far as I could see didn't say anything to suggest they aren't fully vegan. The odd bit of cheese may not be vegan but the point was that a vegan diet can be incredibly healthy, the cheese he eats won't contribute in any way to his better health.
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Nor will it detract from it.
 
viv1969 said:
Nor will it detract from it.
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I agree to an extent (it depends if you believe the research which shows that dairy products actually negatively impact calcium supplies rather than add to them, meaning even the small bit of cheese could be very very slightly detrimental to his heath) but the point was made that the people Nod knows had to change back due to their health. I just wanted to make clear that veganism is anything but unhealthy if you eat well.
 
GreenNinja67 said:
Wind turbines are indeed an eyesore, so are solar panels (photovoltaics).

I've never understood why we don't harness more electricity from the power of water.

It's plentiful and the force of a moderate stream would turn quite a large turbine rotor, thereby generating a lot of power.

Just my twopenny worth.

Anyone know the reasons for not utilising this relatively free resource?
Is it more expensive to produce these turbines or has no one worked out how to solder underwater yet?
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Not sure why there is no one producing these turbines but I guess it's due to over statuation of this type of energy production. hydroelectric energy is a well known and a controllable source of energy too but needs the height to be effusive. Where I live we have a water turbine on the river in town, there is only a fall of 1-2m but it's enough to turn the Archimedes screw generator.

One thing that has grown out of the wind and solar energy boom is companies thats sole business is wasting energy when nature makes too much and the national grid can't handle the volume of energy produced. The grid actually pays companies to waste energy by turning on large energy consuming plant when it actually doesn't need to run for a process to be completed. It seems to go against all thinking behind renewable energy when you are trying to waste energy. The renewable energy that I find interesting is research in algae as a fuel. It can be quickly and easily produced by natural means, it can also be grown in sea farms so taking up no land space unlike crops grown for biofuel. It can also be consumed when required unlike most renewables (like wind and solar) that are very depenant on the weather. Sorry, I'm going massively off topic here.
 
@rob-nikon don't worry, anything goes in this thread.

Very interesting post too, I'll have to read more about that so thanks for posting.
 
htid said:
@rob-nikon don't worry, anything goes in this thread.

Very interesting post too, I'll have to read more about that so thanks for posting.
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It's an interesting field of research. There are potentially huge benefits as algae can be grown anywhere. Just imagine a world where nearly every country could produce their own energy source and there wouldn't be a monopoly on world energy resources owned by just a few.
 
Cobra said:
I know there is a lot more to vegetarians diet,.
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I'msure ive heard a joke about a vegetarian girlfreind which goes something like that with the punchline being ... and you should see what that girl can do with a carrot :naughty:
 
GreenNinja67 said:
It's plentiful and the force of a moderate stream would turn quite a large turbine rotor, thereby generating a lot of power.
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In essence because you need a steep incline to turn a turbine fast enough to get a decent ammount of electricity - and most of those inclines are in places where it isn't practical to build a turbine - converting old watermills is a burgeoning business but of course the number is pretty limited

Pumped storage to store energy generated by other means is an option, but even that isnt easy to build
 
I know there are a few small river powered generators on the Dart. Not big drops, pretty much just sat in the flow of the river. Not sure how much they chuck out in the way of power but the chap I knew who had one is tight as a quacker's chuff so wouldn't have one if it wasn't worth having!
 
yeah, we've got a couple of tenants with those... they chuck out enough for 1 domestic use so long as you don't have electric heating or cooking and so long as the rive is flowing reasonably well , the payback is about ten years so long as they aren't damaged in flooding in that time.

then you've got this sort of thing http://powerspout.com/ (ignoring the double entendre potential of the model at top right offering low head if you've only got a short drop) which can alledgedly power a house at "a site good enough" which if that's true offers better payback

They aren't however really a tenable thing for mass power production , that requires something a bit more pronouced generally either very steep inclines or dams
 
Oh well I'm off the Vegan Christmas card list, just got a phone call. seems I'm going to the zoo tomorrow before the rain sets in for the weekend :D
 
Gremlin said:
Oh well I'm off the Vegan Christmas card list, just got a phone call. seems I'm going to the zoo tomorrow before the rain sets in for the weekend :D
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Yep tomorrows looking to be the best day of the week-end. :thumbs:
 
Gremlin said:
Oh well I'm off the Vegan Christmas card list, just got a phone call. seems I'm going to the zoo tomorrow before the rain sets in for the weekend :D
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Btw I don't send Christmas cards...waste of paper and all that ;) (I'm serious though, I don't send any)
 
htid said:
Btw I don't send Christmas cards...waste of paper and all that ;) (I'm serious though, I don't send any)
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Well that I agree with (y)
 
viv1969 said:
Agreed.
Even I wouldn't make such a ridiculous comment.....and that's saying something :LOL:
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Seriously though, because we don't have meat for flavour we make use of a lot more spices and things than most meat eaters I've spoken to. But obviously it comes down to who is cooking. Last night I made samosas from scratch, roasting and grounding all my own spices...how many meat eaters bother with that? But as I say depends on the person.
 
