The great TP election thread

big soft moose said:
pretty much - except that i think milliband is a knob, our local candidate a larger one, and that their policies don't add up - and it would be a cold day in hell before i voted for them

the biggest problem in left/right discussions is people conflating authoritarian with right and libertarian with left - this sort of thinking runs into problems with say communist russia which was ver left wing but also highly authoritarian
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I think you meant liberal, not libertarian!

Libertarians are as right-wing as they come!
 
I'm still waiting for any single political party to prove to me that their local door to door representatives can read.

They've all failed so far.
 
viv1969 said:
I'm still waiting for any single political party to prove to me that their local door to door representatives can read.
They've all failed so far.
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PMSL doesn't bode well for the country does it?
 
viv1969 said:
I'm still waiting for any single political party to prove to me that their local door to door representatives can read.

They've all failed so far.
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Do you have sign saying 'no canvassers'?
 
OldCarlos said:
Is there?

(Not TP is it? :D )
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I think it's called Vote for Policies or something - I'm sure someone posted a link a few pages back.

I gave it a whirl for the European elections - it's very good.
 
Good God. Is anyone else watching the debate from Wales? Where the hell did the Green Party find this woman? What an absolute numpty. I'm embarrassed for her /them.
 
Llamaman said:
I think it's called Vote for Policies or something - I'm sure someone posted a link a few pages back.

I gave it a whirl for the European elections - it's very good.
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Ah yes, I remember seeing it & when it said approx. 50 mins to complete, I didn't have the time, then forgot about it.

Anyroad I've just gone through it. It took 25 mins.............https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

UKIP
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90%
Conservatives
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10%

I completed it honestly, but got to say I'm slightly surprised at such a big margin.
 
What I don't get is... why do parties bother sometimes??

Say you are a Tory in Burnley, or a Labour prospective MP in rural Cambridgeshire... why bother to campaign knowing there is no chance you will get elected?
 
Because if you manage to make some inroads, and prove yourself, you may get rewarded with a safe (or at least winnable) seat.
 
OldCarlos said:
tbh I wish all the policies could be published in a simple list form, anonymously numbered 1,2,3,4,5,5....., a month before the election date for folk to study & decide............then at the polling station the voting paper can have the party name next to the numbers!
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dinners said:
This is a bit of fun and the results are interesting.

https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey/1/select-issues

1) Choose which policies are important to you from:
  • Crime
  • Democracy
  • Economy
  • Education
  • Environment
  • Europe
  • Foreign Policy / Defence
  • Health / NHS
  • Immigration
  • Welfare

2) View what each party offers (not knowing which party it is) for each of the policies you have chosen then select your chosen one for each

You then get results for:

You
Your Constituency
Scotland (in my case)
National
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Did this but not a surprise, I could guess most of the parties policies...

UKIP - 60% (guessing its my anti EU stance)
Cons - 30%
Lab - 10%

Surprisingly nothing for Lib Dem, who (EU aside) I am very tempted to vote for!
 
I got bored
 
Llamaman said:
Yeah, it's not like any of this meters, is it? :)
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I got bored with that voteforpolicies thing I meant. I know who i'm voting for and I know I don't agree with all of their policies, but that's just the way it is.
 
Yawn
 
My `moneyboss` isn't particularly interested in politics, although does usually vote.
She just did the policy-test & got;


UKIP
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70%
Conservatives
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10%
Green Party
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10%
Labour
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10%
 
A lady from the Labour party knocked on my door yesterday and that makes twice for labour and a complete no show so far for all of the other parties. Do they not care or are just not bothering in what will probably be an easy labour win?

Where I live there was a big local issue last time with the steel works and the local great and good campaigned to get Labour out (because they didn't seem to care) but people forget so quickly and when I've asked people recently if they remember what happened not so long ago... they don't. So Labour will win here, I think. I voted for an independent socialist last time but I'm one of the few who did so my vote was pretty much wasted.

As a life long socialist I'm rather depressed. IMVHO Labour just don't care, have moved to the right and may very well muck up the economy. Meanwhile the Conservatives have moved a bit to the left and at least seem to realise that there's a deficit, that we can't all work for the council or be paid to drink Special Brew and smoke cannabis all day and that there's a national debt that has to be repaid.

I might vote Conservative for the first time in my life with the hope that they can fix the economy and get into surplus and put some more money into the good things and thus prevent the health service and all of the other goodies from being slowly starved to death.
 
woof woof said:
IMVHO Labour just don't care, have moved to the right and may very well muck up the economy. Meanwhile the Conservatives have moved a bit to the left
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I can't argue with that, they are all becoming very samey and "OTT politically correct" for fear of losing ANY votes.
 
woof woof said:
I might vote Conservative for the first time in my life with the hope that they can fix the economy and get into surplus and put some more money into the good things and thus prevent the health service and all of the other goodies from being slowly starved to death.
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Hmm, voting Conservative to protect the NHS seems almost an oxymoron...
 
Dave1 said:
Hmm, voting Conservative to protect the NHS seems almost an oxymoron...
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Well, my theory is that the countries in Europe that are going down the tube are having to cut their health services and that's easy to understand as they're going bust and have no money.

If we put away party prejudices for a mo we might accept that it's a hard fact that if you want to put another £8bn into the NHS you need £8bn to put in.

