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And Cotswold at £2239

The other brand Cotswold also own Caneras Dori is at £2219
 
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f/2.8 said:
And Cotswold at £2239

The other brand Cotswold also own Caneras Dori is at £2219
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Strange that the same company has different pricing :thinking:
 
Basically means in 6 months time it'll be sub-2k

A7Rv is now £2k for grey, give or take, that's a £4k body in UK at release.
 
nandbytes said:
Basically means in 6 months time it'll be sub-2k

A7Rv is now £2k for grey, give or take, that's a £4k body in UK at release.
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£2k for the A7RV is a relative bargain. I wish the A1 series was as keenly priced.
 
nandbytes said:
A7RV is now 3 years old
A1ii just one year.

Feels like A7RVI is the next body to come.... lets see....
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Yep but the A1 is still over £3k grey. I know the A1 was a lot more than the A7RV at launch but I’ve always said the A1 (and A1 II) are overpriced.
 
snerkler said:
Yep but the A1 is still over £3k grey. I know the A1 was a lot more than the A7RV at launch but I’ve always said the A1 (and A1 II) are overpriced.
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I don't know if they are.
Canon R1 for example is £7K (UK price)
would you feel it was less overpriced if it was oversized like R1? :ROFLMAO:
 
snerkler said:
I’m sure they’ll get close to the Cotswolds price if you ask ;)
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They do that with everything their other brand cameras dori is always slightly cheaper.Assume it’s because Cotswold is U.K based and their other brand isn’t. Payment details etc for both are the same.
 
snerkler said:
A7V DR tests are out, seems Sony's claims are correct. I would trust these over the Northrups any day of the week. It seems it doesn't have the dual gain of the A7IV though.

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Results with A7V electronic shutter is out. Just as I expected it takes a massive hit with ES, about 1.5 stops!
Compared to A7IV about half stop lower and still half-stop ahead of Z6iii

And as I suspected uses dual gain when using electronic shutter at ISO1000 as petapixel guys said. Makes me trust them a bit more now :D

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f/2.8 said:
They do that with everything their other brand cameras dori is always slightly cheaper.Assume it’s because Cotswold is U.K based and their other brand isn’t. Payment details etc for both are the same.
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Cotswold do loyalty points. So basically 1% discount of purchase off future purchase. That looks close to the difference in price. That reminds me I have 50 odd quid sitting there that needs spending. Much wait for teh 16-28 F2 and not be tempted with other lenses
 
nandbytes said:
Results with A7V electronic shutter is out. Just as I expected it takes a massive hit with ES, about 1.5 stops!
Compared to A7IV about half stop lower and still half-stop ahead of Z6iii

And as I suspected uses dual gain when using electronic shutter at ISO1000 as petapixel guys said. Makes me trust them a bit more now :D

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Interesting, that is quite a hit, and a much bigger hit that the Canon R5 II, however the R5 II has a lower DR to start with the the DR in ES is similar for both (see below)

I'm actually in discussion with Bill at the moment regarding the DR on the A1 with electronic shutter, I'm hoping to send files over at some point this weekend. If the behaviour is similar to the A7V I shall definitely rethink using the ES for landscapes.

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pmac said:
Would it not be the S line or do we think that’s dead now?
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Possibly, it's a bit up in the air whether Sony are going to continue with this or just have the FX line instead.
 
snerkler said:
Interesting, that is quite a hit, and a much bigger hit that the Canon R5 II, however the R5 II has a lower DR to start with the the DR in ES is similar for both (see below)

I'm actually in discussion with Bill at the moment regarding the DR on the A1 with electronic shutter, I'm hoping to send files over at some point this weekend. If the behaviour is similar to the A7V I shall definitely rethink using the ES for landscapes.

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R5II has a fully stacked sensor. As dpreview explained in one their videos the term "partially stacked" is simply a nice marketing term, its not a huge lot different from a normal BSI sensor, just with a faster readout circuitry.

A1/ii have fully stacked sensors. if A9 readings are anything to go by, there will be no difference on the A9/ii or A1/ii between mechanical and electronic shutter.
 
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R5II has a fully stacked sensor. As dpreview explained in one their videos the term "partially stacked" is simply a nice marketing term, its not a huge lot different from a normal BSI sensor, just with a faster readout circuitry.

A1/ii have fully stacked sensors. if A9 readings are anything to go by, there will be no difference on the A9/ii or A1/ii between mechanical and electronic shutter.
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Why does a partially stacked sensor take such a hit in DR over fully stacked, is it sacrificing data to improve speed as it's not as fast as fully stacked?
 
pmac said:
Would it not be the S line or do we think that’s dead now?
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not sure really sure... A7V is getting slated for video features in comparison to R6iii.
though R6iii overheats doing open gate and can only record RAW to single card plus again overheats etc

I guess with A7S they could all add these without overheating....
 
snerkler said:
Why does a partially stacked sensor take such a hit in DR over fully stacked, is it sacrificing data to improve speed as it's not as fast as fully stacked?
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That'd be my guess. partially stacked doesn't seem to have much "stacking" at all and just a term coined by manufactured to get "stacking" into marketing material.

you can watch just the 3-6 minutes he explains a little
View: https://youtu.be/580VQsbCw2Q?si=Zsj_0mBRMUKNLXS9&t=190
 
wookie6262 said:
Cotswold do loyalty points. So basically 1% discount of purchase off future purchase. That looks close to the difference in price. That reminds me I have 50 odd quid sitting there that needs spending. Much wait for teh 16-28 F2 and not be tempted with other lenses
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Cameras Dori also have a loyalty scheme. Like I said previously the price difference is likely because one of their brand names is based in the U.K and the other is not.

