Windows 11

inkiboo said:
I find it hilarious that people are still talking about Windows 7!
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Don't be shy in quoting, I don't bite ...
What's the point it fixing something that isn't broke?
 
I found the full(?) list of supported Intel processors................and AFAIK there appear to be some quite old ones, Pentiums :thinking: But my 1st Gen i5 Quad Core 760 is not on the list. Edit ~ oddly it is not even on the W10 listing :banghead: but it clearly works ;)

Oh, in regard to MS account vs not.................it is not 100% clear other than W11 Home must be MS account 'attached'

Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft account to complete device setup on first use.
Switching a device out of Windows 11 Home in S mode also requires internet connectivity. Learn more about S mode here.
For all Windows 11 editions, internet access is required to perform updates and to download and take advantage of some features. A Microsoft account is required for some features.
 
I am one the majority of PC users who can not move to Win 11, even though mine is less than five years old and otherwise we'll specified..
It seems that they are going to support win 10 for another five years at which time I will be 91 and probably not looking to buy another computer.
But so much for Microsoft suggesting that Windows 10 would be their last operating system, and be the basis of all future developments.
A clearly illogical idea. As change is inevitable.
 
Cobra said:
Don't be shy in quoting, I don't bite ...
What's the point it fixing something that isn't broke?
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Windows 7 was great, the key part being was. It was released 11 years ago and Windows 10 is a perfectly good OS.

Really hope no-one is still running 7 as unless you have a support agreement with Microsoft, you aren't getting updates.
 
As for the Microsoft account requirement, that will be the case for the Home editions but not Pro/Enterprise although by the time Windows 11 is rolled out by most, a fair chunk of people will be on Azure Active Directory.
 
inkiboo said:
Windows 7 was great, the key part being was. It was released 11 years ago and Windows 10 is a perfectly good OS.

Really hope no-one is still running 7 as unless you have a support agreement with Microsoft, you aren't getting updates.
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Like XP it soon won't be safe to use online.
If you don't go online with it or update any programs it can go on indefinitely.

I'll just quote this from Windows Forums - don't be messing around too deeply to get your computer compatible at this stage.
I discovered this applies to my laptop but I still have the problem of the intel chip they mysteriously think can't run it.
Roll out is still many weeks away for most so they will resolve most of these worries I expect.

If you currently have Windows 10 installed in Legacy BIOS, do not change that to UEFI just so you can check for Windows 11 compatibility, that will stop Windows 10 from booting, because your drive is MBR and it needs to be GPT for UEFI Bios
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saltireblue said:
I thought M'soft said 10 was going to be the last upgrade, and that all that would come in the future was bug fixes and security fixes as and when necessary?
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And you believed them???
 
Sky said:
Groan . . . they've finally got Win10 stable after its plethora of 'fixes' and now they want to start all over again with a bloody Apple emulator. :mad: :banghead:

Time to finally make a permanent move to Linux for me I think . . .
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I've been using Linux Mint for a couple of years now and for many things it beats Windows, but the best solution is the one I have - run almost everything in Virtual Machines - so much easier - or run Linux and Windows together.
 
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inkiboo said:
It was released 11 years ago and Windows 10 is a perfectly good OS.
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It seems stable enough now the early adopters have ironed out all the bugs, as I said I may think about switching, but then again maybe not..
Windows 11 if anything W10 is anything to go by, with all this new "stuff" will be a total joke for a couple of years ...
inkiboo said:
you aren't getting updates.
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All I'm interested in is the security up dates, and I get those regularly ( mostly daily)
definitions 07:57 today
updates 13:08 Today
 
Dryce said:
They have increasingly masked the facility to have a local account in W10 Home.

I suspect many people installing W10 Home end up being 'forced' to use a MS account because of the way they are directed during the install.
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During install look to the bottom left for the option ' i do not have internet' it then defaults to a local account. After warning about a limited 'experience' of course.
 
inkiboo said:
Windows 7 was great, the key part being was. It was released 11 years ago and Windows 10 is a perfectly good OS.

Really hope no-one is still running 7 as unless you have a support agreement with Microsoft, you aren't getting updates.
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I'm running Win 7 on some of my Virtual Machines and Windows Defender is still being updated regularly.
 
