The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

rookies said:
I did enjoy the Sony when I had it. Liked the mirrorless and live view etc. But now the A7 iii coming it seems to ticks all boxes for me.

If I went D850 it would cost me £1800 then another lens.

Am thinking it all throughly.
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No disrespect but a D850 is in a completely different league to an A7iii, compare it to an A7riii by all means, but not an A7iii


twist said:
Are Sony worldwide no2? Since when?

How does it feel that your a9 is worthless garbage now.... and probably also your a7r3 ha ha. I can just imagine you freaking out all over facebook.
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What utter [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER], been seeing this all over the sites today... though I assume your saying it in jest
 
What a debate....nice! :)

Tom Green said:
I didn’t say they aren’t.

Neither did I say they are dog crap.

Let’s be honest. After the A7III, anyone with an A9 it’s probably kicking themselves a bit - sat trying to justify to themselves why it is worth £2k more than an A7III (which to 99% of people, it isn’t)

The way I see it is, if I want to make any money out of photography I need gear that will do the job I need it to for the best money, allowing me to maximise profit. If I opened a chauffeuring business, I could go and get a Bentley or I could go and get an E class Merc - both would do the job I need it to and clients would be happy. The main difference is that one would be a bit more flashy and take me a hell of a lot longer to get a decent ROI.
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I'ma Nikon guy and I'm still buying the a9, as soon as it's back in stock. The release of the a7iii changes nothing for me, I do not need the slog or the 10fps mechanical....and let's be honest, it won't perform as well as the a9 with that sensor.
 
Tom Green said:
I didn’t say they aren’t.

Neither did I say they are dog crap.

Let’s be honest. After the A7III, anyone with an A9 it’s probably kicking themselves a bit - sat trying to justify to themselves why it is worth £2k more than an A7III (which to 99% of people, it isn’t)
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What a silly statement, the Sony A9’s feature set is unmatched so it’s pretty easy to justify it if you want what it offers, if you don’t need its features then buy the A7 III or A7 III
But let’s not kids ourselves, the A7 III is no A9 performer!

The Sony A7 III has 2x better AF compared to the A7 II, which quite frankly was poor to begin with, so it’s not going to match the Sony A9 AF system for responsiveness / speed.

The Sony A9’s AF system is still the top dog out of the Sony FE bodies.
 
jonneymendoza said:
So what are you complaining about the lenses? just the price?

Some of the lenses are better then the canikon equivalent and as i said, you can use third party lenses from samyang and soon to be sigma for cheaper then Sony ones.

Why would any A9 users be kicking themselves? Does the A9 all of a s*** camera?

Does the IQ and its features degrade now?

Must be.

Better throw my A9 in the bin because the IQ and its features ahve degraded.

It can only do 1fps shooting now with about a 5 stop DR only. damm u sony!
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You should digest comments before hissy fitting and sending back uneducated responses - a lot of the comments you're making are putting words into my mouth or mis-contextualising what I am saying.

So let me write it in plain English for you, here goes:

  • Sony have a great system with amazing cameras, lenses, IQ and innovation
  • Sony have great but very expensive lenses - more expensive than the competition (in some cases they are better, but not better enough to justify the price e.g. Nikon 24-120, Canon 24-105 vs Sony 24-105 JUST AND EXAMPLE)
  • The Sony A9, A7RII, A7RIII are all great cameras and still are great, how good they are doesn't change with a new release - but in terms of specs and performance, no way on this planet is the A9 work £2 grand more than the A7III - sorry, it's still a great camera and still does amazing things but twice as good as A7III? No.
  • FOR ME, and ME ONLY the D750 represents better value AT THE MOMENT than the Sony system WITH THE LENSES I WANT. £2k vs £4-£5k for a similar set up. This takes nothing away from the quality of Sony but I bet 98% of people wouldn't tell the difference in output (again you could argue this with £1k of kit vs £2k of kit, or whatever)
  • Third party lenses via an Adapter to keep costs down are a sorry excuse in my opinion and it shouldn't need to be the case (Sigma lens resale values will be more in E-mount than using adapted versions, but buying second hand will be more expensive)
  • Dumping tonnes of money on every new item that comes out won't make improvements to justify the expense in most cases
Any more justification you need?

Please read the whole response before rushing a reply and probably almost breaking your keyboard typing in a rage.

:pompous:(y)
 
Riz_Guru said:
What a silly statement, the Sony A9’s feature set is unmatched so it’s pretty easy to justify it if you want what it offers, if you don’t need its features then buy the A7 III or A7 III
But let’s not kids ourselves, the A7 III is no A9 performer!