I sent a "sternly worded" email to Howletts today.
Their current radio ad states that they have "the only baby Rhino in the UK".
Errr, no they don't :D
 
htid said:
Seriously though, because we don't have meat for flavour we make use of a lot more spices and things than most meat eaters I've spoken to. But obviously it comes down to who is cooking. Last night I made samosas from scratch, roasting and grounding all my own spices...how many meat eaters bother with that? But as I say depends on the person.
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Plenty of meat eaters bother with that.
 
viv1969 said:
Plenty of meat eaters bother with that.
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Another "let's agree to disagree" then ;) I believe you of course but neither of us can prove either way what % of vegan or non vegan food is adventurous.
 
htid said:
Seriously though, because we don't have meat for flavour we make use of a lot more spices and things than most meat eaters I've spoken to. But obviously it comes down to who is cooking. Last night I made samosas from scratch, roasting and grounding all my own spices...how many meat eaters bother with that? But as I say depends on the person.
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Us ominovores cook too , I generally make my own curry powder as its a lot more flavoursome (and less ludicrously hot) than shop bought curry powder, plus I've got a herb garden and make my own flavoured oils, butters and so forth.

End of the day some people cook , some people don't - its got nothing much to do with whether they eat meat
 
htid said:
Another "let's agree to disagree" then ;) I believe you of course but neither of us can prove either way what % of vegan or non vegan food is adventurous.
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True, but the difference is only one of us would be so all knowingly presumptuous as to make the initial sweeping statement.
 
big soft moose said:
Us ominovores cook too , I generally make my own curry powder as its a lot more flavoursome (and less ludicrously hot) than shop bought curry powder, plus I've got a herb garden and make my own flavoured oils, butters and so forth.

End of the day some people cook , some people don't - its got nothing much to do with whether they eat meat
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Stop that.
 
viv1969 said:
I sent a "sternly worded" email to Howletts today.
Their current radio ad states that they have "the only baby Rhino in the UK".
Errr, no they don't :D
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is that as in they don't have a baby rhino , or as in they do but so does somewhere else ?
 
viv1969 said:
True, but the difference is only one of us would be so all knowingly presumptuous as to make the initial sweeping statement.
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Well I maintain my position I just can't prove it. Look at the amount of shelf space dedicated to ready meals in supermarkets. That's fuelled by demand. You cant really get vegan ready meals (I accept that's because there are less vegans and less demand) so that forces us to cook everything ourselves.
 
big soft moose said:
Us ominovores cook too , I generally make my own curry powder as its a lot more flavoursome (and less ludicrously hot) than shop bought curry powder, plus I've got a herb garden and make my own flavoured oils, butters and so forth.

End of the day some people cook , some people don't - its got nothing much to do with whether they eat meat
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Homemade curry powder is so much better, more flavoursome, more fragrent and just generally nicer, that we can agree on!
 
htid said:
Well I maintain my position I just can't prove it. Look at the amount of shelf space dedicated to ready meals in supermarkets. That's fuelled by demand. You cant really get vegan ready meals (I accept that's because there are less vegans and less demand) so that forces us to cook everything ourselves.
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Even filthy meat eaters choose to cook for themselves.
And don't worry, folks are used to statements from vegans that they can't prove. ;)
 
viv1969 said:
Even filthy meat eaters choose to cook for themselves.
And don't worry, folks are used to statements from vegans that they can't prove. ;)
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You're right maybe lots do, but lots don't too.

Us vegans are used to off the cuff 'facts' that are actually incorrect too, so we're equal :D
 
htid said:
Well I maintain my position I just can't prove it. Look at the amount of shelf space dedicated to ready meals in supermarkets. That's fuelled by demand. You cant really get vegan ready meals (I accept that's because there are less vegans and less demand) so that forces us to cook everything ourselves.
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yeah but i don't eat that processed crap either... if you care about welfare standards or eating healthily you are pretty much obliged to cook for yourself

that said you can get vegan ready meals - our tesco stocks the "Amy's kitchen" ones ( I know this because one of my team members is a vegan and she has them for lunch sometimes)
 
htid said:
You're right maybe lots do, but lots don't too.
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Surely the same can be said of both.
You can't be saying that all vegans prepare yummy scrummy homemade hand ground meals exclusively?
 
big soft moose said:
yeah but i don't eat that processed crap either... if you care about welfare standards or eating healthily you are pretty much obliged to cook for yourself

that said you can get vegan ready meals - our tesco stocks the "Amy's kitchen" ones ( I know this because one of my team members is a vegan and she has them for lunch sometimes)
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Well, we will have to agree to disagree yet again, this time on higher welfare standards as they're generally a con, even the RSPCA supported farms. Not having a go there, just pointing that out in case you genuinely do care and want to find out for yourself.

Out of curiosity do you know which Amy's kitchen? Never seen anything vegan from them but never looked in detail, always seem to contain cheese.
 
viv1969 said:
Surely the same can be said of both.
You can't be saying that all vegans prepare yummy scrummy homemade hand ground meals exclusively?
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The vegans I know do, maybe not quite to the extent of grinding their own spices, but to making things from scratch. But I can't speak for all of us.
 
htid said:
The vegans I know do, maybe not quite to the extent of grinding their own spices, but to making things from scratch. But I can't speak for all of us.
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And yet you did.
 
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