The great TP election thread

Phil, stop twisting things round to score points! (n) (which you seem good at)

I posted # 693

you quoted & replied to my post in # 696 but added a comment about something I never mentioned. Hence my question to you in # 702

You then replied with in # 702
Phil V said:
You never, UKIP never, Steve did though - more than once!

There's no puzzlement, Hugh mentioned Steve, you quoted Hugh, I quoted you referring back to Steve. Simples. :)
Read it again... There you go :)
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Why the need for; ` Simples. Read it again... There you go ? :rolleyes:

I suggest YOU read the sequence inc your words `...Hugh mentioned Steve, you quoted Hugh, I quoted you referring back to Steve....` to see why I was confused :confused:

There you go. :D Not simples at all. ;)
 
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Steep said:
Anyway, to get the thread back on track, SNP bashing is surely more fun than responding to trolls ;)

SNP on track to win every single Scottish seat on 7th. I doubt it will really happen but polls like this must signal a deep dissatisfaction with the politics of Westminster as it stands.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/318815-stvipsos-mori-poll-snp-set-to-win-all-scots-seats-at-general-election/?fb_action_ids=879625202094312&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=[745368382247865]&action_type_map=["og.shares"%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
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They won't. People will see sense and unionists will vote tactically. They'll win a lot, but not all.
 
Steep said:
Anyway, to get the thread back on track, SNP bashing is surely more fun than responding to trolls ;)

SNP on track to win every single Scottish seat on 7th. I doubt it will really happen but polls like this must signal a deep dissatisfaction with the politics of Westminster as it stands.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/318815-stvipsos-mori-poll-snp-set-to-win-all-scots-seats-at-general-election
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Goodness. That would be amazing.

What happens after the election is shaping up to be a real mess, isn't it. It looks like the Conservatives won't be able to get enough backing to resist a motion of no confidence, whereas Labour probably could. But would the SNP bring down a Labour government if they didn't get their preferred policies into the Queens Speech and onto the books? One suspects not. In which case, a vote for the SNP is effectively the same as a vote for Labour...
 
ST4 said:
Huh. I believe it the most effective solution to the crisis in the med.
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If you find yourself advocating mass murder of innocent civilians, many of whom are fleeing a war zone, it might be time to consider that you may have a sociopathic condition.
 
StewartR said:
In which case, a vote for the SNP is effectively the same as a vote for Labour...
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How times have changed - they were once known as the "Tartan Tories".

I agree with most of what you say - in all likelihood the Tories will win the most seats, but be unable to form a government, either because the LibDems are washed out and can't get them over the line, or they opt to back Labour or sit it out in opposition.

Any government we see is also likely to be on a supply and confidence basis - I can't see much appetite for a formal coalition.


However, I'm not convinced the SNP wouldn't pull the plug if they don't get some major concessions. The rUK would hate them for it, but that's not who they represent. Unless a Lib-Lab pact can deliver a majority, the SNP have a very strong hand to play.
 
ST4 said:
Or trying to come here for our welfare and services. It's like an invasion from people who will stop at nothing to come here.
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So if the present risk isn't stopping them, why do you think the threat of gunboats will? Given the choice, I'd rather be shot than drown. And certainly rather be shot than burned alive by ISIS.
 
Vote by vote basis, this'll be the third time I've posted it on this thread. It is perfectly possible for Labour to complete a term as a minority government without any kind of coalition. They would need the support of the smaller parties to form a government but the only way they could then be 'taken down' is if enough others vote against them in a no confidence vote. That would not mean the SNP were responsible but ALL other parties.
 