The Sony A7 III has 2x better AF compared to the A7 II, which quite frankly was poor to begin with, so it’s not going to match the Sony A9 AF system for responsiveness / speed.

The Sony A9’s AF system is still the top dog out of the Sony FE bodies.
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Of course it is still the top dog - but most people don't need the extra and will never need the extra. They might find it nice to have and that's fine.
 
PauBass said:
What a debate....nice! :)



I'ma Nikon guy and I'm still buying the a9, as soon as it's back in stock. The release of the a7iii changes nothing for me, I do not need the slog or the 10fps mechanical....and let's be honest, it won't perform as well as the a9 with that sensor.
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Good - thats absolutely fine and I am sure that will be a cracking decision for you. You're right, the A9 is better - guess its value is different to each different individual.
 
Tom Green said:
You should digest comments before hissy fitting and sending back uneducated responses - a lot of the comments you're making are putting words into my mouth or mis-contextualising what I am saying.

So let me write it in plain English for you, here goes:

  • Sony have a great system with amazing cameras, lenses, IQ and innovation
  • Sony have great but very expensive lenses - more expensive than the competition (in some cases they are better, but not better enough to justify the price e.g. Nikon 24-120, Canon 24-105 vs Sony 24-105 JUST AND EXAMPLE)
  • The Sony A9, A7RII, A7RIII are all great cameras and still are great, how good they are doesn't change with a new release - but in terms of specs and performance, no way on this planet is the A9 work £2 grand more than the A7III - sorry, it's still a great camera and still does amazing things but twice as good as A7III? No.
  • FOR ME, and ME ONLY the D750 represents better value AT THE MOMENT than the Sony system WITH THE LENSES I WANT. £2k vs £4-£5k for a similar set up. This takes nothing away from the quality of Sony but I bet 98% of people wouldn't tell the difference in output (again you could argue this with £1k of kit vs £2k of kit, or whatever)
  • Third party lenses via an Adapter to keep costs down are a sorry excuse in my opinion and it shouldn't need to be the case (Sigma lens resale values will be more in E-mount than using adapted versions, but buying second hand will be more expensive)
  • Dumping tonnes of money on every new item that comes out won't make improvements to justify the expense in most cases
Any more justification you need?

Please read the whole response before rushing a reply and probably almost breaking your keyboard typing in a rage.

:pompous:(y)
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Rage?? I’m pretty relaxed actually.
Thanks for your lengthy response, now go buy your Brickon. ;) lol
 
Am I missing something, has the A7iii has real world testing already? If not how can people comment on how good the AF system may or may not be?
 
PauBass said:
What a debate....nice! :)



I'ma Nikon guy and I'm still buying the a9, as soon as it's back in stock. The release of the a7iii changes nothing for me, I do not need the slog or the 10fps mechanical....and let's be honest, it won't perform as well as the a9 with that sensor.
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What do you have now and what makes you want to swap to the A9?
 
Tom Green said:
You should digest comments before hissy fitting and sending back uneducated responses - a lot of the comments you're making are putting words into my mouth or mis-contextualising what I am saying.

So let me write it in plain English for you, here goes:

  • Sony have a great system with amazing cameras, lenses, IQ and innovation
  • Sony have great but very expensive lenses - more expensive than the competition (in some cases they are better, but not better enough to justify the price e.g. Nikon 24-120, Canon 24-105 vs Sony 24-105 JUST AND EXAMPLE)
  • The Sony A9, A7RII, A7RIII are all great cameras and still are great, how good they are doesn't change with a new release - but in terms of specs and performance, no way on this planet is the A9 work £2 grand more than the A7III - sorry, it's still a great camera and still does amazing things but twice as good as A7III? No.
  • FOR ME, and ME ONLY the D750 represents better value AT THE MOMENT than the Sony system WITH THE LENSES I WANT. £2k vs £4-£5k for a similar set up. This takes nothing away from the quality of Sony but I bet 98% of people wouldn't tell the difference in output (again you could argue this with £1k of kit vs £2k of kit, or whatever)
  • Third party lenses via an Adapter to keep costs down are a sorry excuse in my opinion and it shouldn't need to be the case (Sigma lens resale values will be more in E-mount than using adapted versions, but buying second hand will be more expensive)
  • Dumping tonnes of money on every new item that comes out won't make improvements to justify the expense in most cases
Any more justification you need?

Please read the whole response before rushing a reply and probably almost breaking your keyboard typing in a rage.

:pompous:(y)
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Did you read my post when i said people who get what they want from a d750 should stick with it instead of mungling over the Sony series?

Why did you get a A7mk2 and kit lens i presume when you knew beforehand that the other sony glass is expensive to jump on-board properly?

WHy not stick with the d750?

