The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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dinners said:
.....I was meaning, since when did you listen to Gary Neville as I thought you considered him an idiot.
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That's exactly my point. You're making out like because lawro says the ref got it right it must be right afterall the pundits on MOD said it. When the general consensus is that lawro knows b****r all, but since he is a liverpool fan it must be true.

I raised your lawro and served you up another idiot - rat boy - on the same strength - he's a pundit and a man u fan so it MUST be true what he thought :clap:
 
TriggerHappy said:
I'd take everything Mark Lawrenson says with a monumental pinch of salt!
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I take everybody with a pinch of salt when it comes to football opinions and same goes for on here. Including myself.;)

I only mentioned the three fellas on MOTD thought the ref called things correctly - because Joe had said that everybody he had spoken to said the ref had a mare.

I was just highlightling the fact that you can find whatever opinions you want to back up your own view for these types of tackles or penalty shouts.
 
dinners said:
I only mentioned the three fellas on MOTD thought the ref called things correctly - because Joe had said that everybody he had spoken to said the ref had a mare.
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Unfortunately I don't have the MOD pundits on my iphone contacts so I couldn't speak to them :lol: (also I said it was the general consensus, not that everyone thought it)

also hearing reports that there was some singing of "always the victim" by the some of the manure supporters being kept in the stadium at the end.

Absolutely dispicable but nothing less than I expected.
 
joescrivens said:
Evans gets away with a tackle equally as bad as shelvey and they should have either both gone, or both got yellows.
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Just watched it on MOTD and couldn't agree more. Think the fact that Shelvey just got up and walked away didn't help his cause. If he'd also rolled around like he'd been shot he might not have been sent off.
 
There was chanting after the final whistle Joe unfortunately. Sky Sports had the mics ready and showed it on the hour and they even subtitled it. The main songs were:

'Justice for Heysel'
'Always the Victim' - (some sing as a Hillsborough song, some just to rib the general hard done by mentality of the club) - but we've discussed all that and today wasn't the time to sing it.
'Where's your famous Munich Song'
The Heysel 'Murderers' song.
When asked to sit down they sang ‘if it wasn’t for the Scousers we could stand’

There were ejections for Munich stuff too but that won't really make the news. The ATV singing after the final whistle came after some Liverpool fans ran over to the visiting support doing aeroplanes.
 
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TalkSport were making a big deal of the Always The Victim taunts from the fans AFTER THE GAME

It's ridiculous. Football can be a great game, but the majority of fans, not the minority, can be bloody stupid. The football media machine keeps feeding off the stupidity and in turn feeds the foolish fanatics.

Liverpool fans did themselves no favours by booing a guy who had the audacity to challenge racist remarks from a fellow professional. It's all in the past now. Come the return match, the same ***** will be doing the aeroplane dance and being as vile as ever when they visit Old Trafford

No-one talking about the champions this weekend (are you Blackburn in disguise?)
 
new2me said:
TalkSport were making a big deal of the Always The Victim taunts from the fans AFTER THE GAME

It's ridiculous. Football can be a great game, but the majority of fans, not the minority, can be bloody stupid. The football media machine keeps feeding off the stupidity and in turn feeds the foolish fanatics.

Liverpool fans did themselves no favours by booing a guy who had the audacity to challenge racist remarks from a fellow professional. It's all in the past now. Come the return match, the same ***** will be doing the aeroplane dance and being as vile as ever when they visit Old Trafford

No-one talking about the champions this weekend (are you Blackburn in disguise?)
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Couldn't agree more. The media thrive on the controversy of handshakes, tunnel 'bust ups', songs chanted and whatever balotelli is rumoured to have done this time. Most of it is needless hype, spin and exaggeration to grab headlines and create a frenzy that sells papers.

There's also no accounting for the moronic minority present in every fan base, who will do anything to get under each other's skin. In some ways it was unfortunate that such a big day for Liverpool as a club and city should come against their most bitter of rivals because of the opportunity to create headlines but generally speaking it was a good demonstration of the underlying mutual respect that exists between clubs and their fans. Of course all the gestures of decency and sympathy won't be grabbing column inches tomorrow but that's our wonderful media for you :shrug:
 
joescrivens said:
That's exactly my point. You're making out like because lawro says the ref got it right it must be right afterall the pundits on MOD said it. When the general consensus is that lawro knows b****r all, but since he is a liverpool fan it must be true.

I raised your lawro and served you up another idiot - rat boy - on the same strength - he's a pundit and a man u fan so it MUST be true what he thought :clap:
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Actually, despite my intense dislike for ratboy as a person I think he's an excellent pundit.
 
While we are talking about chanting Joe, I take it you have seen the videos of the Liverpool fans at Sunderland last week?
 
tiler65 said:
While we are talking about chanting Joe, I take it you have seen the videos of the Liverpool fans at Sunderland last week?
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All equally disgusting.
 
