The virus. PPE. Part 1

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Yes, I am not in a position to say for sure, but I suspect the quality of German health care will be a big factor in patient survival.

I`m sure Boris said health service in Italy was excellent and he had been treated there. Most of the CV is in Northern Italy where the health service is very good, worry is/was the CV spreading to Southern Italy with the poorer health service.
 
AFAIK Italian healthcare is some of the best available. Far more likely there are many, many more asymptomatic infections that havce simply never been detected.
 

Profound.

Already a hospital transport scheme available.

As Brian has said many hospital transport schemes are inadequate and unreliable. Many schemes rely on volunteers,
many of whom I would guess would themselves be self isolating.

A robust system will need to be in place for people who really need to travel and rely on public transport.

I go stir crazy after a few days of the flu!
And what about those Claustrophobic people?

I've just been out for a quick walk after being confined inside for a few days. Wide pavements and trying to give people a wide berth, but still the smartphone viewing zombies are blissfully unaware of where they're going and they keeping head towards me! Arrghh!
 
I've just been out for a quick walk after being confined inside for a few days. Wide pavements and trying to give people a wide berth, but still the smartphone viewing zombies are blissfully unaware of where they're going and they keeping head towards me! Arrghh!

Based on your avatar I reckon they saw you as one of their own. ;)
 
Richard..what on Earth is IMNVHO..?... Ok..got it..lol. I would never describe any opinion of yours as humble even less so ‘very humble’ :)

It’s really having a discussion involving semantics.
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. I rest my case.. :)
You make some interesting points John, but as you say, semantics ... :(. We would have to first define our terms and we would be off-topic for this thread, though at times it has been “batty” :).
 
I find it somewhat ironic that the world has spent trillions and trillions developing weapons of annihilation and it seems that all they needed was a half cooked, rancid pangolin.
 
I find it somewhat ironic that the world has spent trillions and trillions developing weapons of annihilation and it seems that all they needed was a half cooked, rancid pangolin.
I am sure some countries have much worse on a dusty military shelf somewhere.
 
I find it somewhat ironic that the world has spent trillions and trillions developing weapons of annihilation and it seems that all they needed was a half cooked, rancid pangolin.

On a similar note, from 1914 - 1918 humanity spent 4 years developing ever more obscene ways to slaughter millions of each other. Nature said, "hold my beer."
 
A couple of titbits gathered from the French news channels this evening......2nd day of the lockdown

An opinion poll shows that 9/10 people are in favour of the two week lockdown.

4095 people have been fined 135 Euros for breaching the curfew (more will have been guilty but there was some leniency on the first day).

The Ile de Re (a popular island for holidays and second homes) saw its population increase by around 25% yesterday morning as people arrived before the lockdown. This is likely to lead to shortages in the shops as they're not stocked for the unseasonal arrivals.
 
One other issue with a London lockdown that suspends TFL is that pretty much all the medics I know use it to get to work...
 
So let’s say for arguments sake that we do the same as France and other countries and go into lockdown for two weeks. What then? Surely it will just be a continuation of the lockdown for an extended period until cases are down to zero.
Feeling a bit grumpy since the news of school closures. Not looking forward to my wife and I working from home while looking after 3 and 5 year old busy boys. At the moment we can take them out to maintain some sanity. But staying at home 24/7 will be a nightmare!
 
That don't look so clever now.
I disagree, we have just over 100 dead in the UK, all had underlying health issues, there is still very little chance, probably 2% of those testing positive dieing prematurely, and nearly all of them so far having other medical problems. I agree the numbers by all accounts are going to go up massively but even if we have 250,000 deaths it's still a small percentage of the UK population and will affect those in the "at risk" group, anyone reasonably fit and healthy should come through this as far as their own health is concerned without major effect.
Any deaths due to this are tragic.
 
I find it somewhat ironic that the world has spent trillions and trillions developing weapons of annihilation and it seems that all they needed was a half cooked, rancid pangolin.

TBH if left un-checked (i.e. the way Spanish flu was in the 1900s) it wouldn't kill all that many people *relatively speaking*. Seeding Ebola or smallpox across cities would be a lot more effective.
 
So let’s say for arguments sake that we do the same as France and other countries and go into lockdown for two weeks. What then? Surely it will just be a continuation of the lockdown for an extended period until cases are down to zero.
In theory, anyone who is infected will have the symptoms or be suffering by the end of the isolation period and so that bunch will continue in isolation and the rest will be in the clear and able to resume normality.
 
Just looking at a webcam in Rome, and one Police car left a square, and another came in from a different direction. And there is a soldier stationed in the square. :oops: :$ If they go this far in the UK, then there won't be enough Police to enforce anything.

Be assured that if govt wish to impose restrictions like here in France they will find the necessary resources to enforce it
 
TBH if left un-checked (i.e. the way Spanish flu was in the 1900s) it wouldn't kill all that many people *relatively speaking*. Seeding Ebola or smallpox across cities would be a lot more effective.
As a kid I remember queuing with Mum and Dad for ages to get our smallpox injections. Big scare as I remember it. I was only young though.
 
