The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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Not really but I suppose that's never stopped you, or many others before. So you think The F.A should have gone against what they have done in all previous games this season and over-ruled the referee?

The F.A is actually one of the best run football organisations in the world, but the bashing never stops....
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Really, the farce over Capello's new contract and being able to choose his captain, McLaren for example. The time taken to sort out Burton, the fact that they give bans to managers for pointing out poor refs, and not applying common sense like punishing players even if ref has seen it and got it wrong, punishing divers and cheats...
 
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Rumours earlier today on twitter from a good source that Theo had agreed unofficial personal terms with Chelsea, but there's hope it's just the agent manipulating the system to put him in the strongest position to negotiate more money from Arsenal. Hopefully that's the case. I'd sooner lose RVP than Theo, and that's saying something!
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Very disappointed if thats the case, sums up the sort of club we are!! We are happy to pay many players £50k per week who are rubbish, yet wont find a bit extra to keep a very good player!!
 
cambsno said:
Very disappointed if thats the case, sums up the sort of club we are!! We are happy to pay many players £50k per week who are rubbish, yet wont find a bit extra to keep a very good player!!
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Apparently lots of interesting things said in the post-match press conference today and Wenger even said to have suggested he's not been as free with funds as the board have indicated, although quotes aren't yet published anywhere.

I suspect Wenger giving Theo the striker role will have come with a talk along the lines of "I feel you're ready to try playing striker, go out there and prove you deserve to play that role", and he did just that.

The positive thing is keeping Theo could prove the cheaper option, which is sure to appeal to our board. To find a similar replacement would require 100k per week plus a hefty transfer fee, so may as well pay the player we currently have what he deserves according to the market rate. I'm still hopeful he'll sign a new contract, but it may well prove to be a fool's hope!
 
cambsno said:
Really, the farce over Capello's new contract and being able to choose his captain, McLaren for example. The time taken to sort out Burton, the fact that they give bans to managers for pointing out poor refs, and not applying common sense like punishing players even if ref has seen it and got it wrong, punishing divers and cheats...
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Really - I know we won't agree so I will simply bid you goodnight :)
 
Suso confirmed to have been fined £10,000 by the FA for a comment on twitter. I didn't see the comment itself but apparently he called Enrique gay :lol:
 
TriggerHappy said:
Suso confirmed to have been fined £10,000 by the FA for a comment on twitter. I didn't see the comment itself but apparently he called Enrique gay :lol:
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ridiculous

this was the tweet:

""What f*** is he doing? This guy is gay... he does everything except play football."

The FA might want to have a lesson in culture. In this context the term "gay" means "lame".
 
joescrivens said:
ridiculous

this was the tweet:

""What f*** is he doing? This guy is gay... he does everything except play football."

The FA might want to have a lesson in culture. In this context the term "gay" means "lame".
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I agree, it was rather gay of them :D
 
akr said:
Premier League Clubs 'agree' spending rules

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20773526

Though plans not yet fully drawn up....not quite sure how they could make it work but would like to see it if they could. I'm not convinced.
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As I've said in the past - In theory it should benefit the clubs who generate the greatest turnover - not those with the deepst pockets or the richest owners.

Like FFP - the grey area is exactly what the clubs are claiming to be 'income' to get around the system.

Sheikh Mansour put 400m into City for a 10-year agreement to rename the stadium The Etihad stadium. The precedent for the 'fair value' ruling was Arsenal's deal with Emirates valued at £90m over 15 years. Etihad are owned by the Abu Dhabi government and the airline associated with City owner, Sheikh Mansour, a member of the Abu Dhabi royal family. His money going into his club as 'income'. City don't own the stadium but Manchester city council allowed City to rename the stadium in exchange for 20m over 5 years rental increase.

All clubs will have plans to generate what can be termed 'income' and it remains to be seen exactly what the conclusions of the of the required 'fair value' assessments for sponsorship deals will be.

It would be unfair to call it hypocrisy however Chelsea backing FFP and the Premier League Proposal is an interesting one as it goes totally against their business model of the past decade. They're now in a relatively healthy position at the top table having already boosted their revenues and no longer need that business model so are backing a proposal which ultimately restricts other clubs from benefitting from the wealth and leniency they enjoyed.

