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admirable said:
Just checked out your homepage, there's a window link to twitter videochat, swearwords 'n all.

Not the kind of thing required to promote business methinks?

Or I might be wrong.

http://www.carlspringphotography.co.uk/Carl_Spring_Photography/Home.html
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True, but was posted by a fellow tog who has same on his site if your referring to the video, you have to admit the vid is pretty accurate.

The only set of potential clients it may offend I suppose are the people who want dog portraits, and I am separating my sites up and full redesign as we speak.

Thanks for bringing it to my attention, will have to watch my twitter language.
 
Okay, I've taken a look at the voting and the shot that's in second place defintitely isn't a candid shot, the photographer even says he asked the subject to pose! :shake:

At present there are too many tied for the third place to award the prize, so if things remain as they are the options are...

1) Do a second round of voting, with those entries that got less than the third place number of votes and those that are obviously not candids, removed

or 2) I pick the winners, either from the over all entry pool or from those left after number 1
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Okay, I've taken a look at the voting and the shot that's in second place defintitely isn't a candid shot, the photographer even says he asked the subject to pose! :shake:

At present there are too many tied for the third place to award the prize, so if things remain as they are the options are...

1) Do a second round of voting, with those entries that got less than the third place number of votes and those that are obviously not candids, removed

or 2) I pick the winners, either from the over all entry pool or from those left after number 1
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Does that means im going to be out even though I think I have a pretty good candid and funny shot which no one voted for? :shrug:

Maybe get rid of the ones with zero votes, then short list the rest?
 
The votes in general are pretty low and removing any of those below the current third place level would only eliminate those entries with zero or one vote, so that plus removing any obvious non-candid shots would seem to be the fairest way, assuming their aren't three clear winners.
 
Iv only got one vote :'(

People please take a look at all the pics and place your votes for the best "CANDID" within the meaning posted in the thread. Still time left to vote!
 
ding76uk said:
True, but was posted by a fellow tog who has same on his site if your referring to the video, you have to admit the vid is pretty accurate.

The only set of potential clients it may offend I suppose are the people who want dog portraits, and I am separating my sites up and full redesign as we speak.

Thanks for bringing it to my attention, will have to watch my twitter language.
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Nope, never watched any video.

Just click on your homepage and wait for the second post to come up in the red box.
 
admirable said:
Nope, never watched any video.

Just click on your homepage and wait for the second post to come up in the red box.
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Ah yeah the Kevin Smith Post. If you do search my twitter there is a very funny vid on there as long as your not adverse to swearing.

Didn't think too hard into it, but will have to be careful with that. Hmmm might take it off and let people follow me if they like. Also clean up act time coming.
 
This wont be popular, but how about removing the prize aspect completely and lets see who wins? Save the prize for another competition if you want to do another that is :lol:
 
Well this whole thing is daft.

Ive never come across such a dis-jointed comp.People complaining and even begging for votes....sad!

The options are simple:

1: Flash picks his favourite/s and awards his generous prize to whomever he sees fit and for reasons known soley to him....it is after all his preogative.

2: Change the theme to "funniest wedding shots" as there is a complete breakdown of what people actually percieve candid to mean.

Ive been taking pictures long enough to know what a candid,unprompted,un-staged and non-directed shot is....it seems strange to me that the obvious is so blured.

Heres a wiki definition

"Candid photography is best described as un-posed and UNPLANNED, immediate and unobtrusive. This is in contrast to classic photography, which includes aspects such as carefully staged portrait photography, landscape photography or object photography. Candid photography catches moments of life from immersion in it.

Candid photography is opposed to the stalking involved in animal photography, sports photography or photographic journalistic intrusion, which all have a focus on getting distant objects photographed, e.g. by using telephoto lenses. Candid photography's setup includes a photographer who is there with the "subjects" to be photographed, close, and not hidden. People photographed on candid shots either IGNORE or ACCEPT the close presence of the photographer's camera without deliberately posing or acting up.
 
Vulkan75 said:
Well if you have done one or both of those things................you yourself will know ;)
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Well I havent begged for votes but encouraged all members to vote for the best candid pic... Just quick question have you entered the comp? If not how about offering FITP to short list the massive collection of images to final top 10 or 3 within the correct defination of candid?
 
