The virus. PPE. Part 1

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Donnie said:
Maybe you need to reread those responses and reflect on what they may be communicating?
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They seem to be communicating a level of emotional hyperventilation.

I understand that response just as I understand the points being responded to.

I would invite you to re-read those points and reflect on how you might rationally respond to them.
 
sphexx said:
Especially if you are G o d and, according to popular accounts, are rather keen on plagues, floods etc :).
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My conclusion these days is that people saw terrible things happen and tried to rationalise them so they had purpose and meaning. City wiped out by plague - they were terrible there. Now it might be that someone had caught an STD from an animal and then passed it all around the town afterwards, so that was a kind of natural 'judgement' on their behaviour, but it might have also just been coincidence.
 
ancient_mariner said:
Because people love outrage on the internet.
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Donnie said:
Maybe you need to reread those responses and reflect on what they may be communicating?
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simon ess said:
They seem to be communicating a level of emotional hyperventilation.

I understand that response just as I understand the points being responded to.

I would invite you to re-read those points and reflect on how you might rationally respond to them.
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"emotional hyperventilation" nice cast of the net, unfortunately, no fish.

As for how I may rationally respond to posters that have no problem with people dying from coronavirus? I think you will find I already responded quite rationally. Certainly the mods would agree Im sure.
 
I have no idea what "the mods" have got to do with it, unless you're seeking to close down discussion from authority.

I cast no net, I say as I see.

I do not see any mention of anyone having no problem with people dying.

Why don't you just answer his points rather than argue with me? There's no need to answer that, obviously.
 
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Retune said:
Fortunately and unfortunately, some infected people have no symptoms at all.

Edit: Here, in microcosm, is what you'd have to do to ensure everyone was clear:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ss-tests-in-italian-town-have-halted-covid-19
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AFAIK there simply aren't enough tests available still to screen a meaningful proportion of the population here, though that will likely change soon. In addition, until the antibody tests become available it won't be possible to tell those who have had the infection from those who have not yet caught it.
 
simon ess said:
I have no idea what "the mods" have got to do with it, unless you're seeking to close down discussion from authority.

I cast no net, I say as I see.

I do not see any mention of anyone having no problem with people dying.

Why don't you just answer his points rather than argue with me? There's no need to answer that, obviously.
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then you need to reread, not sure how many times I need to say it.
 
simon ess said:
They seem to be communicating a level of emotional hyperventilation.

I understand that response just as I understand the points being responded to.

I would invite you to re-read those points and reflect on how you might rationally respond to them.
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Rationally, OK.

Literally the whole world is going into meltdown. Economies are teetering on the edge, schools are being closed, people are being asked to limit social contact and some are being asked to hide themselves away in their homes for their own safety and to ensure the NHS doesn’t collapse under the weight of this, apparent, non event. Businesses are going tits up, people are getting laid off, and people, maybe thousands of them, are going to die when they probably needn’t have. I’m beginning to wonder if we have to get to Italian levels of morbidity before some people take this seriously.
 
ancient_mariner said:
My conclusion these days is that people saw terrible things happen and tried to rationalise them so they had purpose and meaning. City wiped out by plague - they were terrible there. Now it might be that someone had caught an STD from an animal and then passed it all around the town afterwards, so that was a kind of natural 'judgement' on their behaviour, but it might have also just been coincidence.
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I couldn’t agree more, and it’s a pity that the “act of god” phrase is still used particularly since, as you say, people didn’t see them as random chance events but caused or avoided by some action of theirs :(.
 
simon ess said:
So enlighten me.
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Not enough PPE, people being mask fitted only monday to friday 8-4pm, 100000 staff vacancies (England alone) no figures for the rest of the uk before we start, Boris avoiding any real data on critical care beds and how many ventilators are needed and the fact theres no staff available if they are needed? Tip of the iceberg stuff.

thats before we go on to not enough PPE and staff in hospitals so worried that they are stealing hand gel, gloves and masks :-/
 