Nothing wrong with sticking with the d750 for price performance ratio for your needs. Do it. sell up all your sony and just shoot with the d750 and its native lenses and enjoy
 
nandbytes said:
Do tell? apart from higher resolution what more does it offer?
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Which one? the D850 or the A7riii perhaps read the spec sheets for both? cos theirs more than you think or do you really think Sony would give the purchaser of their entry level camera all the same goodies as the top of the range camera's? for near as dammit half the price?

PS dont confuse getting the same number of focus points as having the same AF speed etc as the A9, not gonna happen, can't happen
 
snerkler said:
What do you have now and what makes you want to swap to the A9?
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I have a Nikon D750 and it's been a while I have been considering moving to a mirrorless system.I have tried a few but quality was not there to my taste, now the Sony full frame seem to tick all the boxes for me.
I do lots of children studio photography, for that I need fast AF, they are worst than wildlife, something I also do :)
In addition I also do events, some soprts and I'm getting more into weddings. The speed of that AF, paired with the silent shutter, no black out, great image quality, super EVF, file size, good video for my needs....ticks all the boxes for me and it will be my work tool.
 
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magicaxeman said:
Which one? the D850 or the A7riii perhaps read the spec sheets for both? cos theirs more than you think or do you really think Sony would give the purchaser of their entry level camera all the same goodies as the top of the range camera's? for near as dammit half the price?

PS dont confuse getting the same number of focus points as having the same AF speed etc as the A9, not gonna happen, can't happen
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We know the specs apart from MP what better on d850 over a7iii this what the guy wondering as we talking about a7iii
 
jonneymendoza said:
Did you read my post when i said people who get what they want from a d750 should stick with it instead of mungling over the Sony series?

Why did you get a A7mk2 and kit lens i presume when you knew beforehand that the other sony glass is expensive to jump on-board properly?

WHy not stick with the d750?

Nothing wrong with sticking with the d750 for price performance ratio for your needs. Do it. sell up all your sony and just shoot with the d750 and its native lenses and enjoy
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I still have A72, don't have D750 yet.

I got it because it was smaller and lighter - but it doesn't do what I want in terms of AF speed (fast moving dog, airshows etc) - not necessarily essentials but things I like to shoot.
 
A7III - Does anyone know what speed the sensor is read out for the electronic shutter usage?

http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/how-fast-is-the-sony-a9-electronic-shutter/
The A9 is apparently about 1/150th

and
"a7x cameras have scan times which vary from about 1/14 second to 1/30 second for a full frame image. "

I also read
https://petapixel.com/2018/02/26/sony-a7-iii-feature-filled-24mp-4k-full-frame-mirrorless-1999/

"The sensor “is paired with a front-end LSI that effectively doubles the readout speed of the image sensor, as well as an updated BIONZ X processing-engine that boosts processing speed by approximately 1.8 times compared to the a7 II,” Sony says."

So would it be fair to assume the maximum read out speed on the sensor is no more than 1/60th?
 
dancook said:
A7III - Does anyone know what speed the sensor is read out for the electronic shutter usage?

http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/how-fast-is-the-sony-a9-electronic-shutter/
The A9 is apparently about 1/150th

and
"a7x cameras have scan times which vary from about 1/14 second to 1/30 second for a full frame image. "

I also read
https://petapixel.com/2018/02/26/sony-a7-iii-feature-filled-24mp-4k-full-frame-mirrorless-1999/

"The sensor “is paired with a front-end LSI that effectively doubles the readout speed of the image sensor, as well as an updated BIONZ X processing-engine that boosts processing speed by approximately 1.8 times compared to the a7 II,” Sony says."

So would it be fair to assume the maximum read out speed on the sensor is no more than 1/60th?
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Only the A9 has the built in chip on the sensor for faster readout and no blackout.

Tom Green said:
Riz that wasn't aimed at you - it was aimed at @jonneymendoza

I find that you articulate yourself very well actually and seem a pretty chilled guy so it most certainly wasn't aimed at you.(y)(y)
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O im chilled dont worry!
 
magicaxeman said:
I'm sorry Alan, but that lens is not sharp in the centre wide open, nothing like sharp and have to admit I wouldn't have been happy paying nearly £600 for a lens I couldn't use wide open.

Compared with the Sony 35mm F2.8, the Sony is sharp wide open and stopped down sharper than the Voigtlander,even the 50mm f1.8 sony is sharper in the centre wide open!

I know you love Voigtlander lenses, I do too, just not all of them. I remember lauding the arrival of the 75mm f1.8 only to be completely disillusioned on finding it was soft until f4, heck even the 75mm f2.4 was sharper at f2.8!

