The Football Thread - Season 2011/2012 - Part 2

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PMK said:
If we are looking at this objectively, which it seems you find difficult, surely you'd rather take a big forward who has been in form most of the season. Someone like Crouch, even Holt...
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no, I'd like to take someone who is in form right now. The rest of the season is irrelevant.
 
Holt has maintained form all season. Not to mention the amount of desire to win he's demonstrated. As a player he's far more dangerous and consistent than Carroll who's only played well for 2.5 hours this season. But of course because Holt only plays for Norwich not one of the *big* clubs he wont be considered as a serious contender. Ruddy best get selected too, but again I fear Hughes will go with the size of the name rather than the actual performance of players this season.
 
redddraggon said:
Hughes? Are you talking about Hogdeson?
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Haha, yes. Can you tell I've just woken up? :D
I also type holy instead of holt, but that seemed to take my appreciation for him a little far.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Holt has maintained form all season. Not to mention the amount of desire to win he's demonstrated. As a player he's far more dangerous and consistent than Carroll who's only played well for 2.5 hours this season. But of course because Holt only plays for Norwich not one of the *big* clubs he wont be considered as a serious contender. Ruddy best get selected too, but again I fear Hughes will go with the size of the name rather than the actual performance of players this season.
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i like holt, but he's not as good as caroll when they are both in form. Caroll is a better player so if he's in form, he should go to the euro's over holt.

Of course the question of whether caroll will maintain his form or not is what the manager has to decide. But on merits, if they are both playing to their best then caroll is better than holt.
 
joescrivens said:
i like holt, but he's not as good as caroll when they are both in form. Caroll is a better player so if he's in form, he should go to the euro's over holt.

Of course the question of whether caroll will maintain his form or not is what the manager has to decide. But on merits, if they are both playing to their best then caroll is better than holt.
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I don't think 3, 4 games at a push, constitutes 'form'.
 
PMK said:
I don't think 3, 4 games at a push, constitutes 'form'.
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well, thankfully you aren't managing England so it's not your decision :lol:

we have two friendlies coming up, if I were hodgson I'd play holt one half and caroll the other in both games, or play caroll one game and holt the other. Whoever performs best goes to the euro's
 
joescrivens said:
well, thankfully you aren't managing England so it's not your decision :lol:

we have two friendlies coming up, if I were hodgson I'd play holt one half and caroll the other in both games, or play caroll one game and holt the other. Whoever performs best goes to the euro's
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I dont think either should go - Carroll has had a few good games, thats all, and needs 99 chances to score. Had he stayed with Toon, I think he would have gone, and he certainly could be a good player in the future - not now. Holt, I am not sure about. Yes, he has scored goals but its one thing doing it against the likes of Bolton, Wolves, Blackburn and Liverpool and another against France, Germany etc...

As Roy is liikely to take just 4 strikers (Walcott would be a 5th option but counts as a mid), it would need to be Rooney and Crouch on form - then Bent if fit is a must. Sturridge and Welbeck are better than Carroll on form, and then you have Defoe - poor season but left on bench for most and we know how dangerous he can be.
 
cambsno said:
I dont think either should go - Carroll has had a few good games, thats all, and needs 99 chances to score. Had he stayed with Toon, I think he would have gone, and he certainly could be a good player in the future - not now. Holt, I am not sure about. Yes, he has scored goals but its one thing doing it against the likes of Bolton, Wolves, Blackburn and Liverpool and another against France, Germany etc...

As Roy is liikely to take just 4 strikers (Walcott would be a 5th option but counts as a mid), it would need to be Rooney and Crouch on form - then Bent if fit is a must. Sturridge and Welbeck are better than Carroll on form, and then you have Defoe - poor season but left on bench for most and we know how dangerous he can be.
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if you take sturridge, welbeck, rooney and defoe then you have no variety. They all do the same thing.

Whilst caroll might not be scoring a lot right now, look at his hold up play. Last night he must have got 90% of every ball sent to him. One of the nippy strikers playing off caroll will score more goals with him in the team, and since it's all about the number of goals a team scores rather than an individual. for that reason he must go
 
Rooney is a World Class player - to me Sturridge and Wellbeck are similar but Defoe is a 'Michael Owen type'. We have Crouch, and if we did need another hold up man, I would go for Kevin Davies who is a better player than Carroll and very under-rated.
 
cambsno said:
Rooney is a World Class knobjockey - to me Sturridge and Wellbeck are similar but Defoe is a 'Michael Owen type'. We have Crouch, and if we did need another hold up man, I would go for Kevin Davies who is a better player than Carroll and very under-rated.
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corrected that for you.

I think when caroll is on his game he is much better than crouch - crouch is tall and a handful but he's weak and lanky. He's not strong like holt or caroll. Kevin davies is a bruiser and can hold himself but he isn't of the class of caroll or holt - he's also a liability for cards. Isn't he the most booked player for several seasons in a row?
 
Not sure if Rooney is a knobjocky or not Joe but if it's anything to go by - he was also talking today about how good Carroll is.
 
joescrivens said:
corrected that for you.

I think when caroll is on his game he is much better than crouch - crouch is tall and a handful but he's weak and lanky. He's not strong like holt or caroll. Kevin davies is a bruiser and can hold himself but he isn't of the class of caroll or holt - he's also a liability for cards. Isn't he the most booked player for several seasons in a row?
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IF Carroll is on his game you mean - Crouch has been pretty consistent this season, and if you look at Sturridge and Welbeck and Carroll, none of those are that experienced - Crouch is.