MatBin said:
Really, how many people do we have in the UK, how many have got it, how many have died. You have more chance of winning the lottery. Stop being a pussy.
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My comment that this does not look so clever now is based on the fact that on Jan 26th when it was written we had no known cases so to answer your points in this post.
People in UK about 68000000 how many have got it answer for then and now is we have no idea we have not yet tested 1% of the population. How many have died, then 0 now 100+. Predictions are for 80% infection at worse case about 54million. A lot of these the young and fit amongst us could be asymptomatic so while having no obvious signs can spread the disease. At the time you wrote that post we were as a nation activly allow travellers to enter the UK from infected areas and worse than that bringing known infected people into the UK, probably because people had your attitude that seems to be that we are British and immune from the Chinese problem.........big mistake.
Your follow up was crass because while possible factual used words like only 250000 deaths and seemed to be suggesting that as it was only aged and infirm that die (not correct) then it is not much of a problem.
So not clever and crass
 
Donnie said:
Im too tired of trying to rationally address the people who have no problem with tens of thousands of potential deaths due to this virus. :-(
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Where does it say I have no problem with mass deaths? My Dad's 90, will he survive this, who knows, do you think I don't care, don't be a pillock.
 
sphexx said:
This is a really daft post (I’m being polite), I suggest you re-read it and consider deleting it :(
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Where is it daft? Where's it wrong? All the numbers are in the public domain, 102 out of 66Million, even 250K out of 66Million is only a small percentage.
 
CliveH said:
My comment that this does not look so clever now is based on the fact that on Jan 26th when it was written we had no known cases so to answer your points in this post.
People in UK about 68000000 how many have got it answer for then and now is we have no idea we have not yet tested 1% of the population. How many have died, then 0 now 100+. Predictions are for 80% infection at worse case about 54million. A lot of these the young and fit amongst us could be asymptomatic so while having no obvious signs can spread the disease. At the time you wrote that post we were as a nation activly allow travellers to enter the UK from infected areas and worse than that bringing known infected people into the UK, probably because people had your attitude that seems to be that we are British and immune from the Chinese problem.........big mistake.
Your follow up was crass because while possible factual used words like only 250000 deaths and seemed to be suggesting that as it was only aged and infirm that die (not correct) then it is not much of a problem.
So not clever and crass
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How many of those that have so far died in the UK were fit and healthy before they caught CV, according to reports I have read, NONE.
Crass = insensitive or stupid (from google).
Insensitive - in what way.
Stupid - in what way, all the figures are out there.
You put ONLY in the post, not me.
 
Canon Bob said:
I agree Asha.....I suspect that 15 days was chosen as maximum term that could be tolerated in the initial announcement and an extension is inevitable (at least for the serious risk categories)
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French TV reporting that Italy has extended the lockdown for another two weeks.....I suspect that we'll be doing the same when the current period gets close to expirey.
 
MatBin said:
Where is it daft? Where's it wrong? All the numbers are in the public domain, 102 out of 66Million, even 250K out of 66Million is only a small percentage.
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It's not just going to be about the actual deaths though.
This is likely to be much much worse than just the death toll.
Surely even you can now see that?

If I'd posted your first post on this thread, I'd be more than slightly embarrassed given what is now happening.
I certainly wouldn't be trying to defend it.

But you're not me, so keep digging.......
 
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Yesterday morning the roads were pretty deserted.
Yesterday evening (7ish) the traffic was back to normal.
Took wife to hospital for op at 7 this morning and traffic as usual.
Not too much sign of a lockdown .
 
Cockney said:
Yesterday morning the roads were pretty deserted.
Yesterday evening (7ish) the traffic was back to normal.
Took wife to hospital for op at 7 this morning and traffic as usual.
Not too much sign of a lockdown .
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There isn't a lockdown.....yet.
 
MatBin said:
Where is it daft? Where's it wrong? All the numbers are in the public domain, 102 out of 66Million, even 250K out of 66Million is only a small percentage.
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if you can’t see it,, it’s hard to explain but when your comments are in the same class as Elon Musk, perhaps you should worry. Eg :

“The coronavirus panic is dumb” to his 32.3 million followers on 6 March. Despite widespread criticism of his message, which flew in the face of public health efforts to convince the general population to take the spread of the virus seriously, Musk has continued to downplay the threat.

“As a basis for comparison, the risk of death from C19 is *vastly* less than the risk of death from driving your car home,” Musk wrote in an email to SpaceX employees, according to BuzzFeed News. “There are about 36 thousand automotive deaths per deaths [sic], as compared to 36 so far this year for C19.”

And this is from a man who makes cars too! He’s only one of a largish number of billionaires who have expressed the same view — while organising their private jet flights to their remote island hideaways from which (like Branson) they plead for government bailouts :(.
 
