The Football Thread - Season 2013/2014

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I've pretty much accepted that Cesar, Granero etc are as good as gone. Remy's confirmed and Adel appears to be as well. Time to move on I feel.

Good win this evening, Austin getting a goal 73 seconds into his full debut. Getting into the winning habit I hope.

Granero is a player I'm genuinely disappointed we did not get more out of. I thought he had a great eye for a through ball, but he clearly lost the will to go on in our team last year. I think he will be a great player in the right team.

Anyway - 2 wins on the bounce, it's been a while! :thumbs:
 
Granero is a player I'm genuinely disappointed we did not get more out of. I thought he had a great eye for a through ball, but he clearly lost the will to go on in our team last year. I think he will be a great player in the right team.

Anyway - 2 wins on the bounce, it's been a while! :thumbs:

Granero is one that I had a little optimism for, he was doing well in pre-season. Obviously not to be though.

2 wins on the bounce? must have been the Championship winning season, can't remember doing it in the Premier League.
 
Rooney - injured for the pre-season games
Bale - injured for the pre-season games
Suarez - injured for the pre-season games.

I'd have a little bit more respect for these players, and all players who wish to leave, if they put in transfer requests.

Only a little bit more respect mind. ;)

If a player wants to go, he should put in a transfer request, and he doesn't go unless he does. A player who the club wish to move on should get the loyalty bonus. I know, simplistic. :D
 
Granero is one that I had a little optimism for, he was doing well in pre-season. Obviously not to be though.

2 wins on the bounce? must have been the Championship winning season, can't remember doing it in the Premier League.

So long ago I can't even remember, what a couple of years!

It is strange he seemed to play Granero a bit in pre-season, and then not even in the squad. Of all our midfielders, odd the Barton may be the one to hang around, along with Faurlin who he loaned out, and Derry who was dropped mostly.
 

He 'intends to submit a transfer request by the end of the week if a move is blocked'. So why wait till the end of the week. :shrug:

Putting in a transfer request should make a move more likely as Liverpool won't have to pay him off as much in theory, and so may possibly reduce his fee.

He just needs someone to actually stump up what he's worth now though. :lol:
 
He 'intends to submit a transfer request by the end of the week if a move is blocked'. So why wait till the end of the week. :shrug:

Putting in a transfer request should make a move more likely as Liverpool won't have to pay him off as much in theory, and so may possibly reduce his fee.

He just needs someone to actually stump up what he's worth now though. :lol:

We'll never get what he's worth in the current market now. I'd happily sell him now for anything we can get just to be rid. We don't need another sulking Torres episode.
 
We'll never get what he's worth in the current market now. I'd happily sell him now for anything we can get just to be rid. We don't need another sulking Torres episode.

:lol: the current market? The current market is the most inflated it has ever been. Everyone is paying far beyond the worth of players. £40m for Suarez is crazy, let alone any more! Besides, if there is a release clause in his contract as Arsenal, Suarez and his Agent appear to believe then you don't have a hope of getting a penny more...oh wait...you're getting a whole £1 more ;)

The whole contract debate has me intrigued. How poorly written can it be that no one can decide if it's a release clause or some obscure begin to negotiate clause, which incidentally nobody seems to have a clue what such a clause would mean!
 
Jamie, I wrote the current market deliberately because it is, of course, ridiculous. As it is I'm just bored of the whole thing now. Sell the odious little **** and let him be someone, anyone, elses problem. You're welcome to him.
 
Jamie, I wrote the current market deliberately because it is, of course, ridiculous. As it is I'm just bored of the whole thing now. Sell the odious little **** and let him be someone, anyone, elses problem. You're welcome to him.

I still don't really want him but I'm massively enjoying the whole saga :D
 
I wonder what they would get for him. Maybe the world has learned from the Torres episode and think that Suarez might only look as good as he does because of the mediocre standard of the liverpool squad. Together with his attitude, why would a CL team buy him? I'm quite happy for liverpool to keep their hero, so the fans can continue to laugh at all the "jealous" clubs that didn't want him and continue their domination of the mid table positions.
 
I wonder what they would get for him. Maybe the world has learned from the Torres episode and think that Suarez might only look as good as he does because of the mediocre standard of the liverpool squad. Together with his attitude, why would a CL team buy him? I'm quite happy for liverpool to keep their hero, so the fans can continue to laugh at all the "jealous" clubs that didn't want him and continue their domination of the mid table positions.

God, you talk some absolute crap. Pathetic and bitter and with the football knowledge of a toad. Suarez is a wonderful footballer as proven by his record before Liverpool, at Liverpool and at international level.
 
We'll never get what he's worth in the current market now. I'd happily sell him now for anything we can get just to be rid. We don't need another sulking Torres episode.

