UK Population

[Cartus]

When I was at school in the 1970's the population of the UK was always around 56 million. The population in the intervening 40 years has apparently risen to 64.5 million people, around about a 20% increase.

I wonder then why so many of the local towns and cities I'm familiar with have increased their populations by 50% or more. I remember Cheltenham's population being about 80k in the 1980's whereas it's now standing at 125k. The situation is similar in the nearby cities of Gloucester and Worcester as well as tiny villages being expanded into small towns over the past twenty or thirty years. The evidence would seem to indicate the UK population is somewhat more than the figures quoted.

Just wondering really....(n)

 

[Mr Bump]

I saw the recent numbers UKIP will have a field day and no doubt there will be more calls to build more houses.
Also 25% of all babies born to parents of non UK origin.

 

[cambsno]

Which is why we need to be bold and do something about it. Isn't out population similar to France, yet we have far less land.

We should blanket ban all immigration unless there s a real need like in Australia. We cannot cope with half a million a year increase in numbers.

 

[Mr Bump]

I think it was 400,000 increase but 250,00 was direct immigration fro EU countries.

 

[Cartus]

I wasn't intending to provoke a debate about immigration etc, I was simply querying the accuracy of the reported figures which would be way out I think.

 

[BillN_33]

lets face it - we are being invaded?

well you are, we live in France ……. even the French are flocking into London

 

[Mr Bump]

I actually think invaded isn't far from the truth in a scary way.

 

[viv1969]

lets face it - we are being invaded?

well you are, we live in France ……. even the French are flocking into London

So the French are being invaded by immigrants too

 

[Cobra]

So the French are being invaded by immigrants too

And according to the radio earlier, were bitching that we weren't taking our fair share

 

[BillN_33]

So the French are being invaded by immigrants too

"Old Folks" aren't immigrants just as Red Wine is not alcohol

 

[viv1969]

And according to the radio earlier, were bitching that we weren't taking our fair share

I heard it was the Italians
Same diff.

 

[viv1969]

"Old Folks" aren't immigrants just as Red Wine is not alcohol

Riiiiiight.
Still...look on the bright side; being over there you're that bit closer to Switzerland

 

[Cobra]

But back on track, My little town,
255,700 people were estimated to be living in Milton Keynes in 2013.
The population of Milton Keynes increased by 43,000 since 2001.
This is a growth of 20.2% compared with a growth rate of 8.9% for England.

Or put it another way,

At the 2011 census the population of the Milton Keynes urban area, including the adjacent Newport Pagnell and Woburn Sands, was 229,941, and that of the wider borough, which has been aunitary authority independent of Buckinghamshire County Council since 1997, was 248,800, (compared with a population of around 53,000 for the same area in 1961).

 

[dean messenger]

just to add to the figures. based on those questionaires, surveys, doctors forms, job applications and a dozen other types of form you may fill out regarding ethnicity, the number of British/english living in london is now in the minority being around 47%.

has nothing to do with racism or immigrants , its quite simply we are a small island and rapidly becoming a sardine tin fit to burst and something seriously needs to put a stop to the increase in numbers before its to late.

According to the 2001 census, Croydon has a population of around 269,100. In 2005 this was recorded to have risen up to 342,700, making Croydon the ninth most populous local authority in England out of 354 boroughs. 159,111 were males, with 171,476 females. In 2001 the number of people per hectare in Croydon was 38.21, in London 45.62, and in England 3.77.

 

[Cobra]

has nothing to do with racism or immigrants , its quite simply we are a small island and rapidly becoming a sardine tin fit to burst and something seriously needs to put a stop to the increase in numbers before its to late.

Absolutely

And again IF the radio report was to be believed, good old prime minister IS taking steps,
but I'll take that report with a large handful of sodium chloride for now

 

[SFTPhotography]

Also 25% of all babies born to parents of non UK origin.

Which is very interesting in itself given the very short time this demographic has changed.

Are non UK originated people having more babies than UK originated people? If so, why? Even so, how will this shift our population make up in the future? What if any social changes will this cause. If there are social changes, are these desirable?

