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I had to drive for about 1/4 hour down the twisties before I could safely turn around and go back.
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Aye, aye, ‘had’ to drive down the twisties! I‘ve used that excuse too but she asks”do you need to go so quick?”
If I was in my MX5 then it would have been a nice drive but I was in the practical Hyundai Getz hatch back which isn't really built with twisties in mind. Still a nice car though
I suppose it could have still been an enjoyable drive but I wanted to get there to try a new toy before deciding to buy or not so I wasn't chuffed at getting lost. Plus Mrs WW is a passenger seat driver and criticises me non stop so being lost is just another thing to witter on about.
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I don't spend a lot of time on twitter but I do like the funny animal videos and the like but it's just too easy on there to see... bad things... and I saw some appalling anti JK Rowling stuff, really bad taste stuff about assaulting and stabbing her in the wake of the Salman Rushdie attack. So, I reported it to twitter and today I got an email to say that the tweet didn't break their rules.
Strange how criticising the mutilation of childrens sex organs or believing that women exist gets you banned from that cess pit of a site but joking about stabbing a woman in tweet after tweet while your followers egg you on is just fine and dandy.
Sickening.
Strange how criticising the mutilation of childrens sex organs or believing that women exist gets you banned from that cess pit of a site but joking about stabbing a woman in tweet after tweet while your followers egg you on is just fine and dandy.
Sickening.
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Staggering that any posts about 'violence' of any sort are 'within the rules' and Elon Musk wants to make it a bastion of open & free speech even more than it is
PS it was my understanding that in most/many judicial Systems "incitement to violence" was illegal.......it seems I was wrong! Or is that just on the internet?
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Staggering that any posts about 'violence' of any sort are 'within the rules' and Elon Musk wants to make it a bastion of open & free speech even more than it is
PS it was my understanding that in most/many judicial Systems "incitement to violence" was illegal.......it seems I was wrong! Or is that just on the internet?
I think the problem is that the rules are not applied equally. People who post the right sort of hate are allowed to continue but those who criticise the narrative are banned for posting undeniable scientific truth or simply quoting what some extremist nut job has already posted. At the moment the narrative is that JKR is a transphobe despite no one seemingly being able to produce any even half convincing evidence. As she is in the eyes of twitter a transphobe the deluge of death and rape threats and fantasies against her are not against community rules.
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Amazing isn't it. I've forgotten where the thread was but three of us were lambasted for basically having the same opinion as JKRowling, Dr Kathleen Stock and Maya Forstater in the context of women's safe spaces. I'm sure I mentioned the vitriol that JKR received. Just a reminder re Forstater. She was a researcher with the Centre for Global Development, a think tank, who sacked her for stating the blindingly obvious..that transgender women could not change their biological sex. She won her case for unfair dismissal but only on appeal. Dr Kathleen Stock resigned from from the University of Sussex (Brighton campus) for expressing the same views after some students put up posters and graffiti and called for her resignation. She said "This has been an absolutely horrible time for me and my family. I’m putting it behind me now. On to brighter things soon, I hope.” The students should have been suspended not her having to resign.
WW makes a very good point when he says..and my bold...."I think the problem is that the rules are not applied equally. People who post the right sort of hate are allowed to continue. " ....etc..
I appreciate he's saying so in the context of Twitter but what he's referring to can be found elsewhere on the Net.
In addition to criticism of people, like the three I've named above, for expressing their views..it's not even a view is it.....it's a fact..we have the other madness that goes hand in hand with it..gender-neutral terms which most people find bewildering .A new one seems to appear each week. Maybe I'm missing something. When a self-ID trans-women dresses as a women,aims to speak like one, adopt the mannerisms of women etc then won't people refer to them as 'she' or 'her' anyway ? Isn't that what they want ? If someone told me a person in the room was a trans-women I'd refer to that person as 'she' or 'her'. Regarding recent criticism, I do apologise for using Goggle but I don't know what percentage of trans- people there are in the UK. It turns out that there is no data on the matter. An estimate puts the figure at 1%. So.. the trans-lobby, a vociferous bunch of misguided ideologues, want the language changed to accommodate 1% of the population.
This phrase is my own. I haven't purloined it from anyone .These people pursuing this agenda (those WW refers to) should be driven into the ground like tent pegs. I'm generally measured in what I post but I can't adequately express the antipathy I have towards this movement without falling foul of TP rules..so I won't.
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I think a lot of it on line comes down to the political divides in the USA that make ours look petty and non existent. At it's worst I think that what we're seeing on line is not just a threat to free speech but to democracy or perhaps even the whole western way of life but thank Gosh twitter and facebook aren't the world.