TriggerHappy said:
It also appears Terry has retired from international football if my twitter feed is to be trusted.
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He's not ruled out getting kitted up and coming on to collect a trophy if England ever win anything though. ;)
 
cambsno said:
Bad news. Found innocent in a court of law but still hounded by this and the FA looking for a scapegoat of some kind. He still has something to offer and if he goes it should be because he wants to prolong career or Roy says he doesnt want him. He is no angel, but I dont think anyone can question his desire on the pitch or his will to win for England.
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Strictly speaking found not guilty, certainly the court ruling didn't find him innocent, in that he did say the words he originally claimed he didn't.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.html

There was reasonable doubt in the case against him, mainly due to the testimony of Ashley Cole, so quite rightly he was found not guilty.

It doesn't mean he didn't utter those words or more. This was a huge embarrassment to the FA racism campaign as this was the England (and former) captain. I believe the FA were within their rights to discipline the player, just as I wish they'd drag the divers up before them on a monday morning.

Will he be missed? I doubt it. He's been slow the last couple of seasons, been repeatedly fouling to make up for his lack of pace, but he can put himself in a good position at times and his football skill still allows him to make great tackles. However, his lack of pace and fouling makes him a possible liability at international games, where his reputation doesn't give him an often favourable outcome.
 
Oh and Liverpool/Man u

Suarez dived - plane and simple no penalty.
Valencia dived after the faintest of touches. I'd say no penalty as well. Hopefully this constant falling over will go noticed by refs.
Neither as blatant as Chelsea, something should be done about this by the FA.

Shelvey could have gone either way. A red was a little harsh, a yellow would have been a little lenient. Don't understand the call for Evans to be booked as well, as Shelvey was hugely stretched and studded him.

Liverpool looked good though, Man U looked poor but as usual, still pulled a win out of the bag.
 
tiler65 said:
So are you condoning what one set of fans does but anything said against Liverpool is disgusting?
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no I'm not codoning it. I'm saying that I'm sure maggie doesn't take it to heart. :shrug: (I'm pretty sure that was what I wrote?)

I've heard that song sung at matches before, a lot of people in this country will be happy when maggie thatcher dies. Singing about someones death is not really very clever whenever any supporters sing it. From my experience of hearing that sung at matches 90% of the people singing it probably don't even know who maggie thatcher is but sing along through the catchiness of the rhyme.

Are we going to go through all the teams and pick out their innapropriate songs now?
 
joescrivens said:
also hearing reports that there was some singing of "always the victim" by the some of the manure supporters being kept in the stadium at the end.

Absolutely dispicable but nothing less than I expected.
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joescrivens said:
I'm sure maggie won't take it to heart.
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tiler65 said:
So are you condoning what one set of fans does but anything said against Liverpool is disgusting?
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Joe, you are not giving the ATV singers any cause to stop, don't you see that you are just fuelling the fire?
 
Nice to see Manchester United paying tribute and showing respect to the 96 today. The minute in which they have scored most of their winning goals, deserves such respect.
 
tiler65 said:
So are you condoning what one set of fans does but anything said against Liverpool is disgusting?
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But those are the rules now aren't they ?

That's what the "Ashamed of nothing, offended by everything" slogan is about.

joescrivens said:
.........sing along through the catchiness of the rhyme.

Are we going to go through all the teams and pick out their innapropriate songs now?
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Yep - it's the fault of the catchy tune :lol:

No let's not trawl for innapropriate chants. Serves no point and we could all find them.
 
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tiler65 said:
Joe, you are not giving the ATV singers any cause to stop, don't you see that you are just fuelling the fire?
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What am I doing to fuel the fire?

1. Man U fans singing songs related to hillborough (then claiming they aren't) at the match which had tributes to the event from both teams was dispicable - agree or disagree?

2. It's never clever to sing about someone's death - agree or disagree?

3. Maggie thatcher won't take it to heart - agree or disagree?

4. Most idiots singing songs like this don't even know what the hell they are singing about - agree or disagree?
 
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dinners said:
Yep - it's the fault of the catchy tune :lol:
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Missed the point as usual phil.

It shows the ignorance of people that they sing songs they don't even know the meaning of. If you choose to sing a political song you should find out what the hell you are singing first.
 
joescrivens said:
What am I doing to fuel the fire?

1. Man U fans singing songs related to hillborough (then claiming they aren't) at the match which had tributes to the event from both teams was dispicable - agree or disagree?

2. It's never clever to sing about someone's death - agree or disagree?

3. Maggie thatcher won't take it to heart - agree or disagree?

4. Most idiots singing songs like this don't even know what the hell they are singing about - agree or disagree?
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1 - It's wrong to sing songs about Hillsborough at any time. Some United fans sing ATV as a Hillsborough song and some sing it for a whole raft of other reasons. I know this for a fact. All Liverpool fans will claim it's a Hillsborough song. That's about it really.

