The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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TriggerHappy said:
I'm sorry, I have no idea what point you're trying to make now :)
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It is a shame that the ref's decisions can impact a game's result, I agree. But it has done for years .... no one has come up with a way to satisfy everyone in resolving the problem :D
 
dinners said:
Roles reversed today.

It's normally Liverpool that struggle at Anfield against the bottom teams but it was our turn today.
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LOL
 
new2me said:
It is a shame that the ref's decisions can impact a game's result, I agree. But it has done for years .... no one has come up with a way to satisfy everyone in resolving the problem :D
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Ah I'm with you again :)

The bigger problem is that a red like today will punish Liverpool in their next game whereas Evans not only gets to stay on the pitch, but also avoids future suspension. I'm not sure I agree with a challenge system or anything but I think there should be retrospective punishment for issues the ref has addressed, rather than only for things he's missed entirely.
 
dinners said:
Roles reversed today.

It's normally Liverpool that struggle at Anfield against the bottom teams but it was our turn today.

That said, being the better side has seen us leave empty handed in recent seasons so we were due one.

The Shelvey sending off was justified as was the penalty for United.

I think the Suarez penalty could have easily been awarded too but he doesn't do himself any favours.
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I'm sorry, mate, but that's ridiculous. Your penalty was a result of falling over and, yes, Shelvey has to go, but Evans has to go too.

The fact that we were the better side even with 10 men speaks well for the future and if Buck loses his job before Christmas I am done with football for good.
 
Why is everybody harping on about Evans? He was far closer to the ball, played the ball and took the ball cleanly. Shelvey went in from a fair old stretch, went in way over the ball and straight at Evans leg. Just watch where both players are looking. It wasn't the worse tackle ever made but was a red card all day long.
 
dinners said:
Why is everybody harping on about Evans? He was far closer to the ball, played the ball and took the ball cleanly. Shelvey went in from a fair old stretch, went in way over the ball and straight at Evans leg. Just watch where both players are looking. It wasn't the worse tackle ever made but was a red card all day long.
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Sorry, but you must be blinded by bias if you believe that. Have a look again... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3ex7AoCEAAcsyK.jpg
 
I'm a bit confused by the Evans outcry. I watched the first half in a local bar and along with several other United fans thought the card was harsh, but not shocking. End of. I got fed up with kids around me and returned home to listen to the radio instead, as the 1st half performance was so poor.

All I am hearing on the radio is that Evans should have gone too? I dont get it.
Shelvey did what Gascoigne did in the 1990 world cup in my eyes; hard in on first player, then flew into the second :shrug:

A still proves nothing - and you can barely see the ball in that pic, so cannot judge it's position in relation to the players :shrug:
 
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I'm not blinded - just amazed that people think it's unfair on Shelvey because Evan's wasn't treated the same. You would have to ask the ref for his explanation but I suspect he saw one take the ball ahead of the other taking a leg.
 
Gervinho goes off, 90mins too late. Is currently level with Gus ceasar as the worst arsenal player.
 
dinners said:
I'm not blinded - just amazed that people think it's unfair on Shelvey because Evan's wasn't treated the same. You would have to ask the ref for his explanation but I suspect he saw one take the ball ahead of the other taking a leg.
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Not unfair on Shelvey, he deserved to go. Unfair on Liverpool because Evans didn't, not to mention the equally bad challenge by Rafael, I think, second half. Then there were the obvious pens.

Despite all this the performance was fantastic and Suso looks a player.

Anyone heard anything re Agger?
 
cambsno said:
Gervinho goes off, 90mins too late. Is currently level with Gus ceasar as the worst arsenal player.
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Did you not see him last week? He was phenomenal. A little more consistency and he'll be fantastic.

I suppose you're one of those who'd have Walcott, Gervinho, Ramsey, Jenkinson, Gibbs, Diaby, Wenger and god knows who else from Arsenal. :shrug:
 
TriggerHappy said:
Did you not see him last week? He was phenomenal. A little more consistency and he'll be fantastic.