The wife's electric toothbrush stopped working, didn't recharge.
The cistern in the loo isn't flushing properly, water still going back into the bowl - we live in a hard water area.
TV remote control has been possessed by demons, was going mad, now doesn't work at all.
Went to make bread, started off by activating the yeast (Dated to 02/24) in tepid water. Half an hour later nothing seems to be happening.
This all started at 7.30 this morning.
I an totally knackered and frustrated already.
The cistern in the loo isn't flushing properly, water still going back into the bowl - we live in a hard water area.
TV remote control has been possessed by demons, was going mad, now doesn't work at all.
Went to make bread, started off by activating the yeast (Dated to 02/24) in tepid water. Half an hour later nothing seems to be happening.
This all started at 7.30 this morning.
I an totally knackered and frustrated already.
I was banned from t***ter early last year, after saying that nobody can change sex. I had asked countless people what JKR had said that was transphobic - nada, nil. Some people linked to a two page essay which contained no quotes from JKR. I have read the so called hate speak from JKR and it is simply biological fact.
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I've never seen anything from JKR that I'd consider even remotely transphobic, not to anyone with a functioning brain.
I have mixed feelings on the transitioning issue.
I used to often see a "woman" in Middlesbrough town centre who was very obviously a man who had dressed as a woman and not transitioned in any other visible physical way apart from wearing women's clothing. I very largely do believe that we should all live as we want as long as we don't harm others and I have no issue with the life choices of others if they don't affect me or others in any significant way but he went on to commit sex offenses and IMO is a danger to... well... pretty much everyone. That individual may be the exception rather than the rule but it is a fact that people like that do exist and measures do need to be taken to protect vulnerable people from them. However, transsexuals may well be vulnerable if limited to using men's spaces.
Whilst being in Thailand I saw ladyboys who to me were pretty much indistinguishable from women and I only knew they were ladyboys because Mrs WW told me. Mrs WW can usually or even possibly always spot them but I can not. What eats at my mind is that a person like that, slight build, very feminine looking, attractive and even sexy could be in real and predictable danger if using men's spaces in the UK so that sort of individual needs to be catered for too.
It is very probably a minefield and arguably made more dangerous by social contagion.
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All that is commonly known as a cluster f***,
I hope your day gets better
With the wife in that mood?
Sorry. He's got no chance.
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This is a contentious issue because the word "sex" doesn't appear to be legally defined.
I was taught that, bologically, a human with a "Y" chromosome is male, otherwise they are female. Unfortunately, this is too simple for some people to accept.
To be clear: I don't really care how people present, provided they show respect for others and are honest about their biology, where it is relevant.
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As I’m sure you know, there are quite a lot of animal species that can and do change functioning sex through their life. Obviously they don’t change their chromosomes so it’s a question of reproductive function that is taken to define their sex — big
There are of course a lot of species that don’t use the XX XY system anyway and sometimes the homozygous animals are the males.
And then there is sex determined by temperature of incubation …
Seems no end to it but it boils down to big gamete vs little gamete:
Male, female – ah, what’s the difference?
What is a male? What is a female? If you were to conduct a survey, most people would probably have little difficulty expressing some fundamental differences. After all, we learn to tell boys apart from…
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But no one is really interested in the sex life of some birds, reptiles amphibians and fish,
That are able to change sex ( sub?) consciously to protect the survival of the species.
These can still breed.
The discussion here is about homosapians.
Yes there are a few anomalies such as hermaphrodites, that have allegedly gone on to breed.
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As I’m sure you know, there are quite a lot of animal species that can and do change functioning sex through their life. Obviously they don’t change their chromosomes so it’s a question of reproductive function that is taken to define their sex — big
There are of course a lot of species that don’t use the XX XY system anyway and sometimes the homozygous animals are the males.
And then there is sex determined by temperature of incubation …
Seems no end to it but it boils down to big gamete vs little gamete:
Male, female – ah, what’s the difference?
What is a male? What is a female? If you were to conduct a survey, most people would probably have little difficulty expressing some fundamental differences. After all, we learn to tell boys apart from…
I think articles like that just confuse people and maybe that's the point. Humans are not crocodiles or sea horses so what happens in their worlds isn't fully applicable if applicable at all but fully functioning biological men dressed as women at one end of the spectrum and seemingly female ladyboys at the other and how they act and the services and spaces they use are things we need to think about.
I remember being served by a very beautiful young lady in a shop in Thailand and being surprised when Mrs WW said "Ladyboy." I couldn't believe it. Would an individual like that be safe using men's spaces in the UK?
