The great TP election thread

Don't they make a lovely couple!!

 
You must be sniffing glue if you really think that Steve .....no offence.
 
Everyone to there own opinion Steve, Russell Brands quote below hits the nail on the head..Would I vote NO not until there is a "genuine" alternative a "genuine" option then I would vote for that.

"what I noticed when I was in the Houses of Parliament: it’s decorated exactly the same as Eton, it's decorated exactly the same as Oxford, so a certain type of people goes in there and thinks, “Oh, this makes me nervous,” and another type of people go in there and go, “This is how it should be.” And I think that’s got to change"
 
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Llamaman said:
That ignores the potential for one party to actively make things worse.

As an example, if you currently claim any sort of benefit, there will clearly be changes coming after the election - and you therefore have a vested interest in getting your arse down to the polling station.
People who whine about "no party represents me" are missing the point of representational democracy. Candidates aren't there to vote on your behalf on every issue - they're their to represent all their constituents as they see fit. Inevitably, even the party of your choosing won't act the way you would wish on every single issue. But if you can't see a difference between the parties on even a single issue, you're not trying hard enough.
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Actually, I agree with you on this point. I'm a regular voter and always encourage my friends to vote too. But if they chose not to, who am I (or anyone else, come to that) to force them to do so. My own view is that if you don't vote, you have no right to moan. I don't think it's about being able to see differences in policy between the parties, it's about trying to get to the nitty gritty of how those policies will actually affect ones own life going forward. And that can be a complicated business, because you end up having to pick the bones out of every party's manifesto and try to balance the wins and losses against each other. Which always brings it down to the issues which affect ones own life the most, or have the potential to do so, rather then the wider/bigger issues.

I will be voting next week and I have already decided who I'll vote for. I hope everyone does the same.
 
My thoughts on various parties, I know some won`t agree, but what the hell:

UKIP....Too far right, don`t like all the policies and I believe there is a far right undercurrent.
SNP.....Bitter at losing the independant vote and will try to sneak it in again.
Lib/Dem....No idea why they bother.
Greens..... see above.
Labour....good at spending what we do not have on crap that we don`t need.
Tories.....Life is always a little harder under them, usually because they follow the party of overspending.

Either way, i`m not too keen on any of them, some of the policies are ok,some make me cringe.

No idea who to vote for yet. Seat I live in is a Labour stronghold, but I fear UKIP will make big in roads into that this time.
 
I passed a truck on the way home tonight which had VOTE UKIP on the sides.
Yeah...'cause that's gonna do it :ROFLMAO:
 
viv1969 said:
I passed a truck on the way home tonight which had VOTE UKIP on the sides.
Yeah...'cause that's gonna do it :ROFLMAO:
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PMSL well no self respecting illegal is gonna get in there are they they? :D
 
Watched Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg & David Cameron tonight with my kids.

They obviously don't understand the details of the manifestos or the impact on us a family but they understand the voting / numbers game.

We touched on the implications of the Labour or Conservative party not having enough seats for a majority.

From the mouth of a 12 year old...........

Dad - If it's obvious that Labour or Conservative (or any party) aren't going to get enough votes - why do they keep telling us that they can win a majority ?

Dad - Surely if it's obvious that they have to 'team up' wouldn't we be better off if we were told about the possible Coalition manifestos. ?

Dad - If coalition is inevitable - rather than ticking one box - why don't they have a selection of coalition options to choose from on the voting card ?

Bed time guys :nailbiting:
 
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dinners said:
If coalition is inevitable - rather than ticking one box - why don't they have a selection of coalition options to choose from on the voting card ?
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That would be a good idea. A first and second choice and if there is no majority, the second choice votes are counted.


Steve.
 
You mean AV? The electorate rejected that...
 
I'll not be voting. The expenses episode put me off politicians forever. If the party leaders had shown some backbone and thrown out the transgressors then it would have meant something. Instead the whole of Westminster clubbed together to protect their own. And it's still going on.

The worst part about it is these people then have the audacity to stand for reelection. People that are morally bankrupt and have no principals. And the electorate vote them back in. It's no wonder that MPs think they can get away with so much and never have to face the consequences when we keep giving them a second chance.
 
Gaz J said:
I'll not be voting. The expenses episode put me off politicians forever. If the party leaders had shown some backbone and thrown out the transgressors then it would have meant something. Instead the whole of Westminster clubbed together to protect their own. And it's still going on.

The worst part about it is these people then have the audacity to stand for reelection. People that are morally bankrupt and have no principals. And the electorate vote them back in. It's no wonder that MPs think they can get away with so much and never have to face the consequences when we keep giving them a second chance.
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I couldn't have worded it any better Gary well said.
 
Not voting is obviously your right, but it doesnt really help send any kind of message to the Politicians does it? If you dont want any of them in power, maybe it would be a better idea to spoil your ballot paper instead. These get counted as far as I know, so would (in my opinion) send a stronger message.
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Not voting is obviously your right, but it doesnt really help send any kind of message to the Politicians does it? If you dont want any of them in power, maybe it would be a better idea to spoil your ballot paper instead. These get counted as far as I know, so would (in my opinion) send a stronger message.
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:agree: If you do nothing there is nothing to differentaite your thought proces from the can't be arsed
 
dinners said:
Watched Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg & David Cameron tonight with my kids.
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What were Ed, Nick and Dave doing with your kids ? - if you sell that story to the papers you could bring the election down in flames :lol:
 
big soft moose said:
What were Ed, Nick and Dave doing with your kids ? - if you sell that story to the papers you could bring the election down in flames :LOL:
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Dave was probably leaving them in the pub. Not sure about the others though.
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Not voting is obviously your right, but it doesnt really help send any kind of message to the Politicians does it? If you dont want any of them in power, maybe it would be a better idea to spoil your ballot paper instead. These get counted as far as I know, so would (in my opinion) send a stronger message.
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boyfalldown said:
:agree: If you do nothing there is nothing to differentaite your thought proces from the can't be arsed
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I want honest MPs in government. People who stand up for their principals and who want to do right for the people of this country. Wishful thinking I know. There are far too many career politicians today in it for themselves and too many lightweights who don't have anything to say that is worth listening too.

