The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!
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From what Ive seen they have never had stock so I wouldn't rely on their price being honoured or them getting stock. Just getting clicks from a high demand product they cant supply.
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Very easily, it might even be marginally better for what I do most of the time.
Probably nothing now I'm invested in Sony's lenses, it's not like they can't make a better camera but I don't believe they'll make a better one in the same class (i.e. they can and will beat the A73 but it'll probably be priced like a A7R3 etc).
A lot of people could reasonably say there's no point changing as a mirrorless won't make much difference to how they work (they are so similar in practice) but there's plenty of room for technical improvement so I expect to see mirrorless improving in a shorter amount of time than DSLR. I wouldn't expect to see companies heavily investing in improving their mid-high end DSLR technology at this point.
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I can't see Canon or Nikon surpassing Sony in a combination of tech and speed of update and new model introduction. I think it may take a watershed change to do that. They could match the A7III but how much later to market will they be? They'll have to try hard and get away from the minor update and watering down of features mentality that seems to pervade at the moment. Changing the attitude of the management and the way the company tends to do things may actually be harder than exceeding Sony's tech. As in all things, time will tell.
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They will definitely honor it, it's Amazon.
They will also get stock, they have had stock of most other Sony bodies and are clearly expecting stock. This is Amazon were talking about not some midget retailer.
Na mate, not always, Ive had a lot of orders cancelled or magically disappear en route then they wouldn't send the same item out at the price I paid originally.
Having stock of the other Sonys means jack s*** at the moment, check CPB, nobody has stock of the A7iii. The demand is still huge.
They had a release date of launch which I posted on this thread (and it kept changing), still no expected date but the 'UK camera retailers' have had stock come and go. Obviously they will get stock eventually I just wouldn't bank on it being anytime soon.
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To be fair though the main reason Canon and Nikon are only doing minor updates to their DSLR’s is because there is only minor gains to be hand with current tech, minor sensor upgrades, etc - Sony were doing exactly the same thing with the A77 / A77ii before.
Canon/Nikon will have no choice but to make bigger steps or they’ll be dead, I’d also expect a larger range of mirrorless from those two, with a cheaper low end body (similar level to a 6D/D610), mid-range and then the higher end stuff (D810/D5 level, etc) but its going to take time.
Pricing I don’t see why both Nikon/Canon won’t be able to compete, they have a far larger existing installed user base to sell them to.
Where they will struggle is lenses, its a tricky one, if they don't stay with the current mounts they will p*** off a lot of people.
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Lens query folks...
Obviously I received the Tamron 28-75 on Friday and having put its through its paces I’m broadly happy although its hard to be certain until the Firmware update is out.
My intention was to pickup a wide angle (21 Loxia or 16-35) and a longer lens (85mm f1.8 / 70-200) to book end the Tamron.
I however had a 24-105 f4 arrive yesterday (Ordered Thursday when my Tamron didn’t turn up) - I was about to just send it back but I wondered for those of you using it, how is it beyond 75mm? I’m no bokeh hound or portrait photographer so in the most part the intention of the 85mm was just for a longer lens for my landscape/cityscape stuff but would the 24-105 stopped down give me similar results?.... would also have the benefit of giving me 24mm over the Tamron.....
Obviously I received the Tamron 28-75 on Friday and having put its through its paces I’m broadly happy although its hard to be certain until the Firmware update is out.
My intention was to pickup a wide angle (21 Loxia or 16-35) and a longer lens (85mm f1.8 / 70-200) to book end the Tamron.
I however had a 24-105 f4 arrive yesterday (Ordered Thursday when my Tamron didn’t turn up) - I was about to just send it back but I wondered for those of you using it, how is it beyond 75mm? I’m no bokeh hound or portrait photographer so in the most part the intention of the 85mm was just for a longer lens for my landscape/cityscape stuff but would the 24-105 stopped down give me similar results?.... would also have the benefit of giving me 24mm over the Tamron.....
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Totally agree with you, I’d expect Canon will at very least be able to offer a very good adaptor (if Metabones and Sigma can do it for FE mount then surely), but Nikon always seem behind...
Adapter would be a solution but if it doesn't perform as well as their EF lenses on their DSLR folks will still be angry, all that investment for lower performance and no upgrade path for their current mount and possibly no new lenses to move over to the new mount.
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No not really. Sony last DSLR(sort of a hybrid) was basically a D850
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How did Canon shooters managed to jump on to the EF mount from the F mount i believe it was? I dont think there was an adapter for the previous mount ?
also i think nikon will price there mirrorless well whilst canon will do a Canon and cripple there camera.
If canon was to bring out a a7mk3 carbo copy, it would canabalise there while dslr ff lineup!
They wont pack a class leading AF on a entry level ff body canabalising a potential mirrorless 1dx mk3? no chance
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On the minor update thing... yes there are limits to what can be done with a camera based on flappy mirrors but the culture is IMO still visible and when you look at the things that could be done which aren't for reasons of product differentiation doubly so. That's something that's surprising about the A7III in particular. In isolation I'm a little surprised that Sony released it but not in the context of Canon and Nikon possibly entering the market soon with more serious efforts than they've made to date.
