The Football Thread - Season 2013/2014

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I wouldn't get too hung up on valuations based on stats like gpg. Clubs will look at players based on how they think they will fit into the team they have.

A player's supposed value is pretty much pie in the sky untill both buying and selling clubs agree.

The actual transfer fee of a player depends on which clubs are competing to sign the player, the needs of the buying clubs, the finances of the selling club, the alternatives the selling clubs already have, what other transfers are going on in the chain, agents, overall cost of contracts etc etc
 
Suarez is a funny one which I can't really loose out on.

All good options:

1) He stays at Liverpool rather than strengthen a title rival.

2) He leaves Liverpool and they struggle to maintain 7th.

3) He leaves the country and we're all happy.

4) He leaves for another Premier League Team - Scousers Revolt at his lies and his issues affect some other team.
 
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I saw earlier that Arsenal were offering £42m for Suarez, £35m in cash, and £7m in add ons.

A £40,000,001 offer would be funny though. :lol:

Liverpool feel they have to inform him of any offers over £40m, but they don't have to accept any offers over that price. They seem pretty confident that they are in control over that. :thinking:

I don't see why the best Uruguayan is being touted for around £40m, when the 2nd best has just gone for £55m. :shrug:


As soon as Real can move Higuain on, probably to Napoli by the look of it, they may actually make a bid and give Suarez the move he actually wants. Of course if Real use the money to bid for Bale, I don't think they will go after Suarez too. :shrug:

Higuain actually sits in between Suarez and Cavani in the goals per game stats, with Suarez being the most prolific. Suarez 1.75 gpg, Higuain 1.85 gpg, and Cavani 1.97 gpg. Yet Cavani has been the most sought after. :thinking: :shrug:

I think you've got yourself confused. Higher number is better in regards to goals per game, making Suarez the least prolific going by the goals per game stat you've provided. Although I'm not sure where you've got your stats from. I make it as follows:

1. Cavani - 34 games, 29 goals = 0.853 goals per game
2. Suarez - 33 games, 23 goals = 0.697 goals per game
3. Higuain - 28 games, 16 goals = 0.571 goals per game
(Squawka stats)

Now obviously that's far from the full picture. Both Cavani and Suarez are prolific shot takers (134 and 143, respectively) whilst Higuain takes far fewer shots (48). This reflects in how clinical they are. Higuain is the most clinical, scoring with 33.3% of his shots. Cavani the second most clinical, scoring with 21.6% of his shots. Suarez is the least clinical of the three, scoring with a pretty dismal 16.1% of his shots - a stat that he's improving year on year in the PL, though.

Again, that's not where the comparison ends. You also have to consider their aerial ability, their creative presence, their defensive contributions and so on.

As a creative force, Suarez is streets with 84 key passes compared to Cavani's 27 and Higuain's 17. Despite that Suarez still only has 5 assists. Equal with Higuain and only 1 more than Cavani.

The area where Suarez really stands out is in his dribbling ability. He succeeded with a league high of 95 take ons (at a success rate of 37%) compared to Cavani on 37 (46% success) and Higuain on 20 (44%).

Unsurprisingly Suarez is poor in the air, winning just 12 headers (29% of those he challenged for), compared to Cavani's 30 (41%) and Higuain's 25 (41%).

Defensively, Cavani made the biggest contribution, with a whopping 63 clearances (I'd guess predominantly from corners, but that's speculation on my part), compared to just 21 by Higuain and 6 by Suarez. For the rest of the defensive stats check here.

You're probably beginning to see now that they're quite different players. Suarez is a creative force who can make something happen whilst Higuain and Cavani are the instinctive goal-scorers whom you can depend on to put away a high proportion of the chances they get.

For my money, Cavani is the best of the bunch because of his all-round game. He's clinical with both his head and feet, and he works tirelessly both offensively and defensively.

I'm seeing a growing number of Arsenal fans wanting us to sign Suarez but there's one thing that really puzzles me. 3 months ago the consensus was that what we lacked was an absolutely clinical finisher. Suarez's conversion rate is arguably the very weakest part of his game so it seems strange to me that so many Arsenal fans have lost sight of what it is they were after.

I've done all that without bringing disciplinary records into it, which obviously has an impact on their valuation too ;)

If we sign Suarez I'll be happy by the signal of intent. Time will tell whether it proves a stroke of genius or a mistake. If Wenger can bring his temperament under control - something no other manager has managed - then he'll be an absolute revelation. I'm just not convinced he can ever lose the deeply unpleasant side to his game and when he next causes a controversy you can guarantee the suspensions will only get longer and longer. If we're spending £40m+ on someone I want 40 games a season out of him, not 20!