I haven't said this to be rude, far from it, it just seemed no one was prepared to say it out right.

PS The bokeh reminds me of an acid trip I had back in "73 lol.
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It's quite sharp at f1.4, believe me, you're maybe not seeing here what I see on my screen. I have the Sony 35mm f2.8 and I think the V is sharper at f2.8, deffo sharper wider than that :D You've not being rude but unless you've processed well focussed shots and looked on your screen maybe you aren't seeing what the lens can do at f1.4. I often say that pictures might not look as good here as on my screen and maybe that's the case. All I've done is downsize and post, no fancy sharpening for web use etc.

I don't love V's as such but in the choice of compact manual primes that'll mount directly to an A7 there's limited choice and they're worth looking at, ymmv.
 
jonneymendoza said:
So what are you complaining about the lenses? just the price?

Some of the lenses are better then the canikon equivalent and as i said, you can use third party lenses from samyang and soon to be sigma for cheaper then Sony ones.

Why would any A9 users be kicking themselves? Does the A9 all of a s*** camera?

Does the IQ and its features degrade now?

Must be.

Better throw my A9 in the bin because the IQ and its features ahve degraded.

It can only do 1fps shooting now with about a 5 stop DR only. damm u sony!
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I’m catching up on the last hour of thread noise but those last few sentences did make me laugh Jonney. You’re the guy who bought an A7Riii the second it was on Pre-order, when you already had an A7Rii in your bag. You’ve then gone out and bought the A9 the second it was released because you, “had to have one”.

I get what you meant but it is a bit hypocritical [emoji6]
 
magicaxeman said:
Which one? the D850 or the A7riii perhaps read the spec sheets for both? cos theirs more than you think or do you really think Sony would give the purchaser of their entry level camera all the same goodies as the top of the range camera's? for near as dammit half the price?

PS dont confuse getting the same number of focus points as having the same AF speed etc as the A9, not gonna happen, can't happen
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D850.

I have read specs sheets.

I never assumed anything or confused about AF performance. Also same applies for D850 despite having same same AF module as flagship, its not as good as D5.

I can't see D850 giving much more than resolution. But do tell if you feel it offers something more.
 
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stevelmx5 said:
I’m catching up on the last hour of thread noise but those last few sentences did make me laugh Jonney. You’re the guy who bought an A7Riii the second it was on Pre-order, when you already had an A7Rii in your bag. You’ve then gone out and bought the A9 the second it was released because you, “had to have one”.

I get what you meant but it is a bit hypocritical [emoji6]
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I could also be accused of wanting the latest and greatest too but my camera history is short. :)
I’m looking forwards to the next A9 series, no rush to replace the A9, it’s magic.
 
Riz_Guru said:
I could also be accused of wanting the latest and greatest too but my camera history is short. :)
I’m looking forwards to the next A9 series, no rush to replace the A9, it’s magic.
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Looking forwards to the next A9 because it shows a company developing their tech or looking forwards to it so you can buy it and replace your current A9 that’s magic already?
 
magicaxeman said:
No disrespect but a D850 is in a completely different league to an A7iii, compare it to an A7riii by all means, but not an A7iii




What utter b****x, been seeing this all over the sites today... though I assume your saying it in jest
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I am, just replying to jonneys [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER];)
 
stevelmx5 said:
I’m catching up on the last hour of thread noise but those last few sentences did make me laugh Jonney. You’re the guy who bought an A7Riii the second it was on Pre-order, when you already had an A7Rii in your bag. You’ve then gone out and bought the A9 the second it was released because you, “had to have one”.

I get what you meant but it is a bit hypocritical [emoji6]
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I remember Jonney saying he shoots 20,000 images a month actually so I suppose he does need the A9 to shoot it like a machine gun. :D:runaway::woot::snaphappy::spam::wideyed:
 
stevelmx5 said:
Looking forwards to the next A9 because it shows a company developing their tech or looking forwards to it so you can buy it and replace your current A9 that’s magic already?
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The thing is, we all ask and imagine what could Sony potentially do next, they seem to always push the boundary further again surpassing expectations.
I’m sure the A9 II will turn up the magic even more.....
 
Riz_Guru said:
The thing is, we all ask and imagine what could Sony potentially do next, they seem to always push the boundary further again surpassing expectations.
I’m sure the A9 II will turn up the magic even more.....
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Sometimes. Sometimes not. It took them 4 years to put a focus joystick on the camera
 
As a wedding shooter I'm seriously considering chopping in a a7RII for an a7III. The AF joystick alone had me interested, dual card slots and high capacity battery are the icing on the cake. Can happily love without 42mp, my laptop will thank me if nothing else.
 
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