I suppose you're one of those who'd have Walcott, Gervinho, Ramsey, Jenkinson, Gibbs, Diaby, Wenger and god knows who else from Arsenal. :shrug:
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Against Southampton!!! He has one of the worst 1st touches I have seen, and virtually every game last year he was poor. Jenkinson I really like, a good honest player, Gibbs too if only he could stay fit! Walcott has a number of faults but is 10 times the player gervino is. Ramsey a decent squad player. Diaby I have to say I am not impressed with and needs more than just 4 good games to prove he is deserving of a starting place. Certainly he should be the one to make way when wilshire is back. Giroud should have started up top.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Sorry, but you must be blinded by bias if you believe that. Have a look again... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3ex7AoCEAAcsyK.jpg
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The photo does not prove anything...it is a still....the fact that Evans has already touched the ball and Shelvey hasn't (photo shows that)....shows to some extent why the ref produced a red card but it is far from conclusive!

Re the penalty ...a slight clip on the heels of Valencia made him go down....a little too easy for my liking but I am not a pro footballer anymore.

Check twitter out re the vile things being said about Halsey.....isn't that a bit rich coming from the Liverpool fans especially as what they are asking for.

Nice to see that because of the game today and the manner in which a team won/lost, full on passion for the future fixtures will resume.
 
tiler65 said:
Check twitter out re the vile things being said about Halsey.....isn't that a bit rich coming from the Liverpool fans especially as what they are asking for.
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Doesnt surprise me in the slightest... always the victim...
 
cambsno said:
Doesnt surprise me in the slightest... always the victim...
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What a crass and scumbag thing to say.
 
cambsno said:
Doesnt surprise me in the slightest... always the victim...
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Not called for, this is a banter thread (hopefully) but although we can report what things are said/wrote elsewhere, we must stay true to the way we behave in this thread.

Liverpool fans have been vindicated by the Justice campaign, we should honour that.

Name calling doesn't bother me, it will to some though.

I hope you understand.
 
What that picture shows is the manner in which they both challenge for the ball. Shelvey stretches out a single leg whilst Evans jumps off his feet and goes in two-footed, studs up and legs locked straight. In terms of which of the two challenges was more dangerous there's no discussion that Evans' tackle was the worse of the two.

Don't mistake this as a defence of Shelvey because it's not, but Evans was every bit as responsible for a dangerous challenge as Shelvey Not to mention the potential repercussions to the match outcome and future matches had both seen red and faced suspension.
 
TriggerHappy said:
What that picture shows is the manner in which they both challenge for the ball. Shelvey stretches out a single leg whilst Evans jumps off his feet and goes in two-footed, studs up and legs locked straight. In terms of which of the two challenges was more dangerous there's no discussion that Evans' tackle was the worse of the two.
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Both Evans legs are not straight.....go to specsavers....and his right leg actually bends underneath him ( you have to watch the video)

Like I say...the still is no proof.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Shelvey stretches out a single leg whilst Evans jumps off his feet and goes in two-footed.
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Don't dwell on it. The pic is a snap shot. A split second later and his other leg was pretty much in contact with Evans ... the ref has made his decision.

Apparently a CHelsea player got away with something much worse yesterday ... only playing Stoke, so who cares :shrug:
 
tiler65 said:
Not called for, this is a banter thread (hopefully) but although we can report what things are said/wrote elsewhere, we must stay true to the way we behave in this thread.

Liverpool fans have been vindicated by the Justice campaign, we should honour that.

Name calling doesn't bother me, it will to some though.

I hope you understand.
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Its actually a general thing for me, most Liverpool fans I know have a huge chip on their shoulder about everything - the way they tried to blame Evra last year for example.
 
I thought it was a yellow at the time and still do.Don't understand why Evans well timed tackle is causing a stir though
 
tiler65 said:
Both Evans legs are not straight.....go to specsavers....and his right leg actually bends underneath him ( you have to watch the video)

Like I say...the still is no proof.
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On the note of "go to specsavers" I'm done with this. You can't find reason where bias occupies!
 