I'd sooner take Higuain for less and get Fabregas too.

I'm also rather taken by the idea of tempting Luis Gustavo away from Bayer Munich. He'd be an incredible addition to our midfield! He's reportedly available for £8m which is an absolute steal in my eyes!
 
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I think you've got yourself confused. Higher number is better in regards to goals per game, making Suarez the least prolific going by the goals per game stat you've provided. Although I'm not sure where you've got your stats from. I make it as follows:

1. Cavani - 34 games, 29 goals = 0.853 goals per game
2. Suarez - 33 games, 23 goals = 0.697 goals per game
3. Higuain - 28 games, 16 goals = 0.571 goals per game

I suspect Redhed17 was quoting 'games per goal' rather than 'goals per game' ?
 
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If Arsenal really wanted Higuain, wouldn't they have already signed him? To me, that option is dead and buried.

Think it might have been said on here already, but if Higs goes to Napoli, Suarez to RM - who do Arsenal get?

Also, so much focus on signing a striker, Arsenal need defenders and a CM/DM...
 
If Arsenal really wanted Higuain, wouldn't they have already signed him? To me, that option is dead and buried.

Think it might have been said on here already, but if Higs goes to Napoli, Suarez to RM - who do Arsenal get?

Also, so much focus on signing a striker, Arsenal need defenders and a CM/DM...

No, it's not that simple. There's a huge striker merry-go-round this year. RM wouldn't allow Higuain to leave before they felt sure they'd get one of their targets in to replace him. It was thought a deal for him was almost wrapped up before RM suddenly upped the price they wanted from 24 to 32 million. That allowed Napoli back in, and we all know how they like their Argentines.

Got to agree with the need for defenders. Vermaelan, Koscielny and Monreal are all injured leaving us very short at the back. This is another reason I want Gustavo because he can play LB and CB if needed, as well as being a top class DM.

I'm still trying to keep my mind off transfer rubbish because it's such a frustration following the outright lies so many papers get away with publishing.
 
That's true. But barking up one tree to affect another re: Suarez could leave Arsenal with nothing. I really want them to continue their good form from the end of last season. But the teams around them, namely Spurs and City have got/are getting busy with new signings.

I guess you never know with Arsenal, maybe that's the attraction for all you Gooners!
 
I think you've got yourself confused. Higher number is better in regards to goals per game, making Suarez the least prolific going by the goals per game stat you've provided. Although I'm not sure where you've got your stats from. I make it as follows:

1. Cavani - 34 games, 29 goals = 0.853 goals per game
2. Suarez - 33 games, 23 goals = 0.697 goals per game
3. Higuain - 28 games, 16 goals = 0.571 goals per game

It depends how you work it out. I used stats over their careers rather than the last season. I also divided games by goals, whereas you have divided goals by games. If I do it the way you did,

1. Suarez - 243 games, 139 goals = 0.572 goals per game
2. Higuain - 222 games, 120 goals = 0.541 goals per game
3. Cavani - 238 games, 121 goals = 0.508 goals per game

You could say well their current form is what counts, but then is it just the last season? Benteke's form last season was 0.558 goals per game, so maybe he is undervalued. But over his career it is 0.417. Michu was 0.514 last season but is 0.233 over his career. :shrug:

Stats can be swayed in different ways. :shrug: :lol:


Just watched the Melbourne Victory v Liverpool. You'll Never Walk Alone sung by almost the whole ground of 95k+ crowd was very impressive. :clap:

Gerrard scored in the first half. Ibe and Sterling looked lively, swapping wings, though a very young Melbourne side played well throughout the game and deserved a goal. :) Suarez, and almost a whole team of subs came on with about 20 mins to go. :eek: Suarez didn't look his usual live wire self, whether that was pouting because of a potential move or that he has only been back for a couple of days, :shrug: that's what is going to be the speculation though from now on. :bang:

Whatever, he did a bit of magic in the box, which he seems to be able to do more than most, ;) and laid on a goal for Aspas in the last few minutes. :clap:


I see Moaninho is trying to start his mind games with Man City
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Higuain and Reina both having medicals at Napoli today it seems. Higuain deal reported as being done at €37m.

Now I'm concerned about this transfer window.

Bernard would be a nice signing though.
 
We've signed Karl Henry from Wolves. I despair.