I never get the whole transfer valuation thing.

In whatever market - a player's value is whatever somebody is prepared to spend.

When two big clubs get in a bidding war or a sugar daddy club are looking to buy a player then the valuation goes through the roof. It seems that every club now value their player's as if this were case.
 
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I never get the whole transfer valuation thing.

In whatever market - a player's value is whatever somebody is prepared to spend.

When two big clubs get in a bidding war or a sugar daddy club are looking to buy a player then the valuation goes through the roof. It seems that every club now value their player's as if this were case.

The field changed when the sugar daddies came into the game. Okay, RM always spent way over the odds because of the political way they're funded, but RA at Chelsea brought the English game into a new era of crazy. It seemed to be settling down bit and then City happened.
 
The ideal scenario for Suarez and Arsenal would be that he goes there and you fail to get into the CL proper. I might actually die laughing.
 
The ideal scenario for Suarez and Arsenal would be that he goes there and you fail to get into the CL proper. I might actually die laughing.

:lol: Jesus, that would be funny.

The market is well and truly f***ed, BR has looked at the crazy money being associated with Bale and playing up to it. Arguably, rightly so - get as much as they can for him.
 
:lol: the current market? The current market is the most inflated it has ever been. Everyone is paying far beyond the worth of players. £40m for Suarez is crazy, let alone any more! Besides, if there is a release clause in his contract as Arsenal, Suarez and his Agent appear to believe then you don't have a hope of getting a penny more...oh wait...you're getting a whole £1 more ;)

The whole contract debate has me intrigued. How poorly written can it be that no one can decide if it's a release clause or some obscure begin to negotiate clause, which incidentally nobody seems to have a clue what such a clause would mean!

Suarez thought Liverpool had to sell him for anything over £40m, hence the £40m+£1 bid from Arsenal. Liverpool said they only had to inform him of a bid of £40m+, and that Suarez or his people are not challenging that now, probably after very expensive legal advice, leads me to think that Liverpool were right. :) I think Liverpool were sure about what clauses they were putting in the contract. ;)

Cavani was £55m, and Bale edging towards £100m, :eek: if they are market values then Suarez if very undervalued imho. You can only get what someone is willing to pay though, but then if you don't have to sell. :shrug: ;)

Whether it is wise to keep an unhappy player is another thing, but you can't let him go for such a reduced value. It is up to the Liverpool management to make those decisions. :thinking: I just hope it doesn't go to the last day of the transfer window. :shake:
 
They have to sell him, IMO. clean slate with players who want to be there. I don't think any fan who has any football knowledge at all will want him there now under these circumstances.
 
The market is well and truly f***ed, BR has looked at the crazy money being associated with Bale and playing up to it. Arguably, rightly so - get as much as they can for him.

That's the problem though isn't it.

Bale could well go to Real Madrid for £100m however Broject shouldn't be using that as a yardstick for what Arsenal should be expecting to pay for Suarez.

Players almost have two valuations now - an inflated one for the likes of Real Madrid, Chelsea, City and PSG and a more sensible one for any other prospective buyers.

It's normally the case that the best players are wanted by the sugar daddy clubs and their valuation is inflated but unfortunately for Suarez and Liverpool, none of those clubs are bidding for him.
 
Suarez thought Liverpool had to sell him for anything over £40m, hence the £40m+£1 bid from Arsenal. Liverpool said they only had to inform him of a bid of £40m+, and that Suarez or his people are not challenging that now, probably after very expensive legal advice, leads me to think that Liverpool were right. :) I think Liverpool were sure about what clauses they were putting in the contract. ;)

Cavani was £55m, and Bale edging towards £100m, :eek: if they are market values then Suarez if very undervalued imho. You can only get what someone is willing to pay though, but then if you don't have to sell. :shrug: ;)

Whether it is wise to keep an unhappy player is another thing, but you can't let him go for such a reduced value. It is up to the Liverpool management to make those decisions. :thinking: I just hope it doesn't go to the last day of the transfer window. :shake:

Why would you want a player at the club that has publicly stated that he wants to leave? His position has become untenable as soon as he went public. Arsenal are well versed in this - just last season Arsene had to admit to himself that RVP was on his way out (for £24m - BARGAIN!).

It's just a case of agreement on price now, I predict it'll be no more than £50m to Arsenal. If RM come back, then it'll be more.

Also, you use a lot of emoticons!
 
The ideal scenario for Suarez and Arsenal would be that he goes there and you fail to get into the CL proper. I might actually die laughing.

No chance. We are, according to the sun, looking at some 26yo (from Algeria or somewhere like that) who was the best passer in league 2 in France!!!! How can we fail? Who needs quality players?
 