Davies has proved himself over many seasons, not just 1 or 2 and is the ideal target man.
 
cambsno said:
IF Carroll is on his game you mean - Crouch has been pretty consistent this season, and if you look at Sturridge and Welbeck and Carroll, none of those are that experienced - Crouch is.

Davies has proved himself over many seasons, not just 1 or 2 and is the ideal target man.
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experience isn't everything. Look at germany's team in the last world cup. They were largely young inexperienced nationals.

you can't have it both ways. You wanted capello gone because he picked the dinosaurs, now you want those dinosaurs in the team
 
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Four strikers:

Rooney, Wellbeck, Sturridge, Crouch.

I don't think many people (other than delusional Liverpool fans) will be saying Andy Carroll should go after 3 decent games.

But hey, stranger things have happened in football...
 
PMK said:
Four strikers:

Rooney, Wellbeck, Sturridge, Crouch.

I don't think many people (other than delusional Liverpool fans) will be saying Andy Carroll should go after 3 decent games.

But hey, stranger things have happened in football...
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I'd have holt or Defoe in there before wellbeck.
 
New stat for the day:

Man United have had 51 less shots than Liverpool this season but scored 41 more goals than them. Clinical!
 
joescrivens said:
yeah, but he's not suarez, so it doesn't get mentioned. Only suarez is the big bad wolf capable of things like that you see
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Looked innocuous to me... Carroll was asking for it and left his leg trailing :D
 
TriggerHappy said:
New stat for the day:

Man United have had 51 less shots than Liverpool this season but scored 41 more goals than them. Clinical!
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and yet .......... no silverware for the first time in 10 years :eek::eek:

... so far anyway. The fat lady hasn't sung yet!
 
joescrivens said:
and yet .......... no silverware for the first time in 10 years :eek::eek:

... so far anyway. The fat lady hasn't sung yet!
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I thought you'd be saving that kind of desperate comparison for the end of the season Joe. :lol:
 
PMK said:
Defoe hasn't played enough I don't think.

I am a fan of Holt's - but can't see Roy taking two big men.
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True, but I don't know what Wellbeck brings to the party. He's incredibly similar to Sturridge but not quite as good and not quite as flexible in where he can play either. I suppose he does offer a familiar partnership for Rooney, that's the only reason for his inclusion I can think of.
 
dinners said:
I thought you'd be saving that kind of desperate comparison for the end of the season Joe. :lol:
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oh it's no comparison. I'm talking about united in isolation. It's not desperate either - it's just embarassing ..... for united ;)
 
For all the merits Grant Holt has, I can't see much past Peter Crouch.

However, with 10 minutes to go and needing a goal from somewhere Andy Carroll would be an interesting proposition to be able to bring on wouldn't he?
 
dinners said:
Earth calling Joe :cuckoo:
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we'll see at the end of the season if you don't win - what your team thinks about it. You may not want to admit it - but i'm sure your captain, who has previously said that the season will have been a write off if you don't win the prem, may not agree with you :thumbs:
 
Yes Joe you've said it all before.

Players say what they need to say and whilst you're wrong, I do understand why you would choose to cling to the thought that it might 'actually' be embarassing for us.
 
dinners said:
Yes Joe you've said it all before.

Players say what they need to say and whilst you're wrong, I do understand why you would choose to cling to the thought that it might 'actually' be embarassing for us.
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so by saying "i'm wrong" you are saying that you thinking it hasn't been embarrassing for utd is fact rather than opinion..... right?

Or is it just that "in your opinion .... it hasn't been embarassing" whereas in my opinion and that of your captain it will be embarassing?
 
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There's not a club in the world that would be 'embarrassed' to finish 2nd. Ok, it's not quite lived up to the lofty expectations they've set for themselves with seasons of unprecedented success and they'll feel disappointed, but an embarrassment it is not.

I can't believe I just stood up for united!
 
er.......right

I am not embarrassed. That is a fact.

You obviously think I am - so are therefore wrong.

There's honestly nowhere for you to go with this one Joe.
 
dinners said:
er.......right

I am not embarrassed. That is a fact.

You obviously think I am - so are therefore wrong.

There's honestly nowhere for you to go with this one Joe.
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Who said you were embarrassed?

I was talking about the club being embarrassed. Which the captain agrees with. I can't be wrong that i think the club is embarrassed, it's an opinion, let's face it out of five competitions they have only done well in 1, and the other 4 were all huge failures.

We'll see how the club feels about it at the end of the season.
 
You've said it all before about three times now Joe.

Still just sounds like you're either on a wind up or deluded on the matter.

Disapointed yes - embarrassed no.
 
well there is still one game left, so this could all be arbritrary anyway. There's still chance the QPR could pull off a result and save united the embarassment of the least successful season for 10 years. It's not beyond them!
 
joescrivens said:
QPR could pull off a result and save united the embarassment of the least successful season for 10 years. It's not beyond them!
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:lol:

You're choosing your words as if you're leading some sort of childish campaign for the 'United should be embarrassed' party.

If QPR take something from the City game and United get a decent result to win the title then great. If City win the league by the odd point then I'll be disapointed at a close 2nd but there's really not much more to it than that.
 
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