OldCarlos said:
Phil, stop twisting things round to score points! (n) (which you seem good at)

I posted # 693

you quoted & replied to my post in # 696 but added a comment about something I never mentioned. Hence my question to you in # 702

You then replied with in # 702




Why the need for; ` Simples. Read it again... There you go ? :rolleyes:

I suggest YOU read the sequence inc your words `...Hugh mentioned Steve, you quoted Hugh, I quoted you referring back to Steve....` to see why I was confused :confused:

There you go. :D Not simples at all. ;)
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Seriously I've twisted nothing. If you can't see that for whatever reason, even after I've explained it, there's nowt else I can do. :)
 
Steep said:
Vote by vote basis, this'll be the third time I've posted it on this thread. It is perfectly possible for Labour to complete a term as a minority government without any kind of coalition. They would need the support of the smaller parties to form a government but the only way they could then be 'taken down' is if enough others vote against them in a no confidence vote. That would not mean the SNP were responsible but ALL other parties.
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Hopefully an outright Tory majority will prevail, or the Torys, Liberals and or/UKIP gain enough seats to form a government that cannot be taken down in a no confidence vote.
 
ST4 said:
Or trying to come here for our welfare and services. It's like an invasion from people who will stop at nothing to come here.
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Hardly anyone leaves their own country to go to another one with the intention of living on benefits. They all move thinking that they can better themselves and make a fresh start.

A great example of that is the country you admire so much - The United States of America - Apart from Native Americans, everyone there is descended from an immigrant who had that in mind when emmigrating.


Steve.
 
Steep said:
Vote by vote basis, this'll be the third time I've posted it on this thread. It is perfectly possible for Labour to complete a term as a minority government without any kind of coalition. They would need the support of the smaller parties to form a government but the only way they could then be 'taken down' is if enough others vote against them in a no confidence vote. That would not mean the SNP were responsible but ALL other parties.
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What you're talking about is the "supply and confidence" I referred to. I agree this is the most likely outcome.

However, I doubt it would take all the other parties to pass a motion of no confidence. The SNP voting with the Tories would probably be enough, even if all the other parties rallied around Labour (and how likely is it that UKIP would do that?)
 
ST4 said:
It won't stop the, but it will stop as many reaching here....
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And what effect would it have on our global standing, and thus our ability to influence the events that drive people to leave their country of birth in such desperate ways?
 
Phil V said:
Seriously I've twisted nothing. If you can't see that for whatever reason, even after I've explained it, there's nowt else I can do. :)
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I've also tried to explain, but hey ho :rolleyes:

Carry on. ;)
 
Llamaman said:
So if the present risk isn't stopping them, why do you think the threat of gunboats will? Given the choice, I'd rather be shot than drown. And certainly rather be shot than burned alive by ISIS.
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So Steves plan is a good one then? :p
 
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Aaaaaaannnnnyyyyywwwwwaaaaaaayyyy...

There was an interesting and rather frightening bit on R5 this morning. I was interested to hear people saying it wasn't worth voting as it makes no difference and also people were saying vote for smaller parties and really shake things up. I found both these views rather depressing but I still think that the most worrying and depressing thing is to hear people say they're voting for the Greens or the Nationalists.

I'm actually coming round to the idea that Labour and the Nationalists will form a coalition and systematically wreck the economy. It may take us a couple of generations or even longer to recover from the damage that cold potentially be done in the next 5 years of Silly government but interest rates of 15% plus (remember when we had those?) will be good for me and I'll be laughing all the way to the Aston Martin dealership. Bring on the economic turmoil!

Where's Kevin Phillips-Bong when I need him.
 
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Steep said:
Anyway, to get the thread back on track, SNP bashing is surely more fun than responding to trolls ;)

SNP on track to win every single Scottish seat on 7th. I doubt it will really happen but polls like this must signal a deep dissatisfaction with the politics of Westminster as it stands.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides...bject_map=[745368382247865]&action_type_map=["og.shares"%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
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Its looking good for the SNP but like others I can't see that all seats will go SNP, the way things are going though if its less than 45-46 I'll be very surprised, the scale of swing toward the SNP means that tactical voting is only going to be of any use in a very limited number of seats, some of the longer serving MP's (particularly Lib Dems) may get more support than is really being shown however the Ashcroft Constituency Polls haven't necessarily reflected this, and these polls have been relatively accurate in the past.
 