I have entered mate.

People are getting the idea that a candid photo is some kind of photography with a spy cam,voyuer quality to it.........Its not that AT-ALL!

Its about capturing off the cuff,naturally occuring situations from everyday life....people who are doing things naturally without prompt and not just because a camera is present.

Its not like its rocket science:bang:
 
I believe my picture falls within the defination of candid... I havent seen your image will have a look but would you agree my picture falls within the correct defination? I am curious to know.
 
Vulkan75 said:
People photographed on candid shots either IGNORE or ACCEPT the close presence of the photographer's camera without deliberately posing or acting up.
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I think that is the important bit of the explanation, there are some really nice shots here but its obvious the subjects are acting up for the camera. I'm not going to point out which ones because its not fair, and the problem is its extremely difficult to decide in some cases :)
 
admirable said:
There's one at every wedding! A little gem she was!

Looking for more confetti.

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Love that, great shot.

:clap:
 
Thanks, her mum was standing just to the right, out of shot.
 
BalSanghera said:
I believe my picture falls within the defination of candid... I havent seen your image will have a look but would you agree my picture falls within the correct defination? I am curious to know.
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Vulkan75 said:
yes. I think it does.
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If you had said no, I would of voluntary withdrawn from the competition and offered to short list the images...
 
I've resisted adding my 2p to this just for FITP's sanity! However, as Graham has now suggested some ways of bringing this to a conclusion hopefully my comments are appropriate...

- I don't think it's right to change the theme of the competition at this late stage - as someone had suggested.
- I think either of graham's two suggestions would work equally well.

Oh and admirable, I love your shot, it's extremely cute and would surely make the album. Candid, yes, but it makes me go "awwww" not "lol", so maybe with the criteria being 'funny candid shot' it may not fill all criteria?

Just my tuppence...
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Okay, I've taken a look at the voting and the shot that's in second place defintitely isn't a candid shot, the photographer even says he asked the subject to pose! :shake:

At present there are too many tied for the third place to award the prize, so if things remain as they are the options are...

1) Do a second round of voting, with those entries that got less than the third place number of votes and those that are obviously not candids, removed

or 2) I pick the winners, either from the over all entry pool or from those left after number 1
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If I were running this comp (and I'm so glad I'm not! :lol:), as the organiser I'd pick the winners myself from all the entries that I personally felt met the brief.

But it's your competition chap - I, for one, appreciate you taking the time to organise it and donate the prizes out of your own pocket, and it's a shame that it all seems to have come down to controversy :(
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Okay, I've taken a look at the voting and the shot that's in second place defintitely isn't a candid shot, the photographer even says he asked the subject to pose! :shake:
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Ive only just noticed this after nicks post.

Checking the votes that makes it my shot your refering too.Now without starting another controversy or teaching grandma to suck eggs,I completely disagree with you that it is not a candid shot."

Some context:.

This little 6yr girl was sitting on her own on a stool by a fruit machine watching the adults party and have fun.
She was already sat in a natural way and I neither asked her to pose or sit or act in any particular way.

When I asked to take her picture she of course accepted my presence but in no way was her reaction acting up or posing for the camera,she was not directed by me or influenced whatsoever.It was a completely off the cuff,spontaneous funny reaction that she couldnt possibley realise what she had done.It was at that point that I pressed the shutter.

Candid..............it screams candid,whether its the funniest is a different matter;)
 
Vulkan75 said:
Ive only just noticed this after nicks post.

Checking the votes that makes it my shot your refering too.Now without starting another controversy or teaching grandma to suck eggs,I completely disagree with you that it is not a candid shot."

Some context:.

This little 6yr girl was sitting on her own on a stool by a fruit machine watching the adults party and have fun.
She was already sat in a natural way and I neither asked her to pose or sit or act in any particular way.

When I asked to take her picture she of course accepted my presence but in no way was her reaction acting up or posing for the camera,she was not directed by me or influenced whatsoever.It was a completely off the cuff,spontaneous funny reaction that she couldnt possibley realise what she had done.It was at that point that I pressed the shutter.