For every GBP 1 spent on eligible products, members earn 1 loyalty point, automatically added to their account once the order is confirmed and dispatched. To earn points, members must be logged into their CamerasDori account before making a purchase and checking out. Please note that points cannot be credited retroactively after a purchase is completed. Points may not be earned on all types of transactions, such as shipping fees, taxes, or certain discounted products, unless specifically noted. CamerasDori may also run special promotions, offering members the chance to earn additional points on selected purchases.
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Hmmm, I am off to HK in Jan and the RRP over there is exactly £2000 for A7v (only local warranty though) :thinking:
 
NewBeetle said:
Hmmm, I am off to HK in Jan and the RRP over there is exactly £2000 for A7v (only local warranty though) :thinking:
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An extra £239 for a 3 year ‘uk’ warranty is probably worth it imo.
 
snerkler said:
As Tommy says insurance won’t cover faults (y)
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Some policies do but it costs quite a bit more. I have it on mine but with a pretty heavy 500 excess on repairs. When I wasn't making money from my cameras my home policy only covered damage not faults.
 
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wookie6262 said:
Some policies do but it costs quite a bit more. I have it on mine but with a pretty heavy 500 excess on repairs. When I wasn't making money from my cameras my home policy only covered damage not faults.
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I pay £1200 a year including public liability and mine doesn’t cover repairs because of faults.
 
f/2.8 said:
I pay £1200 a year including public liability and mine doesn’t cover repairs because of faults.
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This is the line from my Hiscox Policy. - Property - equipment breakdown £5,000 cover £250 excess £19.60 cost I am guessing that any item that simply breaks down and is not dropped etc would be unlikely to cost more than 5 grand to fix.
 
snerkler said:
Why does a partially stacked sensor take such a hit in DR over fully stacked, is it sacrificing data to improve speed as it's not as fast as fully stacked?
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A bit more information about the sensor in A7V

petapixel.com

The Sony a7 V's Sensor Is Even More Impressive Than it Seemed

The Sony a7 V is a cutting-edge camera.
petapixel.com petapixel.com

Tbh overall I think this sensor is good. For action we are shooting at higher ISOs anyway where dual gain kicks in.
There is about 0.5stops is dynamic range loss at lower ISOs compared to A7IV or A1 series. That's a fair trade-off for blackout free shooting, higher fps and cheaper body.

And for landscapes where you can shoot base ISO with mechanical shutter, you get the highest DR available on a FF camera, and close to MF. Funnily not a boost available on A1 series.
 
nandbytes said:
A bit more information about the sensor in A7V

petapixel.com

The Sony a7 V's Sensor Is Even More Impressive Than it Seemed

The Sony a7 V is a cutting-edge camera.
petapixel.com petapixel.com

Tbh overall I think this sensor is good. For action we are shooting at higher ISOs anyway where dual gain kicks in.
There is about 0.5stops is dynamic range loss at lower ISOs compared to A7IV or A1 series. That's a fair trade-off for blackout free shooting, higher fps and cheaper body.

And for landscapes where you can shoot base ISO with mechanical shutter, you get the highest DR available on a FF camera, and close to MF. Funnily not a boost available on A1 series.
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What do you mean by "not a boost available with on the A1"?
 
wookie6262 said:
This is the line from my Hiscox Policy. - Property - equipment breakdown £5,000 cover £250 excess £19.60 cost I am guessing that any item that simply breaks down and is not dropped etc would be unlikely to cost more than 5 grand to fix.
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That’s pretty good I was with them a few years ago but the price went up a lot so switched. To be fair by the time any of my stuff has exceeded warranty period it’s usually replaced anyway. So probably not a big deal.
 
snerkler said:
Interesting, that is quite a hit, and a much bigger hit that the Canon R5 II, however the R5 II has a lower DR to start with the the DR in ES is similar for both (see below)

I'm actually in discussion with Bill at the moment regarding the DR on the A1 with electronic shutter, I'm hoping to send files over at some point this weekend. If the behaviour is similar to the A7V I shall definitely rethink using the ES for landscapes.
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I still don't fully understand this partially stacked sensor because some people claim it's much the same as the fully stacked sensor while others show it's more like a normal sensor. Something of interest though to your point is that the Nikon Z8 and Z9 are fully stacked sensors and lack a mechanical shutter completely but the Z6III which came after them and has a partially stacked sensor does have a mechanical shutter. That choice seems in line with the A7V results above suggesting Nikon knew there was a penalty with the electronic shutter so kept the mechanical shutter but the same issue wasn't present on the Z8/Z9.
 
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