The Football Thread - Season 2013/2014 & World Cup

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cambsno said:
Not making light of the 3rd offence here, but 2 year ban for a bite as people are suggesting is ott

While not excusing it, it is not as bad as tackles that can put a player out for a season or even life. Even if it's a 3rd offence surely it's not right to ban someone far far longer than say a 2 footed leg brake.
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To a certain extent I agree with you. As a solitary incident the reaction would be OTT, I don't know if FIFA will view this as solitary incident and not take domestic incidents into account - I guess we will find out soon.

If we look at the following, which are the worst? Be interesting for people to order them in terms or worse and suitable punishments.

1) Spitting at someone
2) Racially abusing someone
3) Potentially career ending tackle
4) Biting someone
5) Headbutting someone
6) Homophobic abuse
7) Punching someone
8) General abusing of peoples families etc.

Clearly there are others incidents, just top of my head. For me they are all bad, and you could argue the case for one over the other dependant on your point of view. I'm not sure why biting is viewed as worse than some of the above, I guess it's just more shocking than breaking someone's legs as it's so unusual. With Suarez of course he is guilty of more than one.

For all my joking previously I hope he get the help he clearly needs. He deserves a decent ban due to his repeated issues. On the plus side for Liverpool fans if he gets an international ban only he'll be fresher for the season ahead. I can't see Liverpool shipping him out, he's too important - unless he did get some huge domestic ban, in which case they might consider sacking and suing him, but not a hugely likely scenario.
 
Wasn't there a player sacked and the sued for £14m, the cost of his contract?
 
cambsno said:
You miss my point.

Player A makes a very bad tackle, that could or even actually break someones leg. He gets a 3 game ban. He does it again a year later, gets another 3 game ban. Does it again the year after, maybe a bit harsher this time with a 5 game ban. 4th time... you guessed it, a 3 game ban.

Player B bites someone... 4th time... 2 years!

Not saying he should not be punished but Player A could have ended a couple of players careers. Its like the whole spitting thing. I play 5 aside and would much rather someone spat or bit me than go in 2 footed on my kneecap!!!
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It's difficult.

Essentially, tackling is part of the game so as a result you will always get high tackles, late tackles, mistimed tackles, over the ball tackles, raking tackles, two footed tackles. In short there are all manner of tackles that have the potential to end somebody's career. Whether a player does it deliberately or not is very hard to tell. Even for repeat offenders it can just be a by product of their game.

Fifa official Michel D’Hooge told the BBC that “biting is not compatible with normal football practice”

Going up to somebody and biting them is not part of the game and can only be viewed as outrageous and deliberate assault. A better comparison than tackling is somebody just running up to another player and punching them in the face for no reason. For the third time.
 
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akr said:
1) Spitting at someone
2) Racially abusing someone
3) Potentially career ending tackle
4) Biting someone
5) Headbutting someone
6) Homophobic abuse
7) Punching someone
8) General abusing of peoples families etc.
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Firstly, I wouldn't like to put any of those things into an order of severity. Different people will have different choices depending on their life, background and experience.

With regards to all those things mentioned though, most of them you would not be surprised to see on a pitch. Some may be less likely to happen as times have changed thankfully. And indeed, you may not be too shocked to see some of those things in 'real life' under certain circumstances, but biting is just so unusual in football and life in general, that it is very shocking. :eek: That it was also done on the Worlds biggest stage means it should be punished more severely, especially as it is not a first offence.

I have no faith in FIFA to do anything though. :rolleyes: Any decision they make would not surprise me. :(
 
redhed17 said:
Firstly, I wouldn't like to put any of those things into an order of severity. Different people will have different choices depending on their life, background and experience.

With regards to all those things mentioned though, most of them you would not be surprised to see on a pitch. Some may be less likely to happen as times have changed thankfully. And indeed, you may not be too shocked to see some of those things in 'real life' under certain circumstances, but biting is just so unusual in football and life in general, that it is very shocking. :eek: That it was also done on the Worlds biggest stage means it should be punished more severely, especially as it is not a first offence.

I have no faith in FIFA to do anything though. :rolleyes: Any decision they make would not surprise me. :(
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I know what you mean re people would rank them differently, but there should be rules with general guidelines for all of them. My real point is people are calling for all sorts of punishment, I think more so because it is Suarez same as Barton etc. When Shearer kicked Lennon in the head which in my opinion is far more dangerous, there was less furore. I think with lot of these instances you try the person as much as the crime.

Personally I think he should get more because of the repeated times, but not because of the stage. Rules are rules and should be the same whether a league game or a world cup game (IMHO).

I guess if Fifa give him a large ban that would surprise you! Also I assume too big a ban might leave them open to a legal challenge - let's see should all be done fairly shortly.
 