Jjm said:
I thought it was a yellow at the time and still do.Don't understand why Evans well timed tackle is causing a stir though
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Because he went in two footed with his studs up maybe?
 
new2me said:
It works both ways though. What are your thoughts on the David Luiz tackle yesterday?
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It was high and dangerous. A red would have been completely justified. And I'd say just the same had it been an Arsenal player fly in to a tackle in that way.
 
TriggerHappy said:
It was high and dangerous. A red would have been completely justified. And I'd say just the same had it been an Arsenal player fly in to a tackle in that way.
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That's fair enough then Jamie, but I didn't notice any comments about it earlier. Folk give United fans a hard time about defending their club and players, but it's not surprising when 'neutrals' choose to examine their games so closely and look for 'stills' to justify an argument. As you say, you're finished with this discussion and so am I :)
 
new2me said:
That's fair enough then Jamie, but I didn't notice any comments about it earlier. Folk give United fans a hard time about defending their club and players, but it's not surprising when 'neutrals' choose to examine their games so closely and look for 'stills' to justify an argument. As you say, you're finished with this discussion and so am I :)
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I didn't mention the tackle yesterday because it was slightly different in that it was one guilty person and another on the receiving end and as such is pretty clear cut. I don't think anyone would say it was a fair or clean challenge.

What wound me up so much today was how glaringly obvious preferential or inconsistent the treatment was. The tackle today was two equally guilty people in my opinion and deserved equal punishment. To a limited extent I couldn't care what the rules of the game are providing that they're enforced uniformly and fairly.

On to more pleasing topics; I'm delighted with the way Arsenal shaped up against City. A point at the Etihad is great and in all honesty I think we've come away a little disappointed we couldn't be more clinical with our chances having enjoyed more control and opportunity in the game. It reinforces the optimism I have for this season. I feel we have a very nice team shaping up so early in to the new season after such upheaval.
 
It also appears Terry has retired from international football if my twitter feed is to be trusted.
 
Yep, a good result at the United (Unity?) Stadium today.

As for uniformed enforcement, the rules are too wishy washy and open to ref's interpretation. I heard one reporter today saying that a ref had suggested a player dived in a game for a better chance of a penalty. The rules are a mess ... it's just a shame (or hilarious) that people don't see the effects throughout the league.
 
The23rdman said:
Because he went in two footed with his studs up maybe?
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Obviously the ref doesn't have much to go on but as this is pretty much the view the ref had I can see why he came up with the decision he did.

The angle Evans is travelling at is not directly at Shelvey and he attempts to side foot the ball with his right foot. The only reason Evans ends up anywhere near Shelvey is that Shelvey aims way off to the right and hits Evans.

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Watched the game on sky plus. General consesus from the people I spoke to included a lot of man u fans is that the ref has had a mare. Evans gets away with a tackle equally as bad as shelvey and they should have either both gone, or both got yellows.

Suarez should have had a pen and Valencia is the new Ashley young, two weeks in a row with dives.

Great goal from rafael

Liverpool outplayed manure The majority of the game which was pleasing to watch, on this occasion the better team did not win, but that's football.

I cheered myself up by watching the clip of manure losing the title again last season :D
 
joescrivens said:
I cheered myself up by watching the clip of manure losing the title again last season :D
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I've got the extended highlights of Arsenal's comeback against Spurs last season saved to my computer for when I need a football themed pick me up :D
 
joescrivens said:
bad calls according to gary neville .... didn't he used to play for man united? :D
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Yeah but I thought he was an idiot lol

I said earlier that the one I think he got wrong was the Suarez penalty claim but I think that Suarez ruined his own chances on that one.
 
I'd take everything Mark Lawrenson says with a monumental pinch of salt!
 
Not me you numpty LOL

When I said.......

Yeah but I thought he was an idot LOL

.....I was meaning, since when did you listen to Gary Neville as I thought you considered him an idiot.
 
TriggerHappy said:
It also appears Terry has retired from international football if my twitter feed is to be trusted.
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Bad news. Found innocent in a court of law but still hounded by this and the FA looking for a scapegoat of some kind. He still has something to offer and if he goes it should be because he wants to prolong career or Roy says he doesnt want him. He is no angel, but I dont think anyone can question his desire on the pitch or his will to win for England.
 
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