I wasn't intending to provoke a debate about immigration etc, I was simply querying the accuracy of the reported figures which would be way out I think.

Why do you think they are out. People tend to take government figures as gospel and fact on here, why should this data be any different.

 

[viv1969]

This country is nowhere near bursting at the seams.
Including tarmac'd / paved roads, less than 9% of the UK is urbanised at all.
We have the room physically, just not the wherewithal structurally as it were.

 

[dean messenger]

This country is nowhere near bursting at the seams.
Including tarmac'd / paved roads, less than 9% of the UK is urbanised at all.
We have the room physically, just not the wherewithal structurally as it were.

i disagree. you have to discount much of the UK landmass that would be classed as uninhabitable. lakes, mountains, woodland, green belt, historical sites , private estates, farmland. or would you rather the whole country became one big concrete jungle?

what is bursting at the seams and overcrowded ( just look at homless figures, housing shortages and the waiting list queues) is every town and city in the UK then come back to me and tell me the UK isnt overcrowded

 

[Cartus]

It seems to me that population is the 'elephant in the room' and the underlying cause of all our modern ills. It is an issue that no politician will talk about because there's no solution.

Just imagine if the UK with it's current state of technology and infrastructure were populated with a stable 15 million people out of (say) a global population of 1 billion. Heaven!

People always want more though.

 

[SFTPhotography]

This country is nowhere near bursting at the seams.
Including tarmac'd / paved roads, less than 9% of the UK is urbanised at all.
We have the room physically, just not the wherewithal structurally as it were.

That population needs fed and land needs to be farmed. IMHO parts of the uk are over populated.

 

[Mr Bump]

It seems to me that population is the 'elephant in the room' and the underlying cause of all our modern ills. It is an issue that no politician will talk about because there's no solution.

Just imagine if the UK with it's current state of technology and infrastructure were populated with a stable 15 million people out of (say) a global population of 1 billion. Heaven!

People always want more though.

its not that the uk has the ability to expand in line with population growth and always has.
unfortunatly add the 250,000 migrants a year in to the equation and we are drowning.

 

[SFTPhotography]

unfortunatly add the 250,000 migrants a year in to the equation and we are drowning.

IMHO this is the issue.

 

[Cartus]

But the real issue is surely global population? We can hardly build a wall around the UK even though it is an island(s).

 

[Cobra]

We can hardly build a wall around the UK even though it is an island(s).

There was this one time at band camp
in AD 122, .... and a chap called Hadrian had an idea

 

[Steve Smith]

I am surprised it is as low as 64.5 million. Even in the late 1980s I thought it was 66 million.


Steve.

 

[Cartus]

I am surprised it is as low as 64.5 million. Even in the late 1980s I thought it was 66 million.


Steve.

Eight years ago the 'Independent' reported the UK population as being at least 77m or over 80m based on the observation of "one big supermarket chain".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...population-is-at-least-77-million-395428.html

 

[cambsno]

But the real issue is surely global population? We can hardly build a wall around the UK even though it is an island(s).

It is, but leaders ignore this and just want to tax us for driving!

We are a heavily populated country, only Malta, Belgium and Holland are more densely populated than us. We should use our island status to draw a line - if people really are leaving a war zone or seeking asylum then they should go to the less populated areas like Finland, Sweden, Croatia, Ireland, Bulgaria etc...

France has roughly the same population as us but is 2.5 times bigger!

 

[Cobra]

then they should go to the less populated areas like Finland, Sweden, Croatia, Ireland, Bulgaria etc...

You missed off Antarctica, I'm sure the Penguins would love some human company

 

[viv1969]

That population needs fed and land needs to be farmed. IMHO parts of the uk are over populated.

Hence the last part of my post Steve

 

[Ricardodaforce]

Which is why we need to be bold and do something about it. Isn't out population similar to France, yet we have far less land.

We should blanket ban all immigration unless there s a real need like in Australia. We cannot cope with half a million a year increase in numbers.