I've got a feeling this might turn out to be a good deal, we could do with a midfielder with balls tbh. I've also heard the we've had an offer accepted by Celtic for Gary Hooper. I'd almost given up on anything happening there.
 
I've got a feeling this might turn out to be a good deal, we could do with a midfielder with balls tbh. I've also heard the we've had an offer accepted by Celtic for Gary Hooper. I'd almost given up on anything happening there.

It's possible - I'll admit to viewing most things fairly negatively at the moment. I just really don't think we need another midfielder, if anything we had too many already.

I'm likely to miss going to most matches this season, and I think some time off may help the return of some positive vibes!
 
It's possible - I'll admit to viewing most things fairly negatively at the moment. I just really don't think we need another midfielder, if anything we had too many already.

I'm likely to miss going to most matches this season, and I think some time off may help the return of some positive vibes!

It's been a difficult couple of months for Rs fans, difficult to see positives. Looks like Harry is confident about signing Hooper though.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/233979-harry-redknapp-delighted-to-agree-deal-for-proven-scorer-gary-hooper/
 
I've got a feeling this might turn out to be a good deal, we could do with a midfielder with balls tbh. I've also heard the we've had an offer accepted by Celtic for Gary Hooper. I'd almost given up on anything happening there.

He's been a good player for us (Wolves) over the years but has a bad rep from his time in the Prem and with what's happened to us over the past couple of years that's done him no favours either.

He's a trier though, and could just turn out to be a really good signing for you. I'd certainly be surprised if you get nothing less than 100% from him.
 
He's been a good player for us (Wolves) over the years but has a bad rep from his time in the Prem and with what's happened to us over the past couple of years that's done him no favours either.

He's a trier though, and could just turn out to be a really good signing for you. I'd certainly be surprised if you get nothing less than 100% from him.

Which is what's been lacking from most of our lot over the last 2 seasons. Hopefully he'll manage to instil it in a few others.
 
So Suarez to Arsenal. If that goes through what does it say about our fancy talk about Tue top four? Shell our best player to the team in direct competition for that spot doesn't send out a great message.

Tbh, I just want shot of Luis now, but not to a rival.
 
I've also heard the we've had an offer accepted by Celtic for Gary Hooper.

Hooper is having a medical with Norwich today according to Sky .... Odemwingie is still available, added bonus he still has your ground in his Sat Nav :D
 
I just cannot believe Suarez would go to another English club!, not after what he's said in the press in the last 6 months!
Doesn't make any sense!

That's Football for ya. Dont believe a word from any of them.
 
That's Football for ya. Dont believe a word from any of them.

This. Although why he'd want to go to a club that never wins anything to play in the CL with no chance of winning it I'll never know. He owes us a season for the **** he's put us and the club through, but, hey, that's football and footballers.
 
This. Although why he'd want to go to a club that never wins anything to play in the CL with no chance of winning it I'll never know. He owes us a season for the **** he's put us and the club through, but, hey, that's football and footballers.

:lol: :lol :lol:
 
I'd take him. Best striker in the league so why not

United haven't relied on having the league's top scorers for many of their Premiership titles.
 
United haven't relied on having the league's top scorers for many of their Premiership titles.

If everyone could do it Utd's way they would, and it would all be a bit more competitive too. ;)

They may not always have had 'the' top scorer, but they had one (or more) of the 'top scorers' for most seasons of the Premier League era. :shrug:

Of the 22 years of the Premier League, Utd have had the top scorer for 5 of those years, but had a player in the top three places for 14 of the 22 years. While they have many players scoring from many positions, they have been pretty reliant on a top scorer (or two) in the team, as most successful teams are. :shrug: The top teams have many players throughout the team scoring lots of goals, with many players close or in double figures. :)

In a few seasons they went and bought the previous season's top scorer, for Cole and van Persie, and tried to buy Shearer. And Sheringham had topped the scoring charts prior to joining Utd. :lol:


Apparently Real don't want Suarez, :lol: which no doubt may have had effect of while initially saying he wanted to leave the country because of the media, has now changed his tune to that he wants to leave to play for a team in the Champions League, regardless of the country they are in. :thinking: But as has been mentioned, is playing in the CL enough, if you have little chance of winning it? :shrug: 'If' he goes to Arsenal, does he not realise that he will still have the same problem that he (may have) has had with the media, but it would probably be worse, because London is where the majority of the media is based. :eek: They won't have to travel so far to bother him.