The Glazers continue to increased United's revenue to record levels and whilst the new Prem League Proposal or Uefa Financial Fair Play is an ideal situation for United - the key factor is how the Glazers divide the pie between investing in the team and taking money out to service the debt they incurred in buying the club.

I'm not sure what I think or what I favour to be honest. The general consensus seems to be that some control is required and whilst the likes of City and Chelsea (who have already laid their foundations) will pass FFP - it's going to be more difficult for the future clubs / wannabe Sheiks and Oil Barons.
 
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The problem with such a cap, as I understand it from current proposals, is that it caps the annual amount that a club can increase it's wage bill to a fixed percentage. Say 5%. This means that it can only perpetuate the wage gap, and not allow smaller clubs to catch up with the big spending clubs.

Rumours flying that Sturridge and Ince to Liverpool are all but done and could be announced imminently. As always, take with a pinch of salt!
 
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There's two parts to it although it's the 'principals' that are being talked about just now rather than the figures.

The first part is essentially - 'breaking even' as a business. The second is the salary cap or salary progression cap.
 
£30m spent so far + £5m & 100K p/w to get Sahin on loan. Another £18m on the way....

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dinners said:
£30m spent so far + £5m & 100K p/w to get Sahin on loan. Another £18m on the way....
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Love the way you convienently forget to mention the offset with the sales of players, so actually it's actually a net total of £20 mil minus the sale of maxi rodriguez which was undisclosed.

But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story eh Phil? You never normally do :thumbs:
 
Net Spend - that old chestnut.

I didn't give it that much thought - I just wanted an excuse to post the dance.
 
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Champions League Draw tomorrow.

Not sure If I'd like Celtic or not but it would make for some great banter up here.

Group Runners-up B: Arsenal FC (ENG)
Can play: PSG, Málaga, Dortmund, Juventus, Bayern, Barcelona

Group Winners H: Manchester United FC (ENG)
Can play: Porto, Milan, Real Madrid, Shakhtar, Valencia, Celtic

Group Runners-up G: Celtic FC (SCO)
Can play: PSG, Schalke, Málaga, Dortmund, Juventus, Bayern, Manchester United
 
My lot are doing well against the 7th most valuable football team in the world.....1-0 up at half time will do nicely!! :D
 
Slimbert said:
My lot are doing well against the 7th most valuable football team in the world.....1-0 up at half time will do nicely!! :D
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You have to remember the Istanbul Protocol..........no lauding it until the final, final whistle :nono:
 
mindcrime said:
You have to remember the Istanbul Protocol..........no lauding it until the final, final whistle :nono:
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:lol:

I think that result was always on the cards tbh!!

Looking forward to the transfer window.....will be good to see how deep our new owners pockets are!! :D
 
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Champions League Draw tomorrow.

Not sure If I'd like Celtic or not but it would make for some great banter up here.

Group Runners-up B: Arsenal FC (ENG)
Can play: PSG, Málaga, Dortmund, Juventus, Bayern, Barcelona

Group Winners H: Manchester United FC (ENG)
Can play: Porto, Milan, Real Madrid, Shakhtar, Valencia, Celtic

Group Runners-up G: Celtic FC (SCO)
Can play: PSG, Schalke, Málaga, Dortmund, Juventus, Bayern, Manchester United
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Lets hope that man united draw Real Madrid.
 
if i were you Joe, i'd put your money on utd to win the CL now. Once they smash Madrid out of it, it will send shockwaves through the whole of Europe :cool:
 
Bayern Munich looks to be a tough fixture for us but I can't wait to see that clash!
 
leftcurl said:
if i were you Joe, i'd put your money on utd to win the CL now. Once they smash Madrid out of it, it will send shockwaves through the whole of Europe :cool:
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14-1 so I might put a tenner on it, £140 will sooth the pain if they do win it
 
If you wanted a real money spinner you should have put a tenner on the draw being identical to the earlier practice draw at odds of 1679/1! I really hope someone, somewhere took a punt on that!