In our constituency canvassing for my vote has been confined to leaflets pushed through the door. Is that engaging with the electorate? It's no wonder that 35-40 % of the population don't vote.

I can't be arsed voting. And I'd rather rub my ass with a rough brick than take time out of my day to go to the polling stations to spoil a paper.
 
Gaz J said:
I want honest MPs in government. .
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i'd also like word peace, an end to hunger and disease , and an extensive threesome with angelina jolie and jessica alba ... any of these are more likely than what you are hoping for
 
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:agree: If you do nothing there is nothing to differentaite your thought proces from the can't be arsed
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Yep, that.

This strikes me as being a little similar to what I watched on Question Time last night. Normal, working class, man/woman in the street type people were given the opportunity to ask The Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister and the Leader of the labour Party questions on the subjects that were important to them in the run up to the election, and too many of them (in my opinion) decided it would just be a good chance to try and make themselves look clever on tv by mocking them. "Youre a liar", "Have you got any jobs lined up for Thursday when your party loses its relevance" etc etc. There was obvously a lot of truth in what they were saying, I admit, but wouldnt they (and the viewers) have been better served if they had actually put some thought into it, and really tried to challenge the very people that are asking for our votes next week?

Im not for one moment saying that we would have got straight, honest answers, but that in itself speaks volumes about them. Better than cheap shots, surely?
 
Gaz J said:
I want honest MPs in government. People who stand up for their principals and who want to do right for the people of this country. Wishful thinking I know. There are far too many career politicians today in it for themselves and too many lightweights who don't have anything to say that is worth listening too.

In our constituency canvassing for my vote has been confined to leaflets pushed through the door. Is that engaging with the electorate? It's no wonder that 35-40 % of the population don't vote.

I can't be arsed voting. And I'd rather rub my ass with a rough brick than take time out of my day to go to the polling stations to spoil a paper.
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Ok, fair enough, but if you choose to not use that voice you have, im not sure you can complain about the outcome. All my opinion of course.
 
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Gaz J said:
I can't be arsed voting. And I'd rather rub my ass with a rough brick than take time out of my day to go to the polling stations to spoil a paper.
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...*sniggers*
 
IMO voting should be mandatory, but there should be a 'none of the above' box - the problem comes when none of the above has a collosal majority :LOL:.

I was going to spoil my paper, but we have an independent candidate standing who seems sensible, so i shall vote for her instead

Also the technology should also be there for people to vote over the net... there has to be a way of working it with a unique identifier so it can't be rigged.. which would make it a lot less hassle to do and remove the "well I CBA to drive for half an hour to vote Notab"
 
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Nikon_Nick said:
Ok, fair enough, but if you choose to not use that voice you have, im not sure you can complain about the outcome. All my opinion of course.
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big soft moose said:
IMO voting should be mandatory, but there should be a 'none of the above' box - the problem comes when none of the above has a collosal majority :LOL:.

I was going to spoil my paper, but we have an independent candidate standing who seems sensible, so i shall vote for her instead

Also the technology should also be there for people to vote over the net... there has to be a way of working it with a unique identifier so it can't be rigged.. which would make it a lot less hassle to do and remove the "well I CBA to drive for half an hour to vote Notab"
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I can complain. I can complain that politics has lost its ability to engage with the electorate. All we are voting for here is different types of pain.

I don't agree Pete with compulsory voting even though the "none of the above" would almost make it palatable.

Democracy is about having the choice even if that choice is not to exercise your democratic right to vote which , if you don't, is exercising your democratic right. I think.
 
Gaz J said:
Democracy is about having the choice even if that choice is not to exercise your democratic right to vote which , if you don't, is exercising your democratic right. I think.
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I agree completely, but it doesnt get your voice heard, does it?
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Im not for one moment saying that we would have got straight, honest answers, but that in itself speaks volumes about them. Better than cheap shots, surely?
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Quite. I did an actual facepalm when they opened Clegg's questions with one about tuition fees. Yeah, 'cos he hasn't answered that one a million times already and got his script worked out. Changez le disc.
 
big soft moose said:
Also the technology should also be there for people to vote over the net... there has to be a way of working it with a unique identifier so it can't be rigged.. which would make it a lot less hassle to do and remove the "well I CBA to drive for half an hour to vote Notab"
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There already is postal voting for the CBA crowd who don't want to go to a polling station.

I voted last week...
 
If you live in Tower Hamlets they do all the voting for you.



Allegedly.
 
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Unfortunately Steve, im not sure that will work. I think you would be surprised with my choice.


...errrm...Dogs rule!!
 
Nikon_Nick said:
No...stop it, its weird!! :D
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look on the brightside nick, if we get a govt of steve's choosing we'll be looking at 30 glorious years of dictatorship (someone round here has actually been writing that on the ukip billboards) so we won't have to worry about voting , or that tedious freedom thing either ;)
 
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