At the moment that £8bn will have to come from the Germans or the Chinese and they wont pay for our lifestyle and NHS forever hence the massive and growing interest payments on our massive and growing debt and it's only a matter of time before the interest rate goes up or we simply can't meet the payments we have now and they simply say "No More" and when that happens NHS workers go home and say "I haven't been paid again this month." That's what's happened elsewhere and could happen here if we don't get our heads out of our you know whats and accept that we have problems to fix and can't live on borrowed money forever.

So, my hope is that if we can fix the deficit and get into profit we can then spend our profit on the good stuff instead of handing some future generation an outstanding bill for £2bn or whatever it is on their 18th birthday.

As a socialist I don't see ignoring the mess we're in and leaving it for our children / grand children / great grandchildren to sort out as a very socialist thing to do. I'd rather accept that we have to make a profit to be able to care for the ill and needy in our society as lets face it doctors and nurses and social workers and people who make incubators and all of the other kit will not work for nothing and insist on receiving that dirty capitalist thing, money.

So yes, I think that voting Conservative might just save the NHS as if some other lot get elected and decide that they're far too nice to balance the books it's only a matter of time before it all comes crashing down and that mess will be a lot worse than the one we're in now. As a Greek.
 
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woof woof said:
So yes, I think that voting Conservative might just save the NHS as if some other lot get elected and decide that they're far too nice to balance the books it's only a matter of time before it all comes crashing down and that mess will be a lot worse than the one we're in now. As a Greek.
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trouble is conservatives will fix the defecit by privatising the NHS (or doing so by stealth by condeming it to death by a thousand cuts) likewise masacring every other public service, deregulating the economy and s***ting all over both the environment and the working class, whilst providing tax breaks for the rich in order to help out their public school mates "attract investment in the economy"

Voting tory to protect public services makes as much sense as voting ukip because you love imigrants
 
big soft moose said:
trouble is conservatives will fix the defecit by privatising the NHS (or doing so by stealth by condeming it to death by a thousand cuts) likewise masacring every other public service, deregulating the economy and s***ting all over both the environment and the working class, whilst providing tax breaks for the rich in order to help out their public school mates "attract investment in the economy"

Voting tory to protect public services makes as much sense as voting ukip because you love imigrants
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Don't buy this, they were in charge from 79 till 97, yet we still have an nhs.

The public sector grew far too much over the last 10 years and was unsustainable.

Not convinced about the tax breaks either. While I was against the removal of the 50 or 45 rate (as it did not feel right), many economists said it would bring in more money by scrapping it? Who knows who is right on that one.
 
cambsno said:
Don't buy this, they were in charge from 79 till 97, yet we still have an nhs.
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don't have very many mines though , or steel works , or ship yards, or any heavy industry.. if white collar workers think that the tories won't do to them what they did to the blue collar they are sadly mistaken

also you may have missed the thatcher govts attempt to privatise the NHS on the QT by bringing in fund holding and the purchasing of care from 'providers', much of what's wrong with the NHS today can bre traced back to the 1990 NHS and community care act
 
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steel works, mines and ship building were too expensive. Cheaper to source abroad. What do you mean by no heavy industry?
 
nilagin said:
No we don't. because Labour governments shut most of them.
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look on the positive, we still have coal under good old Blighty.
 
big soft moose said:
trouble is conservatives will fix the defecit by privatising the NHS (or doing so by stealth by condeming it to death by a thousand cuts) likewise masacring every other public service, deregulating the economy and s***ting all over both the environment and the working class, whilst providing tax breaks for the rich in order to help out their public school mates "attract investment in the economy"

Voting tory to protect public services makes as much sense as voting ukip because you love imigrants
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i keep seeing this 'working class' getting screwed by the tories, but if they up the tax band then how are they screwing the working class, given that most of the lowest paid wouldnt pay any tax? If the socialists get in they will up tax on fuel by bringing back the fuel escalator (harperson would rule it out) and tax the low paid, that would hit a lot of people.

as for privatising the NHS, the labour party were in power for long enough, they didnt do much to reverse any changes, do you really think they will again?
 
serious question. Is the NHS not in dire need of a radical shake up?

I don't mean shafting the guys and ladies in the firing line, I mean slimming down the overladen management and non entities that are employed within our nhs.
 
Ade is right, the NHS is in serious need of sorting out, the guys on the front line need funding, the executives sitting in offices dont need to be there, or have that level of wages.
 
Matt said:
i keep seeing this 'working class' getting screwed by the tories, but if they up the tax band then how are they screwing the working class, given that most of the lowest paid wouldnt pay any tax? If the socialists get in they will up tax on fuel by bringing back the fuel escalator (harperson would rule it out) and tax the low paid, that would hit a lot of people.

as for privatising the NHS, the labour party were in power for long enough, they didnt do much to reverse any changes, do you really think they will again?
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They screw the working class by the indirect taxation like increasing VAT to 20% , they also screw them and the middle class by cutting front line services and public sector redundancies.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that labour are going to tax the low paid or that the tories arent ( okay so the coalition increased the bottom `tax ban to 10k , but for someone on NMW that still leaves tax to pay )

and yes labour are/were a shower of s*** too - the blair government couldnt in anyway be described as socialist (on the political compass they were to the right of the Nazi's )
 
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