Edit: Liverpool have drawn Zenit. That should be a good couple of games too!
 
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Happy with Real Madrid. It's what the CL is all about. Celtic would have been great too.
 
PSG have just agreed a new sponsorship deal worth a staggering £150m per year; far beyond any interpretation of the market rate. If permitted, it will make more of a mockery of FFP than the already dubious deals agreed by the likes on Man City and Chelsea.
 
dinners said:
As I've said in the past - In theory it should benefit the clubs who generate the greatest turnover - not those with the deepst pockets or the richest owners.

Like FFP - the grey area is exactly what the clubs are claiming to be 'income' to get around the system.

Sheikh Mansour put 400m into City for a 10-year agreement to rename the stadium The Etihad stadium. The precedent for the 'fair value' ruling was Arsenal's deal with Emirates valued at £90m over 15 years. Etihad are owned by the Abu Dhabi government and the airline associated with City owner, Sheikh Mansour, a member of the Abu Dhabi royal family. His money going into his club as 'income'. City don't own the stadium but Manchester city council allowed City to rename the stadium in exchange for 20m over 5 years rental increase.

All clubs will have plans to generate what can be termed 'income' and it remains to be seen exactly what the conclusions of the of the required 'fair value' assessments for sponsorship deals will be.

It would be unfair to call it hypocrisy however Chelsea backing FFP and the Premier League Proposal is an interesting one as it goes totally against their business model of the past decade. They're now in a relatively healthy position at the top table having already boosted their revenues and no longer need that business model so are backing a proposal which ultimately restricts other clubs from benefitting from the wealth and leniency they enjoyed.

The Glazers continue to increased United's revenue to record levels and whilst the new Prem League Proposal or Uefa Financial Fair Play is an ideal situation for United - the key factor is how the Glazers divide the pie between investing in the team and taking money out to service the debt they incurred in buying the club.

I'm not sure what I think or what I favour to be honest. The general consensus seems to be that some control is required and whilst the likes of City and Chelsea (who have already laid their foundations) will pass FFP - it's going to be more difficult for the future clubs / wannabe Sheiks and Oil Barons.
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And today was the turn of Paris Saint-Germain :lol:


Paris Saint-Germain (owned by the Qatar Investment Authority) have clinched a massive deal with the Qatar Tourism Authority that will bring the Ligue 1 leaders more than €150 million over each of the next four seasons. PSG have spent vast sums on players since the Qatar Investment Authority's takeover.

The agreement with the QTA, a body linked to the Qatari state that is aimed at promoting tourism in the Arab state, was revealed to French football's financial watchdog, the DNCG, on Tuesday, Le Parisien reports. It is not a sponsorship agreement but a "vast publicity campaign intended to promote the image of Qatar", the paper adds.

Retroactive for 2012, it will boost PSG's coffers by €150 million for the current campaign, increasing progressively to a minimum of €200 million in its final season, 2015-2016. That sum could be even larger, with the contract containing bonus clauses based on the team's performances in European competition.

The initial influx of revenue will help balance PSG's books for the current season, and keep them in line with UEFA Financial Fair Play guidelines. With European football's governing body taking into account clubs' finances as of the 2011-12 season, the deal with the QTA is a major boost for PSG. A recent France Football article had claimed nothing short of victory in the Champions League final this season would ensure the club met UEFA criteria.
 
TriggerHappy said:
PSG have just agreed a new sponsorship deal worth a staggering £150m per year; far beyond any interpretation of the market rate. If permitted, it will make more of a mockery of FFP than the already dubious deals agreed by the likes on Man City and Chelsea.
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I just posted about that too :lol:

There are small clubs on the brink of bankruptcy that need these regulations to manage a more sustainable business strategy. FFP is about them first and foremost.

The Sugar Daddy clubs are not naturally at the top of the revenue tree (that's why they were cheap attractive clubs to buy in the first place) so will continue to inflate their revenue with rather eyebrow raising deals such as these.

'Fair Value' deals are investigated but I doubt anything will happen.

Platini's son is a representative of the owners so don't hold your breath on this one.
 
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