In theory, anyone who is infected will have the symptoms or be suffering by the end of the isolation period and so that bunch will continue in isolation and the rest will be in the clear and able to resume normality.
Heres hoping.
 
That would contravene the Geneva Protocol whereas flogging pangolin butties doesn't

I rather think that if you plan massive destruction of humanity then the Geneva protocol isn't really going to be such a big deal.
 
I disagree, we have just over 100 dead in the UK, all had underlying health issues, there is still very little chance, probably 2% of those testing positive dieing prematurely, and nearly all of them so far having other medical problems. I agree the numbers by all accounts are going to go up massively but even if we have 250,000 deaths it's still a small percentage of the UK population and will affect those in the "at risk" group, anyone reasonably fit and healthy should come through this as far as their own health is concerned without major effect.
Any deaths due to this are tragic.

How do I report a post? And Im not talking about the above, Im talking about the response I want to write. But actually I won't write it, best to end with an empty platitude to excuse the potential death of your parents / friends/ sister / brother. Now what would allow me to do that? Oh yes, but "any deaths due to this are tragic" :rolleyes:
 
In theory, anyone who is infected will have the symptoms or be suffering by the end of the isolation period and so that bunch will continue in isolation and the rest will be in the clear and able to resume normality.

Theoretically I would agree but tbh I will be surprised (and very relieved ) to see the French lockdown lifted before the end of April unless a radical development and deployment of vaccin / antidote becomes available.
 
How do I report a post? And Im not talking about the above, Im talking about the response I want to write. But actually I won't write it, best to end with an empty platitude to excuse the potential death of your parents / friends/ sister / brother. Now what would allow me to do that? Oh yes, but "any deaths due to this are tragic" :rolleyes:

If the post you want to write addresses his points in a rational way, you should most certainly post it.
 
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I rather think that if you plan massive destruction of humanity then the Geneva protocol isn't really going to be such a big deal.
Especially if you are G o d and, according to popular accounts, are rather keen on plagues, floods etc :).
 
I disagree, we have just over 100 dead in the UK, all had underlying health issues, there is still very little chance, probably 2% of those testing positive dieing prematurely, and nearly all of them so far having other medical problems. I agree the numbers by all accounts are going to go up massively but even if we have 250,000 deaths it's still a small percentage of the UK population and will affect those in the "at risk" group, anyone reasonably fit and healthy should come through this as far as their own health is concerned without major effect.
Any deaths due to this are tragic.
This is a really daft post (I’m being polite), I suggest you re-read it and consider deleting it :(
 
If the post you want to write addresses his points in a rational way, you should most certainly post it.

Im too tired of trying to rationally address the people who have no problem with tens of thousands of potential deaths due to this virus. :-(
 
Theoretically I would agree but tbh I will be surprised (and very relieved ) to see the French lockdown lifted before the end of April unless a radical development and deployment of vaccin / antidote becomes available.
I agree Asha.....I suspect that 15 days was chosen as maximum term that could be tolerated in the initial announcement and an extension is inevitable (at least for the serious risk categories)
 
I disagree, we have just over 100 dead in the UK, all had underlying health issues, there is still very little chance, probably 2% of those testing positive dieing prematurely, and nearly all of them so far having other medical problems. I agree the numbers by all accounts are going to go up massively but even if we have 250,000 deaths it's still a small percentage of the UK population and will affect those in the "at risk" group, anyone reasonably fit and healthy should come through this as far as their own health is concerned without major effect.
Any deaths due to this are tragic.
Well that is fairly unsympathetic 250000 May be a small percentage but it's a lot of people isn't that roughly 4%? So maybe 1 in every extended family or 1 at the place you work. It's not only "at risk " that die either. Also 2% of those being tested, do you know anyone being tested that is not in hospital? It's not happening, latest figures were 800 per 1000000 million being tested. The number of deaths may only be 104 but 30% of those were yesterday.
So no your earlier comment does not look so clever now and the one above is probably best described as crass.
 
Well that is fairly unsympathetic 250000 May be a small percentage but it's a lot of people isn't that roughly 4%? So maybe 1 in every extended family or 1 at the place you work. It's not only "at risk " that die either. Also 2% of those being tested, do you know anyone being tested that is not in hospital? It's not happening, latest figures were 800 per 1000000 million being tested. The number of deaths may only be 104 but 30% of those were yesterday.
So no your earlier comment does not look so clever now and the one above is probably best described as crass.

Crass is a good word. The one I would have used would have got me banned. (Again)
 
I really don't understand why a fact based post is being met with an emotional, rather than a fact based, response.
 
I really don't understand why a fact based post is being met with an emotional, rather than a fact based, response.
Maybe you need to reread those responses and reflect on what they may be communicating?
 
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