StewartR said:
Not sure what point you're making here. Including illegal activities such as drugs and prostitution is de rigeur when EU countries assess the size of their economies, so why shouldn't we at least use the same measuring stick?
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Nope, only Italy and the UK include those figures. France didnt in 2014 figures, and if had it was predicted to over take the UK as the fith biggest economy in the world. Apparently their income from drugs and prostitution is expected to be greater than the UK's ;)

Hopefully my point has become clearer :)
 
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jakeblu said:
Nope, only Italy and the UK include those figures. France didnt in 2014 figures, and if had it was predicted to over take the UK as the fith biggest economy in the world. Apparently their income from drugs and prostitution is expected to be greater than the UK's ;)

Hopefully my point has become clearer :)
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Apparently the French meant to include those figures but couldn't as the department collating them was on strike at the time.
 
woof woof said:
Aaaaaaannnnnyyyyywwwwwaaaaaaayyyy...

There was an interesting and rather frightening bit on R5 this morning. I was interested to hear people saying it wasn't worth voting as it makes no difference and also people were saying vote for smaller parties and really shake things up. I found both these views rather depressing but I still think that the most worrying and depressing thing is to hear people say they're voting for the Greens or the Nationalists.

I'm actually coming round to the idea that Labour and the Nationalists will form a coalition and systematically wreck the economy. It may take us a couple of generations or even longer to recover from the damage that cold potentially be done in the next 5 years of Silly government but interest rates of 15% plus (remember when we had those?) will be good for me and I'll be laughing all the way to the Aston Martin dealership. Bring on the economic turmoil!

Where's Kevin Phillips-Bong when I need him.
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Remind me which party was in power when interest rates last hit 15%?
 
Steve said:
Remind me which party was in power when interest rates last hit 15%?
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For anyone who can't Google but can click on a link (and enter a start date further back in time)...

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/interbank-rate

At the time I think I was making more money from investments than from my paid employment. Looking back on it it was a great time and helped fund my early retirement at 49.

Actually that graph not only links in quite well with my early retirement but also with we me buying a Porsche, a Merc, a Jag, a couple of Lotus's...

As people panic when rates look like they might creep up towards 2% I wonder what will happen (besides me buying something expensive) if we hit double figures, revolution?

Next question...
 
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woof woof said:
For anyone who can't Google but can click on a link (and enter a start date further back in time)...

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/interbank-rate

At the time I think I was making more money from investments than from my paid employment. Looking back on it it was a great time and helped fund my early retirement at 49.

Actually that graph not only links in quite well with my early retirement but also with we me buying a Porsche, a Merc, a Jag, a couple of Lotus's...

As people panic when rates look like they might creep up towards 2% I wonder what will happen (besides me buying something expensive) if we hit double figures, revolution?

Next question...
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So you conveniently fail to answer it was the Conservatives in whose 'cough' safe hands the economy would be who were responsible for 15% interest rates :rolleyes:
 
woof woof said:
For anyone who can't Google but can click on a link (and enter a start date further back in time)...

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/interbank-rate

At the time I think I was making more money from investments than from my paid employment. Looking back on it it was a great time and helped fund my early retirement at 49.

Actually that graph not only links in quite well with my early retirement but also with we me buying a Porsche, a Merc, a Jag, a couple of Lotus's...

As people panic when rates look like they might creep up towards 2% I wonder what will happen (besides me buying something expensive) if we hit double figures, revolution?

Next question...
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Why don't you use some of your money to buy a new trumpet? The old one must be pretty worn :p
 
Steve said:
So you conveniently fail to answer it was the Conservatives in whose 'cough' safe hands the economy would be who were responsible for 15% interest rates :rolleyes:
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Only to curb the out of control inflation caused by previous governments.
 
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Bobsyeruncle said:
Only to curb the out of control inflation caused by previous governments.
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Shall we look at that critically? It was 10.3% when Maggie was elected, and 10.9% when she left office. Her promise to curb inflation didn't really work
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Only to curb the out of control inflation caused by previous governments.
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Like the 12% interest rates we had in 1992 after ummmm....13 years of consecutive conservative governments
 
boyfalldown said:
Shall we look at that critically? It was 10.3% when Maggie was elected, and 10.9% when she left office. Her promise to curb inflation didn't really work
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Look at it critically then, and show me where you get your figures.
I can only see one site to back up your figures.......all others appear to show inflation was less when The conservatives left power
 
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