2 - Yes it's never clever to sing about someone's death

3 - Including Maggie Thatcher

4 - Agreed. A percentage won't know the meaning behind some of the songs they join in with however some chants (including that catchy one) only require a basic grasp of English to understand it's not nice.
 
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joescrivens said:
and by the way, theres an interesting blog post I read which seems quite poignent at this time regarding songs and not having a bloody clue what you are singing, and it's from a man u fan (well, perhaps not so much a fan anymore)

have a read:

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/footba...-houses-proves-your-ignorance-of-the-rivalry/
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Just read it.........not a clever piece at all, lots of incorrect facts and political left-wingism but forgetting that by 'paying' to watch a football match he is in fact joining the capitalist set. (something left whingers never seem to grasp)

The songs about rats in their cities is purely a 'our city is better than yours' thing - nothing to do with politics.
 
dinners said:
some chants (including that catchy one) only require a basic grasp of English to understand.
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that surprises me to hear you say that.

Understanding what the actual words mean and understanding where it comes from and why are two totally different things don't you think?
 
dinners said:
1 - It's wrong to sing songs about Hillsborough at any time. Some United fans sing ATV as a Hillsborough song and some sing it for a whole raft of other reasons. I know this for a fact. All Liverpool fans will claim it's a Hillsborough song. That's about it really.

2 - Yes it's never clever to sing about someone's death

3 - Including Maggie Thatcher

4 - Agreed. A percentage won't know the meaning behind some of the songs they join in with however some chants (including that catchy one) only require a basic grasp of English to understand it's not nice.
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What Phil said.
 
tiler65 said:
Just read it.........not a clever piece at all, lots of incorrect facts and political left-wingism but forgetting that by 'paying' to watch a football match he is in fact joining the capitalist set. (something left whingers never seem to grasp)

The songs about rats in their cities is purely a 'our city is better than yours' thing - nothing to do with politics.
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nail. head. complete miss
 
joescrivens said:
Missed the point as usual phil.
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I didn't miss the point at all Joe unless you were making a point that you somehow failed to get over ?

I just found it funny that you were contradicting yourself left right and centre and digging yourself even deeper.
 
dinners said:
I didn't miss the point at all Joe unless you were making a point that you somehow failed to get over ?

I just found it funny that you were contradicting yourself left right and centre and digging yourself even deeper.
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disagree mate. and if you don't see it by now then there really is no point in us discussing it anymore. :shrug:
 
dinners said:
I'm just responding to your posts and questions Joe that's all.
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I know that you are. But you are failing to get the point after explaining it several times and at this point it would seem better if we left it there, wouldn't you agree?
 
joescrivens said:
that surprises me to hear you say that.

Understanding what the actual words mean and understanding where it comes from and why are two totally different things don't you think?
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I agree that there is a difference but I think you have to take the song itself into account.

A song such as the Maggie song (I'm just using that as an example on here) is about having a party when she dies. Everybody must know what they're singing is not nice regardless of whether they know why they're singing it. To me there is no excuse for singing a song like this.

By contrast there are other songs (go to an Old Firm match) and you will hear some fairly deep rooted anti-semitic songs being sung by children who probably haven't got a clue what they're singing about.
 
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dinners said:
Everybody must know what they're singing is not nice regardless of whether they know why they're singing it.
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But why are you bringing this up exactly?

My point wasn't that people don't know that a song is bad or good or realise that it's about having a party after maggie thatcher died, I've never disputed that. It was a general point about a load of 17 year olds not knowing who the hell maggie thatcher even is and why anyone will be happy she was dead.

Thats my point. If you are going to get involved with singing a song - whatever it may be - don't just sing it cos it has a catchy tune and everyone else is, don't be so damned ignorant, make sure you know what the hell you are actually singing about and why.

Lots of the youth around the country at football matches singing they'll be happy when maggie thatcher is dead don't even know she is a real person and not some made up name just because it rhymes with a catchy tune.
 
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dinners said:
A percentage won't know the meaning behind some of the songs they join in with however some chants (including that catchy one) only require a basic grasp of English to understand it's not nice.
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joescrivens said:
that surprises me to hear you say that.

Understanding what the actual words mean and understanding where it comes from and why are two totally different things don't you think?
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dinners said:
I agree that there is a difference but I think you have to take the song itself into account.

A song such as the Maggie song (I'm just using that as an example on here) is about having a party when she dies. Everybody must know what they're singing is not nice regardless of whether they know why they're singing it. To me there is no excuse for singing a song like this.

By contrast there are other songs (go to an Old Firm match) and you will hear some fairly deep rooted anti-semitic songs being sung by children who probably haven't got a clue what they're singing about.
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joescrivens said:
But why are you bringing this up exactly?
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:shrug: It was an answer to your question Joe :bonk:
 
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