The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

decigallen said:
The things that made me go Sony rather than wait for Nikon mirrorless were:
1) Being a Nikon early adopter is never fun - especially when brand new tech is involved. Sony have had 3 attempts and a lot of years to get the A7 right.
2) In the past they've made some daft spec decisions that leave photographers like me in limbo eg. not properly replacing the D700 until the D750 came along. Or cutting corners on things that you shouldn't cut corners on (AF on D610, Buffer and shutter on D750 etc etc)
3) It'll be a couple of years before they'll have a dedicated range of lenses in place. Adapters defeat much of the point of going mirrorless, for me.
4) I can't see it coming close to the Sony on price. Pure speculation, of course, but at best I imagine they'll have a £2k body. And if they somehow manage that, Sony will be at the point that they can undercut them with the A7iii.
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Sony has had more than 3 attempts, strictly speaking the A7, The R and the S are new bodies and with each one they learn something and they are all at the same grade bodies. The A73 is pretty much like the 13th iteration.
 
decigallen said:
I'd like a 35 1.8 with the same kind of IQ and AF as the Sony FE85 1.8. From my limited play with it so far, the 85mm is a great lens. Was really hoping the next Batis would be a 35 or 32 f2.
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That would sell very well imo. What most people are waiting for in FE.
 
There's a bit on Thom Hogan's site about what Nikon may/should do...

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/the-nikon-mirrorless-wish.html

and this bit caught my eye...

"One other point of contention that I keep encountering: whether a new Nikon full frame mirrorless camera should be entry or pro. Is it a 24mp competitor to the A7m3, or is it to be a 45mp+ replacement for the still out-of-stock D850?

I’ve been consistently surprised by the ones that only want the pro side of things and are eager to replace their D850. I actually don’t get it. I’ve written and still believe that the D850 is a better all around camera than the Sony A7Rm3; I fail to see what Nikon could do to make a mirrorless D850 today that tops the DSLR D850."

I suppose the "today" bit is key. I suppose depending upon your view a D850 may be better than a Sony A7x and Nikon may not be able to make a mirrorless camera that's better than the D850 today but what about in 5 years time? Or maybe even in just 18 months time?

DSLR's are arguably just about at the limit of what's possible and have some inherent end stops that prevent further improvements whereas the more electronic mirrorless cameras are arguably better platforms to incorporate improvements into.

I think Thom is maybe being a bit short sighted here.
 
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I like the in view goodies you get with mirrorless. I suppose DSLR's could have some sort of hybrid display or overlay thingy but is that more hassle than switching to an EVF?
 
jonneymendoza said:
not for me, if they increase fps to 10fps, almost full coverage af area, smaller body then maybe
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It’s all personal, I really like the handling of the D850 body (and the D810 for that matter) all I ever seem to do with Sony (& Fuji) is add extra bulk via grips as I find them too small body only.
 
chrism_scotland said:
It’s all personal, I really like the handling of the D850 body (and the D810 for that matter) all I ever seem to do with Sony (& Fuji) is add extra bulk via grips as I find them too small body only.
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i rather i can make a camera body bigger then be stuck with a big camera.
 
BethAtTheHug said:
If only Sony would put a full frame sensor into the A6000/A6500 body.
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This should be pretty easy really as the A7 is the size of an APS-C or MFT RF style camera if you could saw the EVF hump off. I like having a VF rather than just having the back screen though so that will always increase the body size a bit but yes, maybe an interchangeable lens RF style camera might be a nice idea :D but people will complain about the size and not being able to press the buttons with their sausage fingers :D :D
 
eh?! The A6000 series all have EVFs as well as the rear LCD. No need to increase body size. But yeah, I get the sausage fingers complaint that they are too small. My hands are small, A6x000 is perfect size, any bigger is too big. Plus it wont go in a rucksack side pocket.
 
twist said:
If only it was a new 35 1.4
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Because you haven't got enough options now? :P

decigallen said:
I'd like a 35 1.8 with the same kind of IQ and AF as the Sony FE85 1.8. From my limited play with it so far, the 85mm is a great lens. Was really hoping the next Batis would be a 35 or 32 f2.
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I'd prefer a 40mm over 35mm but a f/1.8 over f2 would be nice in either case. Yes 1/3rd stop does make some difference to the bokeh
 
jonneymendoza said:
i rather i can make a camera body bigger then be stuck with a big camera.
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Yeah, this is exactly my sentiment. The A7iii fits perfectly in my tiny Trump hands, but if I was built like a WWE wrestler, or needed more weight to balance a lens I could just stick a battery grip on it.
 
BethAtTheHug said:
eh?! The A6000 series all have EVFs as well as the rear LCD. No need to increase body size. But yeah, I get the sausage fingers complaint that they are too small. My hands are small, A6x000 is perfect size, any bigger is too big. Plus it wont go in a rucksack side pocket.
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Yup they have an evf but with the bigger chip I assume they'll need a slightly bigger body if only to fit the chip in and dissipate the heat. Dunno if they could maintain A6000 size with a FF chip and maintain performance, the A6000 is already a bit smaller than the MFT RF style cameras some of which like my GX9 and GX80 have a (frankly) crap EVF which may be even more out of place on a FF body, IMO.
 