Different players will get different reactions to incidents, good and bad, dependent on their reputations. Should they? No. Do they? Of course.

Different levels of the game will get different penalties for similar incidents. Di Canio gets an 11 match ban for pushing a Ref over, do that in a Sunday League match and you're in danger of getting a life ban. Rules should be the same for every type of incident, or at least very similar depending on the circumstances, which should always be able to be taken into account, which may decrease or increase a set fine/penalty.

And I think over time the different types of transgression will get a certain level of parity of penalty. Where it comes a cropper is when FIFA don't take certain types of offence, notably Racism, as seriously as most people think it should be taken.
 
Result of the investigation to be announced today.
What's the odds on FIFA awarding the incident to Qatar?
 
It's interesting that in the whole of South America thus incident is being taken very flippantly. Only the UK media seems to give much of a crap.
 
The23rdman said:
It's interesting that in the whole of South America thus incident is being taken very flippantly. Only the UK media seems to give much of a crap.
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Different culture. Look at the way refs are attacked in their games sometimes. Maybe biting is not considered such a big thing out there.
 
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It's interesting that in the whole of South America thus incident is being taken very flippantly. Only the UK media seems to give much of a crap.
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I don't think that is the case at all, because in the earlier link which I posted, it would seem that the Uraguayan media are at odds with EVERYONE on this issue.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/25/luis-suarez-bite-uruguayan-english-press-agenda

I think that if this had been his first biting incident, then a ban for the rest of the competition would have been fair, but considering it is his third transgression, then I think he needs to have a long time to think about it, which is why I would suggest at least a year's ban from all competitive football.
 
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Interesting view point I heard today. Suarez away from his usual calming support network in Liverpool. Stresses of World Cup and expectation. Perhaps leading to abnormal response (for most of us).

Whatever his ban, I hope he gets help. Horrible behaviour but I would be sad to not see his skills again in the premier. I'm not condoning his behaviour by the way.
 
Byker28i said:
There's a rumour it's only a 6 match international ban being touted
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Wouldn't surprise me

Length of ban makes no difference really. It's like fining a drug addict, it does nothing to address the issues he has and it will just happen again.
 
dinners said:
Wouldn't surprise me

Length of ban makes no difference really. It's like fining a drug addict, it does nothing to address the issues he has and it will just happen again.
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...........but then you can't really help somebody if they genuinely feel they've done nothing wrong and don't have a problem.
 
Uruguay forward Luis Suarez has been banned for nine matches and banned for four months "from any football activity" after biting Italy defender Giorgio Chiellini.
 
"LS is regarded as having breached article 48 paragraph 1 of the Fifa disciplinary code, and article 57. He is to be suspended for nine official matches. The first match of this suspension is to be served in the upcoming Fifa World Cup game between Uruguay and Colombia." The nine-match ban is from all internationals.

There's also a four-month ban from all football, according to article 22 of the Fifa disciplinary code. And a ban from all football stadiums while matches are in progress, according to article 21. Plus a fine of 100,000 Swiss franks.

The decision is not yet final and binding. An appeal can be lodged by the player or the Uruguay FA only. "The appeal does not have a suspensive effect except with regard to orders to pay a sum of money." So an appeal would not allow Suárez to play in the Round of 16.

Earliest return: Nov 1st v Newcastle
 
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Athletic Bilbao this evening announced that Herrera had bought out his contract with the club, but Manchester United are yet to confirm the move.

Herrera has nevertheless given the game way after updating his profile on the social media platform.......

https://BANNED/anderherrera8

Now confirmed by Manchester United
 
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One site has said that Suarez will miss 13 games for Liverpool. If Liverpool have had any sense they will have put a clause into his contract so they don't have to pay him while he is suspended. If they didn't, then someone at the club needs a slap. :mad:

Two of his sponsors, Adidas and 888 are supposedly considering their relationship with Suarez which could cost him mi££ions. Takes a lot for sponsors to cancel contracts though. :rolleyes: :(

I'm not sure if I think it is enough or not. :thinking:
 
I wonder what Liverpool feel about the Uruguay FA appealing the verdict. They could end up making things worse.
 
dinners said:
...........but then you can't really help somebody if they genuinely feel they've done nothing wrong and don't have a problem.
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And that is exactly how Suarez, his team mates, the Uruguayan F.A and the Uruguayan government see the situation.
 
Delighted with the signing of Herrera.

Sounds like Luke Shaw to follow tomorrow.

Talk about waiting for buses.
 
dinners said:
Delighted with the signing of Herrera.

Sounds like Luke Shaw to follow tomorrow.

Talk about waiting for buses.
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Bet Moyes is delighted too! ;)

Going to be an interesting season next year for you - let's see who else you sign. We will be there to scoop up anyone you release, subject to them being over 30 and demanding a huge wage.
 
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