No chance. We are, according to the sun, looking at some 26yo (from Algeria or somewhere like that) who was the best passer in league 2 in France!!!! How can we fail? Who needs quality players?

:lol:
 
Why would you want a player at the club that has publicly stated that he wants to leave? His position has become untenable as soon as he went public. Arsenal are well versed in this - just last season Arsene had to admit to himself that RVP was on his way out (for £24m - BARGAIN!).

It's just a case of agreement on price now, I predict it'll be no more than £50m to Arsenal. If RM come back, then it'll be more.

But if you let the player go a lot cheaper than they are worth, then it just encourages others to do the same thing. Yes, there is a point were you cut your losses, but to just throw your hands up and virtually give him away (comparatively speaking) could lead to chaos imho.

I would take £50m now for him, but I don't think Arsenal will ever pay that much. :shake: It's just not in Wenger's DNA. Real is the place he wants to go, but if they buy Bale, which is looking increasingly likely, then they won't have any money for him. Though according to the Sunday papers Real wanted to pay in £20m per year instalments. :eek: So you never know. If I were Spurs I'd take the whole wad of cash now, because they would have to replace him now, and £20m wouldn't do that, even if you were guaranteed money in subsequent years.

And if Suarez were to go to Arsenal, don't be surprised if there were a clauses in his contract for if Real came calling, or Arsenal didn't qualify for the Champions League. I doubt his people will make that mistake again. ;)

Also, you use a lot of emoticons!

It is an internet forum, and I'm aware in real life how some things I say can be misinterpreted face to face, nevermind in print, so the emoticons hopefully get my meaning across correctly. Also, I enjoy using them. :D I just wish they had my favourite 'roll eyes' from other forums. :lol:

I noticed that.

Rather that than 'la' or 'YNWA' at the end of every sentence :naughty::bonk:

I don't think I've every done that either on the internet or in real life. ;)
 
So

Chelsea want Rooney from United
Barcelona want Luiz from Chelsea
United want Fabregas from Barcelona

I can't imagine they're all a million miles apart in terms of valuation - can't they just shuffle them around and be done with it.
 
^^^dinners, it's coming across almost like the trades done in MLB when you have numerous players swapping between different teams; could be a new way of doing transfers?
 
So

Chelsea want Rooney from United
Barcelona want Luiz from Chelsea
United want Fabregas from Barcelona

I can't imagine they're all a million miles apart in terms of valuation - can't they just shuffle them around and be done with it.

Would that be a way of getting around the Financial Fairplay rules? 'We never spent any money'. :lol:
 
They have to sell him, IMO. clean slate with players who want to be there. I don't think any fan who has any football knowledge at all will want him there now under these circumstances.

You're right, I want rid but for him to go to Arsenal is has to be £50m+ I'd happily see him go to RM for just £40m just to wind Wenger up (as he has now shown all along he has cash to splash but has been stubborn to do so till now).
 
You're right, I want rid but for him to go to Arsenal is has to be £50m+ I'd happily see him go to RM for just £40m just to wind Wenger up (as he has now shown all along he has cash to splash but has been stubborn to do so till now).

Stubborn or restricted? All the statements coming out of the club this summer have confirmed a period of restraint was imposed following the stadium move but with new kit & stadium deals we can now feel more secure in spending the cash reserves we've held.
 
Would that be a way of getting around the Financial Fairplay rules? 'We never spent any money'. :lol:

I suspect it would in theory if no money was being spent. Different wages would come into the expenditure equation but I wasn't really being serious.
 
Surely time to get rid of the "You'll never walk alone" mantra - YNWA until we feel like ostracising you. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23610289

The way they've treated the likes of Carroll, Reina, Benitez, even Dalglish - is there another club so bad at PR and dispute resolution?
 
Surely time to get rid of the "You'll never walk alone" mantra - YNWA until we feel like ostracising you. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23610289

The way they've treated the likes of Carroll, Reina, Benitez, even Dalglish - is there another club so bad at PR and dispute resolution?

I'd dispute Reina in that - he got what he deserved - but I'd add RH to the list and I'm a red.

Suarez, however, is getting exactly what he damn well deserves.
 
Absolutely.

What's the resolution here? Can he be forgiven?

Tbh, I'm pretty much done with the whole thing. The clubs name and reputation is in tatters.
 
All these insane valuations sure make Van Persie look cheap.
 
Tbh, I'm pretty much done with the whole thing. The clubs name and reputation is in tatters.

He's certainly tried his utmost to drag it through the dirt, that's for sure. Think most owners would want shot. But with John W Henry, I can this dragging on for some time yet. He's made some quite bold statements in recent weeks (we buy, don't sell / what they smoking over there), so unless the price tag is supremely higher I think he may stay. Even though, most view that Suarez has made his position untenable.
 
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