I don't have the answers but I do think that a small percentage of people and their needs do have to be taken into consideration whilst some others possibly need a more focused and personal assessment and help.
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I was responding, helpfully I hoped, to @Andrew Flannigan ’s point about the possible absence of a legal definition of “sex”.
BTW I find it surprising that you say it’s so difficult discerning (let’s call them) XY men passing (I don’t mean this in a derogatory sense) as women. They seem mostly to be obviously “male” in their facial features to me — of course it’s hard to be certain of these things but time and again I’ve seen a photo of someone described as a woman and thought “hang on” and read further and found I was correct. This is definitely not ‘scientific’!
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How can I say this without being overly sexist... I don't know so I'll just say it but please keep in mind that I tend to be liberal in view and by that I mean live and let live...
Facial features do differ between individuals so I can't say that that is always the deciding factor. Certainly I've known men with facial features that I thought were more towards the feminine range and vice versa. The ladyboys I've seen in Thailand look feminine and have... lets say... female "attributes" such as female shaped bodies and curves and look as if they've been on hormones for years. Mrs WW has pictures of ladyboys she knows and to me they are convincing. I know that "passing" for female isn't the be all and end all and that someone could genuinely identify as female whilst having a recognisably very male physique.
One point here is that even without any ill intent or any harmful reason for wanting to access women's spaces and with only genuine motives a biological man looking very male but identifying as female could cause concern and upset in women's spaces and equally a very feminine looking biological man could be in predictable danger of suffering distress or injury when using men's spaces.
Ignoring convincing eastern ladyboys on hormones for a while and sticking to the western world and Caucasian people transitioning, I can't say that I have any experience other than seeing the occasional person in the street who looks like a man in a dress but of course I may not notice any individual who is more convincing. Years ago I had a GF who had a bit of a thing for transsexuals and she had quite a collection of images and all were to me convincing and they must have been on hormones for quite some time to achieve that look but of course some of the look could have been achieved post capture if not with just hairstyle and makeup.
I think it's a minefield but I do think that we as a society need to both protect people from predators taking advantage of an opportunity and also make provision for people with genuine need who would pose no real threat to anyone.
BTW. The way Mrs WW identifies ladyboys isn't by the shape of their face or their curves, it's by the size and shape and look of their shoulders and hands. She does have lady friends who I think have more masculine features but they are in fact real ladies. One friend in particular has quite an angular face I'd imagine seeing in a northern pub if it wasn't for the lack of stubble but she is deffo a woman, and despite what I've just said about the shape of her face she is IMO beautiful.
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Blaire White is a transwoman (born male) who is standing up to the trans activists in the US. Blaire knows that she is male, and she is dead against transing children.
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I've read some of her articles and tweets and I had no idea of her biological sex.
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I would imagine the prescence of an Adam's Apple would also be a giveaway sign? Or does that disappear if hormones are taken for a longer time?
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I agree with that in full.
Arguing that examples from other species with different genotypes and phenotypes are relevant to this discussion is invalid. The only thing that matters is human behaviour and biology.
If the majority of XX females are made unhappy by the presence of XY "females" in toilets or competing at sports with them, then that majority have an absolute right, in my opinion, to say "no".
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None too sure that is 100% a definitive guide....
Some many years ago at a company I worked for I needed to discuss something with a female manager is a separate department. When I phoned her, the voice on the other end was deeper than mine (which is close to Bass range) that rather threw me.....suffice to say IIRC she did not have an Adams apple and was a woman in perhaps her mid 40's with no impression that she was anything other what she was! Conversely though not as pronounced in regard to vocal range, I have come across men whose voices are quite 'light' and some have a noticeable Adams apple.
So on the face of it not a hard & fast rule based on that anatomical feature.
Though extremely rare....
What about XXY women like that black SA athlete, genetically and anatomically female but with some expressed male characteristics. She was given a hard time due to her genetics & hormonal differences???
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The only male to female trans that I have knowingly met and work with, didn't have an adams apple, that I could see.
I've no idea if that was down to hormone replacement or not, I didn't ask
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Usually face is the only available feature in news photos etc. I would expect that’s right about the shoulders etc - that’s what all the fuss around athletics is about: that XY (to simplify) people who have gone through male puberty acquire a male physicality that can’t be reversed with hormones and so have an advantage over XX people Regardless of their current hormone levels.