Cobra said:
I don't use light room, but I have CS5 on disc. I'm really glad I went for the disc option years ago, rather than going for the download option.
(y)
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You can still get FREE versions of CS2 quite legally:
www.techspot.com

Adobe Photoshop CS2

Photoshop CS2 pushes the envelope with powerful features and simplified workflows that provide photographers and creative professionals the freedom to deliver stunning images.
www.techspot.com www.techspot.com
And that site also gives the activation code.
Or if you want FREE PhotoShop (very old) I have a vid on my YT channel showing how to get it:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz01Shq_Hqc
 
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petersmart said:
You can still get FREE versions of CS2 quite legally:
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I have CS3 on a disc from many years ago, plus of course the afore mentioned CS5.
 
petersmart said:
You can still get FREE versions of CS2 quite legally:
Or if you want FREE PhotoShop (very old) I have a vid on my YT channel showing how to get it:
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For PS7 you're basically just saying pirate it. It was never made freely available by Adobe. CS2 was made available for download, but this was only intended for licensed users. The original Adobe page is mirrored here:

Download Acrobat 7 and CS2 products

Download links for Acrobat 7 and Creative Suite 2 applicaitons.
web.archive.org web.archive.org
It may or may not work under Windows 10 - it kept crashing before doing anything useful the last time I tried it.
Cobra said:
I have CS3 on a disc from many years ago, plus of course the afore mentioned CS5.
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CS3 also won't install from disc without the activation servers, so you'd need a copy of one of the activation-free installers that are much harder to find than the CS2 versions, or some dodgy hack.
 
Retune said:
CS3 also won't install from disc without the activation servers, so you'd need a copy of one of the activation-free installers that are much harder to find than the CS2 versions, or some dodgy hack.
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As before I'm now on CS5 so I may sell the cs3 disc for a couple of grand (y)

:D
 
Cobra said:
As before I'm now on CS5 so I may sell the cs3 disc for a couple of grand (y)

:D
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People are still flogging CS3&4 for hundreds on ebay. They're going to have some pretty disappointed customers!
 
Cobra said:
It seems stable enough now the early adopters have ironed out all the bugs, as I said I may think about switching, but then again maybe not..
Windows 11 if anything W10 is anything to go by, with all this new "stuff" will be a total joke for a couple of years ...

All I'm interested in is the security up dates, and I get those regularly ( mostly daily)
definitions 07:57 today
updates 13:08 Today
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Past January 2020, you no longer get Windows 7 security updates. That is different to Defender updates.

For instance, many banks have stopped you logging in from Windows 7 because it is no longer guaranteed secure.

Also, Windows 10 has been out for quite some time. Practically every corporate in the world has moved to it, other than some specific uses. Stability is not an issue.
 
inkiboo said:
Past January 2020, you no longer get Windows 7 security updates. That is different to Defender updates.

For instance, many banks have stopped you logging in from Windows 7 because it is no longer guaranteed secure.

Also, Windows 10 has been out for quite some time. Practically every corporate in the world has moved to it, other than some specific uses. Stability is not an issue.
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Well both my bank accounts have no problem with me logging in from Windows 7.
 
inkiboo said:
That is different to Defender updates.
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Works for me (y)

inkiboo said:
For instance, many banks have stopped you logging in from Windows 7
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My bank stopped me from logging in with Opera, claiming that wasn't secure, sometime ago, FF wasn't a problem ..
However if they do block W7 in the future my local branch is 5 mins in the car, if they shut the local branch (its been there 50 years to my knowledge)
Then the very large main branch is 10 mins in the car.
I'm always happy to chat to a cashier. So tech is not the be all and end all, of life as we know it.

inkiboo said:
Stability is not an issue.
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As I said, it seems OK now, the 1st 2 years were a nightmare though.
( you only have to read through a lot of threads on here, other forums and general person to person chat.)
As before, there are lots of things that people must have,/ want as far as tech goes,
most of which I have no need for, I never fix what isn't broken.
 
Cobra said:
Works for me (y)


My bank stopped me from logging in with Opera, claiming that wasn't secure, sometime ago, FF wasn't a problem ..
However if they do block W7 in the future my local branch is 5 mins in the car, if they shut the local branch (its been there 50 years to my knowledge)
Then the very large main branch is 10 mins in the car.
I'm always happy to chat to a cashier. So tech is not the be all and end all, of life as we know it.


As I said, it seems OK now, the 1st 2 years were a nightmare though.
( you only have to read through a lot of threads on here, other forums and general person to person chat.)
As before, there are lots of things that people must have,/ want as far as tech goes,
most of which I have no need for, I never fix what isn't broken.
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You are arguing against using an operating system that is almost certainly a free upgrade, and your machine will almost certainly run, because it would be easier to physically go to the bank rather than use online banking?

If that’s your position then enjoy Windows 7!
 
inkiboo said:
You are arguing against using an operating system that is almost certainly a free upgrade, and your machine will almost certainly run, because it would be easier to physically go to the bank rather than use online banking?

If that’s your position then enjoy Windows 7!
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TBH I'm not even sure why I have been justifying my life choices to a complete stranger, especially one who's responses are filled with so much negativity :(
 
Cobra said:
TBH I'm not even sure why I have been justifying my life choices to a complete stranger, especially one who's responses are filled with so much negativity :(
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Then don’t.