Cockney said:
Yesterday morning the roads were pretty deserted.
Yesterday evening (7ish) the traffic was back to normal.
Took wife to hospital for op at 7 this morning and traffic as usual.
Not too much sign of a lockdown .
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Mrs F posted this on Facebook this morning as she had to get the train into London. This was the station car park at 8am, people are usually struggling to get a space by this time. Apparently, half the tube stations are shut.

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I think London might well be in Lockdown by this weekend, today I`m off to have Susie`s nails clipped then over to Mum`s. As I will be telling her that very very soon I won`t be able to come over as I will be staying in for my own safety, she can`t seem to understand having to stay in and says that`s just silly so it will be a hard day today.
 
Dave70D said:
I think London might well be in Lockdown by this weekend, today I`m off to have Susie`s nails clipped then over to Mum`s. As I will be telling her that very very soon I won`t be able to come over as I will be staying in for my own safety, she can`t seem to understand having to stay in and says that`s just silly so it will be a hard day today.
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I agree.
I think it will be likely happen tomorrow, possibly starting af some point tomorrow or Saturday.
The rest of the country wont be far behind....
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
There isn't a lockdown.....yet.
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You're correct of course. People have been asked to work from home etc. though so i would have expected more of a slowdown.
More like Marcs picture.
 
Possibly the last round of golf for a while. Most of the gents I play with are significantly older than me so may well start self isolating. CURRENT (and this may well change in the minutes/hours/days/etc. to come) sentiment is that it's still decent exercise, out in the fresh air, easy to stay 2m+ away from each other and with a couple of rule changes (all putts within a putter's length are now gimmes!),

TBH, I want this bloody virus as soon as possible so I can relax a bit and offer people help without the fear or catching it. IF it's shown that reinfection is impossible or unlikely. (And, of course, if I survive it!)
 
Cockney said:
Yesterday morning the roads were pretty deserted.
Yesterday evening (7ish) the traffic was back to normal.
Took wife to hospital for op at 7 this morning and traffic as usual.
Not too much sign of a lockdown .
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Best wishes for your wife and I hope it goes well.

Cath has her endoscopy today, assuming they don't cancel at the last moment.
 
Arclight wrote on18 March:-
Therefore Italy has nearly 3 times more cases than Germany, but 106 times more dead.
How on earth has that come about ?
In both countries the infections started nearly on the same date.

Jakeblu replied:-
Germany seem to be doing a pretty good job of keeping the fatalities down, hope that doesn't change.

The disparity in death rates was briefly discussed on LBC this morning between the presenter and a Gov. Official (Health Sec. - I think)
LBC stated that Germany has 28,000 Intensive Care Unit beds. NHS England has 4,000. Wales and Scotland will have some to add to that figure.

Looks like if you are going to be seriously ill with Covid 19 it is much better to be ill in Germany.
 
jakeblu said:
Best wishes for your wife and I hope it goes well.

Cath has her endoscopy today, assuming they don't cancel at the last moment.
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Thoughts are with you guys too.
 
Marc said:
Mrs F posted this on Facebook this morning as she had to get the train into London. This was the station car park at 8am, people are usually struggling to get a space by this time. Apparently, half the tube stations are shut.

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Could be the result a car theives version of panic buying. ;)
 
Donnie said:
then you need to reread, not sure how many times I need to say it.
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Where have I said I have no problem in this thread with mass deaths.
Once again, on a personal level let me say, both my children are probably in the at risk group, my wife's dad is in the at risk group, possibly I am (because of my age) in the at risk group and maybe my wife partly because of her age/health is in the at risk group.
That's all the close family I have, do you think I want to see any of them die?
Do you honestly think I don't care about them, let alone my neighbours and the wider community?
 
Nicked this from Owen Jones:

"" Spot on from Gordon Brown: "If Boris Johnson tells people to go home and to stay at home, he has got to tell them how they are going to be able to survive financially."
Unless the government bails out people's incomes - like other countries have done - it won't happen.""
 
jakeblu said:
Best wishes for your wife and I hope it goes well.

Cath has her endoscopy today, assuming they don't cancel at the last moment.
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I hope it goes well for her.
Rotherham hospital was business as usual apart from a few covid precautions. Eg I couldn't stay with her , just had to say goodbye at reception. Which is understandable.
 
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