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Perhaps, that's because "she" is biologically a he. There's more about Klinefelter Syndrome here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome
I think the IOC/IAAF really messed up with the Caster Semenya situation. They knew since 2009 that CS was a 46 XY DSD (difference of sexual development). Many women athletes realised what was going on, after all, CS was hardly trying, they were winning races far too easily. I think it all came to a head in 2016 at the Rio Olympics, when all three nedal winners in the women's 800m had the same 46 XY DSD - Caster Semenya, Francine Niyonsaba and Margaret Wambui - that is not coincidence. So, the IOC drew up new rules to exclude these athletes and others like them from track events from 400m to 1 mile, which IMHO is an admission that these athletes have an advantage over females. The result is that Francine Niyonsaba of Burundi now holds every women's national record from 400m to 10,000m, including a World Record at 2,000m. The 2,000m record was astonishing for all the wrong reasons.
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The only male to female trans that I have knowingly met and work with, didn't have an adams apple, that I could see.
I've no idea if that was down to hormone replacement or not, I didn't ask
Usually removed (or significantly reduced) by surgery.
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I honestly don't know. Perhaps the age at which people start to take hormones affects some of the more obviously male developments but that brings into question what is an appropriate age to decide these things and also if the individual is in a fit state to decide these things. In some areas of the west the number of girls deciding that they're in the wrong body has apparently increased several thousand fold which could point towards social contagion rather than true intent to transition.
For anyone interested in the more damaging side to this Irreversible Damage by Abigale Shrier may be worth a read. Of course in the UK we have the Tavistock affair with a possible class action lawsuit pending.
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15 minutes before the end of the Manchester United- Liverpool game earlier this evening (9.35pm) my wife told me that a kid had just pushed over our green wheelie bin which was out on the grass verge. I went out to it after full time..of course..He'd pushed it and the lid end fell into the road. Sometimes a good deed repays you. Earlier,as I put the 2/3 full bin out I saw that my next door but one neighbour had a full bag of grass cuttings mixed with a lot of his front garden palm tree fronds. He put astro-turf down in his back garden 
and it wasn't worth paying £45 a year for a wheelie bin collection to put his front lawn cuttings in so his daughter collects the large bag and puts the cuttings and whatever else in hers. She lives about a mile or so away. When I saw it on his drive I took my wheelie bin to it and emptied the full bag into our wheelie bin. I had to push down hard to get it all in. They're very 'springy' these fronds. If I hadn't done that most of my content would have spilled out onto the road. As it was just a few fronds and dead leaves spilled out. The fronds had jammed everything under them.
What sort of mentality does someone have to do that ? Ours was the only wheelie bin he pushed over. My wife said he was walking along the footpath and his mate was riding alongside on a bike. We don't usully suffer vandalism like that. It has happened before but very seldom.
and it wasn't worth paying £45 a year for a wheelie bin collection to put his front lawn cuttings in so his daughter collects the large bag and puts the cuttings and whatever else in hers. She lives about a mile or so away. When I saw it on his drive I took my wheelie bin to it and emptied the full bag into our wheelie bin. I had to push down hard to get it all in. They're very 'springy' these fronds. If I hadn't done that most of my content would have spilled out onto the road. As it was just a few fronds and dead leaves spilled out. The fronds had jammed everything under them.What sort of mentality does someone have to do that ? Ours was the only wheelie bin he pushed over. My wife said he was walking along the footpath and his mate was riding alongside on a bike. We don't usully suffer vandalism like that. It has happened before but very seldom.
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Is there any limit to what an idiot will do on the roads?
I did everything right, I slowed and indicated right as I got to home and positioned myself well in the road, I came to a stop and then as I started to turn a cyclist flashed in front of me. I had seen him and passed him earlier so I was half prepared but honestly WTF?
WTF does a cyclist behind a car indicating right think is going to happen next?
What sort of an idiot then passes in front of the car?
Of course if I'd hit him it would have been my fault. Sorry to his loved ones but if he dies on the road through his idiocy I'd care about the very likely innocent person involved and nothing for this brain dead waste of space.
I did everything right, I slowed and indicated right as I got to home and positioned myself well in the road, I came to a stop and then as I started to turn a cyclist flashed in front of me. I had seen him and passed him earlier so I was half prepared but honestly WTF?
WTF does a cyclist behind a car indicating right think is going to happen next?
What sort of an idiot then passes in front of the car?
Of course if I'd hit him it would have been my fault. Sorry to his loved ones but if he dies on the road through his idiocy I'd care about the very likely innocent person involved and nothing for this brain dead waste of space.
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Been so busy the last few days as making many phone calls and sending emails to people saying since my mother had a fall breaking her hip she is now doing well after a hip replacement, she is now waiting to go in to a nursing home. Person I spoke to on the phone said How do we know that you are her son and POA on money and property, told to them to look at the email I sent them with proof of it all they are now going to look at it AGAIN and get back to me at 1.30 today. Stupid people.