And if he thought his family had problems in Liverpool, where most of the fans (locals) were backing him, what will it be like in a city where millions have little patience with the **** he has gotten up to? :shrug:

Of course if you keep your head down and play within the rules of the game, you can be successful and the media will probably leave you alone. Ask Ryan Giggs. Oh er, unless you do something to draw attention to your personal life. ;) :lol:
 
They may not always have had 'the' top scorer, but they had one (or more) of the 'top scorers' for most seasons of the Premier League era. :shrug:

Of the 22 years of the Premier League, Utd have had ... a player in the top three places for 14 of the 22 years.
I only used United as an example knowing that Phil (who originally said he didn't want suarez) is a United fan ;)
As for the 2 points quoted, there must be other teams that have or are close to having the same record.
Regardless, top scorer doesn't mean he'll automatically fit into any club and suarez wouldn't be greeted warmly by at least one important United defender, or the fans :D
 
I'm coming around to the idea of Arsenal getting him now and having to deal with the fallout when he does something that gets him a really long ban.
 
I'm coming around to the idea of Arsenal getting him now and having to deal with the fallout when he does something that gets him a really long ban.

:lol: It's funny watching the transition of attitudes by both groups of fans.

3 months ago he was hated by Arsenal fans and now his behaviour is dismissed as just an exceptional will to win.

3 months ago he was loved by Liverpool fans and now they're starting to like the fact another club might have to suffer the problems they have previously dismissed as unjust persecution.

Me? I still think he's a ****. Albeit a very talented ****. If Wenger can reign in his behavioural problems it'll be one of the best feats of man-management I've seen. If he can't it'll be a huge mistake for the club. I'm still far from convinced it's a risk worth taking.

Regardless, I am enjoying watching Liverpool fans squirm at the thought :D
 
Jamie, to be genuinely honest with you I'm over it. As soon as he started flirting with you lot he'd lost me and now I just can't be bothered to get worked up about it. As far as I'm concerned get the best price and invest it wisely rather than spending 40 million on Grant Holt!
 
Well done St Johnstone :clap::clap:

Stevie May's finish earned the Perth club a 2:1 aggregate victory over Rosenborg at McDiarmid Park in the Europa League second qualifying round.
 
As soon as all the reports about what Suarez was saying started appearing, and were confirmed, he could go as far as I'm concerned. I don't want any one who doesn't want to play for Liverpool. I just want Liverpool to make him, or anyone else who wants to go, put in a transfer request, and we only let him (them) go when we get a bid for what he (they are) is worth. No way should he be getting a loyalty bonus with some of the **** he's said.

He should be paying the club and the fans a loyalty bonus. ;) :lol:
 
This Fabregas to United story isn't going away.

He wouldn't be my first choice target and I'm still miffed we never landed Thiago Alcantara.

That said we've been limping along without much of a central midfield for a few years now and he'd walk into the side alongside Carrick.
 
I just can't see Fabregas going to United. There's not much left in football that can surprise me, but that would certainly do the trick!
 
I don't think he'll go to Utd, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did. If you do get him I think you'll be tough to beat. I still have City for the league though.

Edit: Pellegrini has stated City's spending isn't over. What money a cheeky Suarez bid? I'd be much happier if he went to City and stopped Utd winning the league and didn't strengthen Arse.
 
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If Barca still want Fabregas, then he should stay, but if they have given him any indication that they want to move him on, or need the money, then Utd is the best choice imho. The fan in me says that he should go back to Arsenal in a perfect world, but he's had a taste winning stuff, and he's more likely to win stuff with Utd if recent history is any indication. The future success at Utd is potentially uncertain with a new manager though. :shrug: Hopefully anyway. ;)

There is a new Barca manager who's only just arrived there and may have opinions on who he wants to keep too, so who knows what he thinks of Fabgregas. :shrug:

Having Moyes apparently so keen to get him to would make Utd more attractive too. It's always nice to be wanted. :D
 
He won't go to Utd. I'd put quite a sum of money on that.

As for City going in for Suarez - not a bad shout at all!

If Arsenal don't land him, I really am not sure who is left for them? Bernard apparently having a medical today?
 
God, I hope we don't go in for Suarez. no doubting his ability, but all the City players are talking about the team spirit Pellegrini is installing in the camp - the last thing we need is Freddie Mercury ruining that. Can't see it myself
 
Suarez wont screw up team spirit - he's universally loved by the Liverpool players. Baggage, yes, but unpopular? No.
 
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