The negativity here is you towards a perfectly good operating system, for reasons I genuinely don’t understand. As I said, enjoy Windows 7.
 
There are many different OS we can use and all have their different advantages, Linux is compact and Linux Mint is almost like Windows.
I personally like Win 7 but most modern machines are now EFI so Win 10 is the obvious choice for them.
And on my 128GB HP Z840 machine Win 10 allows me to boot in using an NVME on an adaptor plugged in to the PCIe slot, which I cannot do in Win 7.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
I am one the majority of PC users who can not move to Win 11, even though mine is less than five years old and otherwise we'll specified..
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Do you know which generation CPU your PC is using?
Just in case you are not sure, have look in control panel / system, the first digit with CPU will be generation.
 
Cobra said:
What's the point it fixing something that isn't broke?
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Too be honest Win 7 is my favourite version to date.
It just worked and no silly networking issues.
When I bought a laptop it came with Win 8.1 which was eventually upgraded to Win 10.
Now I have different laptop running Win 10.
When I built my desktop, the previous one ran Win 7 for a good 10 years.
 
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Maybe this one will be enough to win some windows 7 users over. Live tiles are out, frosted glass is in.

For me I have an xbox, desktop and surface tablet. I have game pass too, so the xbox integration and direct storage interest me.

Likewise the improved window handling for multimonitor on my PC and orientation changes for my tablet.

By chance I've just dropped a Ryzen 3800XT in my old X370 motherboard so I do actually have TPM 2.0 now. I have to enable it in the bios just now to get the compatibility checker to give the green light. I'm already dual booting Kali linux in UEFI mode so should be good to go when this is released.
 
hashcake said:
Too be honest Win 7 is my favourite version to date.
It just worked and no silly networking issues.
When I bought a laptop it came with Win 8.1 which was eventually upgraded to Win 10.
Now I have different laptop running Win 10.
When I built my desktop, the previous one ran Win 7 for a good 10 years.
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What network issues did you have with Windows 10?
 
inkiboo said:
What network issues did you have with Windows 10?
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Copy and paste from my previous post.

I hope they fix the network problems with Win 11.
1 x PC and 1 X Laptop bothe running Win10 10 Pro.
Network in file explorer, the desktop can see and access the laptop but the laptop can not access the desktop.
Thankfully both machines can see my 2 NAS boxes on the network and the mapped network drives.
I've tried every fix the netork issues but nothing solves the problem and I'm not prepared format and doing a fresh install on both machines.

There has been chatter about MS stopping the Home version of direct network access and to only use mapped network drives.
However, I don't think there has been directly said by MS.

After having a chat to a friend who is also using the same generation i5 in one of his machines as mine, turns out that auto update for the desktop had been switched off.
I assumed it was because the CPU was too old.
So I've updated Win 10 and guess what?
The nerwork issue is still there.
Out of curiousity, I turned off SMB 1 on both machines (this was an issue with a previous Win 10 update) and although all devices can see each other on the network, my laptop still can't access the desktop.

Network troubleshooter reports:
Windows can't communicate with the device or resource (DAZ-PC). The computer or service you are trying to reach might be temporarily unavailable. If the device or resource is nearby and you have access to it, make sure it is turned on and connected to the network.
 
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Map the network drive by IP and use the user name as ipaddress\username. It’s to do with it trying the username you are logged in as to connect to the new machine.

Browsing network drives hasn’t worked properly since XP. Always easier to direct connect.
 
inkiboo said:
Map the network drive by IP and use the user name as ipaddress\username. It’s to do with it trying the username you are logged in as to connect to the new machine.
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Already done that

inkiboo said:
Browsing network drives hasn’t worked properly since XP. Always easier to direct connect.
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I've heard that said before but up until a few months ago I hadn't experienced the problem.
 
Meh.

Win11 or Win10h222 - it doesn't really matter what they call it. It's freeish software you need (unless you use another brand). It's been updated in ways that are mostly good (fixing bugs). often about money (sending you adverts / coercing you to buy a new computer as reqs get higher) and usually irritating. All the cosmetic ones will be skinned - I'm almost certain you can make Win10 look like Win 3.11 if you want.

Options are
  1. Install it
  2. Don't install it and accept there's an increasing risk that your fave app won't run / you get your machine hacked because there are well know exploits and the way to fix them is upgrade
  3. Switch to Apple who have been doing this stuff for years (OSX looks like being their "last" OS - it's been out for 20 years now but they physically prevent you upgrading some hardware to dot releases of it)
  4. Get Linux or something - accept that you will spend a bunch of time either not running the s/w you want or bragging about running Linux :D (usually both....)
 
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