Candid..............it screams candid,whether its the funniest is a different matter;)
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candid shot in other words means without them realising

you have asked her so it is not candid this is what they are saying

for example you catch a funny moment but people dont realise you have taken the shot this is classed as a candid shot but if you ask them it is not
 
Vulkan75 said:
When I asked to take her picture

Candid..............it screams candid,whether its the funniest is a different matter;)
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I disagree, the very fact that you asked to take her picture means that it wasn't candid - in it's true sense a candid photograph is one where the subject is not aware that the photograph has been taken, otherwise just about every photograph that has a person as it's main subject could be considered "candid"....
 
wegotitugetit said:
candid shot in other words means without them realising

you have asked her so it is not candid this is what they are saying

for example you catch a funny moment but people dont realise you have taken the shot this is classed as a candid shot but if you ask them it is not
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Not strictly true, I shoot candids, the people I shoot know I'm going to shoot them, but they are so immersed in their world for one reason or another they get on with their life while I get shots.

This has produced some great shots for me, and is still candid by definition.
 
Vulkan75 said:
Then you need to refer to your wiki definition you posted,as you seem to think candid means "not aware of".

Thats not the defintion.

The candor is in the actions of the subject.
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In general, as far as photography goes, that's what it does mean. Otherwise, every photograph taken by the paparazzi or the news togs is candid
 
PerfectSpeed said:
Not strictly true, I shoot candids, the people I shoot know I'm going to shoot them, but they are so immersed in their world for one reason or another they get on with their life while I get shots.

This has produced some great shots for me, and is still candid by definition.
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What he said also^^

First line of wiki def....."Candid photography is photography that focuses on spontaneity rather than technique, on the immersion of a camera within events rather than focusing on setting up a staged situation or on preparing a lengthy camera setup".

And also from a sunsequent paragraph

"People photographed on candid shots either IGNORE or ACCEPT the close presence of the photographer's camera without posing".
 
Amuses me how many people seem to base "beliefs" and have trust in Wiki when anyone can edit them!!
 
Some professional photographers develop candid photography into an art form. Henri Cartier-Bresson might be considered the master of the art of candid photography, capturing the "decisive moment" in everyday life over a span of several decades. Arthur Fellig, better known as Weegee, was one of the great photographers to document life in the streets of New York to often capture life — and death — at their rawest edges. Almost all successful photographers in the field of candid photography master the art of making people relax and feel at ease around the camera, they master the art of blending in at parties, of finding acceptance despite an obvious intrusive element - the camera. This is certainly true for most celebrity photographers, such as René Burri, Raeburn Flerlage or Murray Garrett.

It could be argued that candid photography is the purest form of photojournalism. There is a fine line between photojournalism and candid photography, a line that was blurred by photographers such as Bresson and Weegee. Photojournalism often sets out to tell a story in images, whereas candid photography simply captures people living an event.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candid_photography
 
PerfectSpeed said:
Not strictly true, I shoot candids, the people I shoot know I'm going to shoot them, but they are so immersed in their world for one reason or another they get on with their life while I get shots.

This has produced some great shots for me, and is still candid by definition.
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Yes, but they still don't know when a particular shot has been taken or when the camera is trained in them in particular.In the example that is being discussed currently, not only does the subject know that they are being photographed (having been asked for permission), but they are looking directly at the camera and interacting with it.
 
Vulkan75 said:
What he said also^^

First line of wiki def....."Candid photography is photography that focuses on spontaneity rather than technique, on the immersion of a camera within events rather than focusing on setting up a staged situation or on preparing a lengthy camera setup".

And also from a sunsequent paragraph

"People photographed on candid shots either IGNORE or ACCEPT the close presence of the photographer's camera without posing".
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And how does a shot of someone looking directly into the camera and smiling fit in with that last quote? :shrug:
 
PerfectSpeed said:
Not strictly true, I shoot candids, the people I shoot know I'm going to shoot them, but they are so immersed in their world for one reason or another they get on with their life while I get shots.

This has produced some great shots for me, and is still candid by definition.
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yes that is what im saying otherwise no one would win

all people in the shots here knew there would be some one taking photos

this is candid , where you catch them off guard asking is not candid
 
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