"we need to be bold and do something about it." Thing is, you don't speak for all of us. In my view 1 EU immigrant is worth 10 people like you. Maybe we can arrange a swap.
Immigration is not a bad thing. It does need to be controlled, but I believe that it generally enriches our culture and workforce. I am sure that if you (shock horror) decided to move to another country, you'd claim to be of benefit to that state.
Of course if you are finding the situation here so awful, you could always exercise your right and move to one of the less populated areas like Finland, Sweden, Croatia, Ireland, Bulgaria etc...

 

[viv1969]

i disagree. you have to discount much of the UK landmass that would be classed as uninhabitable. lakes, mountains, woodland, green belt, historical sites , private estates, farmland. or would you rather the whole country became one big concrete jungle?

what is bursting at the seams and overcrowded ( just look at homless figures, housing shortages and the waiting list queues) is every town and city in the UK then come back to me and tell me the UK isnt overcrowded

Very little of the UK is truly moutainous...same for water filled. I suspect a minute amount of that is "uninhabitable"...if any (water bourne housing is gaining in poularity).

I'm not suggesting we become a concrete jungle, not at all. I'm simply saying that to declare us bursting at the seams, or a sardine can, is real "Daily Mail" rhetoric.

This article makes intetesting reading.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096

 

[dejongj]

Looking around me, and living in the South east I don't really witness this overcrowding and bursting at the seems. I see overcrowding of cars per household but not really in people. Heck we even get school places out of county.

I think it is all a bit overly dramatic. What concerns me more is the birth rate from foreign nationality being larger than from British citizens. That is something that will irreversibly affect British culture and ultimately changes the country.

He says as a foreigner with children himself

 

[BillN_33]

I went into a pub in Alresford yesterday and it took me 10 mins to get served and the white wine was warm………. bloody immigrants

 

[jonbeeza]

I saw the recent numbers UKIP will have a field day and no doubt there will be more calls to build more houses.
Also 25% of all babies born to parents of non UK origin.

Me and the missus have been on the housing list for years, and we just do not get anywhere. We know of people who jumped the queue in front of us, they have not been on the list long. We know the people, and they told us. They jumped the queue well wont mention why here, but they had a certain advantage over most!

 

[SFTPhotography]

But the real issue is surely global population? We can hardly build a wall around the UK even though it is an island(s).

Population is surging in India and China but that shouldn't necessarily become our problem.

If we produced enough food to feed our country and kept the population roughly constant then what goes on elsewhere shouldn't effect us adversely.

However what I think is I should be given a gun and I could reduce the numbers effectively by shooting people in the face that I disapprove of.

 

[boliston]

There should be a lot more to building of affordable housing - there is way too much hideous suburban "sprawl" in much of the UK, when they could build smaller units which waste far less land. Towns should basically be forced to grow "up rather than out" and at least we would then have a fighting chance of saving our rural areas.

 

[Raincloud]

Immigration. Weak borders. Weak laws. Strong human rights. UK is sinking fast!

 

[jonbeeza]

Population is surging in India and China but that shouldn't necessarily become our problem.

If we produced enough food to feed our country and kept the population roughly constant then what goes on elsewhere shouldn't effect us adversely.

However what I think is I should be given a gun and I could reduce the numbers effectively by shooting people in the face that I disapprove of.

I somehow thought it would involve a face and a gun

There should be a lot more to building of affordable housing - there is way too much hideous suburban "sprawl" in much of the UK, when they could build smaller units which waste far less land. Towns should basically be forced to grow "up rather than out" and at least we would then have a fighting chance of saving our rural areas.

In one of the Parks near us, a load of caravans have appeared. Police have been, but left them. They said there is nowhere else for them to go.

 

[dejongj]

There should be a lot more to building of affordable housing - there is way too much hideous suburban "sprawl" in much of the UK, when they could build smaller units which waste far less land. Towns should basically be forced to grow "up rather than out" and at least we would then have a fighting chance of saving our rural areas.

Do I read that correct as that you'd like to see even smaller houses, and preferably flats? Really?

 

[SFTPhotography]

I somehow thought it would involve a face and a gun

It's the solution to all our problems.