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Really thought the Sony would be much bigger than the XT2 but there isn't much in it. Weight is a different issue, but both feel well balanced with their respective lenses on.
 
decigallen said:
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Really thought the Sony would be much bigger than the XT2 but there isn't much in it. Weight is a different issue, but both feel well balanced with their respective lenses on.
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actually you should be comparing XT2+56mm vs. A7/R+85mm/1.8 for apples vs. apples ;)
 
decigallen said:
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Really thought the Sony would be much bigger than the XT2 but there isn't much in it. Weight is a different issue, but both feel well balanced with their respective lenses on.
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And that's an f3 lens in terms of dof as per nandbytes.
 
@twist & anyone else who cares/remembers the sony's "open standard" discussion...

so with a bit of digging here's what I understand. Historically 3rd party lens manufacturers had to work out for themselves how a mount worked in terms of both mechanics and software/firmware (comms protocols etc). This lead (and still even today leads to) some minor AF issues we see with 3rd party lenses. So what Sony are saying now is "you don't need to guess anymore we'll tell you how it works.* "
* Sony reserves the right control who sees this information, to what extent (i.e. just mechanics or mechanics+protocols etc) and at what cost.

So someone like zeiss or tamron who are already in bed with Sony probably get to all the information and probably so get some amount of support from Sony's own engineers. Someone like sigma or samyang probably made a one-off money deal for some documents that contain the specs i.e. IP licence.
Sony is not the only one with "open mount", I believe m43 is open to some extent (I don't know what that extent is). Kinda explains why sigma released their new APS-C lenses for e-mount and m43 but not fuji despite fuji having the same-ish flange.

As for Prof Hank and his request to Sony, any business that sells IP generally don't like giving it away to academia and if they do they do so with a LOT of restrictions and clauses because otherwise its easy to get compromised. So if he actually had a company already instead of "possible future company" he'd stand a better chance of getting the specs.
 
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I think you're missing what my point was: Basically that there's not that much weight/size saving with a XT2 with a tiny APS-C F2 lens over the Sony A7iii with a 1.8 Prime on it. At least not as much as I might've expected given that the Fuji setup is our 'compact' setup. The 50mm is the closest I had to compare, hence no 'apples with apples' comparison.
 
twist said:
Get rid of that canon and Fuji and you can get some nice Fe gear.
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I already have some nice FE gear :p

The Fuji is not worth much and the Canon I still need for night shots.

I mean the Fuji is worth like £1500 max, 1 lens worth. I rather keep it tbh.
 
Years ago I took this picture...

5D with Sigma 50mm f1.4, A7 with Minolta Rokkor 50mm f1.4 and Panny G1 with Voigtlander 25mm f0.95.

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The Panny G1 looks bigger than the A7 in that picture but in reality there was nothing in it. With a smaller lens they fit in the same small bag, but the 5D wouldn't.

I remember the first time I took the G1 out instead of the 5D, it was so light I honestly had to keep checking the bag to make sure it was still in there :D The G1 was probably the best handling camera I've ever held, the G7 I had later wasn't and the grip was so uncomfortable I hated it every time I picked it up.
 
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You are comparing AF lenses with MF lenses, so that's not the same….I'll get a photo of them tomorrow but a Canon 35 with Sony 35, both 1.4….so identical in everything, size difference is not that much.
 
Raymond Lin said:
You are comparing AF lenses with MF lenses, so that's not the same….I'll get a photo of them tomorrow but a Canon 35 with Sony 35, both 1.4….so identical in everything, size difference is not that much.
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The Minolta 50mm f1.4 + the Novoflex adapter are about the same size as the Sony 55mm f1.8.

I don't have an AF 50mm f1.4 so as you say, bite me :D
 
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twist said:
So Im sure people are interested in the new FE art AF performance... I found it to be excellent with the 50mm 1.4.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qv4aUjgQYE


Someone asked me about AF noise and performance in comparison to MC11, this is exactly how it works on mine, theres the jitter and noise I spoke about with the MC11 vs clean sweeps via native, its a big improvement...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmD4QGVfklI
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The 85 is absolutely outstanding. Not one single miss in 500+ shots wide open on saturday
 
This may sound abit silly but with a big lens like the 85, the af motor has to work harder to shift all the glass, would this lead to less battery life ?
 
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twist said:
So Im sure people are interested in the new FE art AF performance... I found it to be excellent with the 50mm 1.4.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qv4aUjgQYE


Someone asked me about AF noise and performance in comparison to MC11, this is exactly how it works on mine, theres the jitter and noise I spoke about with the MC11 vs clean sweeps via native, its a big improvement...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmD4QGVfklI
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I just watched that video and wow thats amazing!!!!
 
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