Looking at the recent products from Sony, Canon and Nikon and the speed of the process I think of the three I'd see Sony as the most likely to introduce a camera that seems to move things on and compete directly with higher priced offerings from the same company. I'm surprised that Sony did this to the extent they have but I understand it considering that Canikon may be about to enter the market. I'd have been absolutely gobsmacked if Canon had done it.
EF was their first major AF mount, there were pretty much no AF lenses in FD. So it was more like a step from MF to AF. F mount is Nikon.
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O and 4k with C-Log on a 2k ff mirrorless canon? no chance....
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AFAIK you can't use Canon FD lenses on an EOS camera with the usual simple empty tube spacer type adapter to restore the registration distance. You have to use an adapter with a corrective lens in it which could / probably will compromise optical performance. So most people don't bother.
Yeah, Nikon will probably continue with the same business model and buy in tech.
Thats the risk for Canon and their approach to their APSC mirrorless indicates they won't cannibalise sales like Sony were willing to do with the A73. They made a statement that they crippled their new mirrorless 4k on purpose.
NB Sony was way down when it came to existing user base (A mount) so the switch to a new mount was a good thing for them and possibly the only way they were ever going to make anything of their Imaging side, they were never going to be at the top in terms of DSLR tech or sales while using the same tech as Canikon.
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Yea Nikon do business Very similar to Sony
It would be interesting to see Nikon get into bed with Samsung, sensor, memory and display tech.
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I forgot about the A99ii - Sorry!
It works both way’s though - we had a fair gap between the A7rii, A7ii and their replacements (and even longer now until the A7siii) but for a long time people were getting annoyed with the speed at which Sony were releasing bodies, adding things that really should have been there initially.
I hope that the new Sony product lifecycle with the gaps between the “Gen 2 and Gen 3” bodies is the new reality.
It is, Sony said they were going extend the lifecycle of their products.
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I'd imagine they'd like to extent lifecycles as new products cost money but they may well have to spend more and move fast to introduce new models depending on what Canon and Nikon do. I wouldn't be too surprised to see one of these companies go pop if the pressure is intense. I'd be amazed if Canon went pop but I could see Nikon getting into (even more) trouble.
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Batis 40mm f2 coming?
https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-zeiss-next-batis-lens-will-be-a-40mm-f-2-0-cf-fe/
https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-zeiss-next-batis-lens-will-be-a-40mm-f-2-0-cf-fe/
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None of them are about to go “pop” regardless of what happens, although it wouldn’t be a massive surprise to see Nikon end up merging with someone, none of the 3 have endless pits of money to throw away.
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Would u guys switch back to canikon though ?
For me i would only consider it if it had a few killer features that sony dont but i think they wont and at best will just be like what we currently use now and so is pointless switching again.
Those who are already in Sony camp will find it difficult to switch back to canikon if they only delivery the same as sony
For me i would only consider it if it had a few killer features that sony dont but i think they wont and at best will just be like what we currently use now and so is pointless switching again.
Those who are already in Sony camp will find it difficult to switch back to canikon if they only delivery the same as sony
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Well there you go then. That's exactly what I was implying.
No, these companies don't have endless money but some of them have a management culture that probably isn't exactly helping and others have wider markets to use the technology which makes pouring vast amounts of money into the tech more attractive. For example I doubt we'll see Nikon rivaling Sony in sales in the car or smartphone markets.
Having worked with Japanese companies on products and having experience of the rather negative effects their culture and way of doing things can have I can for sure imagine what's going on at Canon and Nikon. I've stopped doing all that now but you probably wouldn't believe what goes on in some Japanese and indeed wider Asian companies. Some of the decisions and attitudes are simply staggeringly shocking. Arrogance, incompetence, nepotism, the attitude to the workforce, the attitude to compliance, the whole saving face thing etc... add fierce competition and new technology to that lot and I wouldn't be surprised if there were exciting times at some of these companies.
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But I don't think the stock checkers will be accurate due to pre orders. I ordered from Wilkinson Cameras for instance about 2 weeks after the A7iii was released. It said out of stock but as they are constantly getting stock in I had my camera within 3 days of ordering. It has still said out of stock but they are obviously getting stock in.
Amazon might not get as much stock as the camera retailers however I don't think anywhere will state it's in stock until they have enough stock that means it will sit on shelves for several days. Only people who have bought from Amazon and had it delivered (and probably those that didn't pre order in advance) can probably give an estimate of how long it might take to be delivered (or possibly by asking Amazon themselves).
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Yes, in a heartbeat if I thought that there was a Canikon CSC that suited me better. I don't care who makes what.
I'd love to buy British to keep people employed here and paying taxes to the NHS etc but as there are no buy British options I can't see why I should care if the kit is made by Nikon in Thailand or Canon in Cambodia or wherever they're made.
What could get me to change is if Nikon (for example) brought out a really nice CSC with a range of nicely made compact primes like their old pre ai range or the earlier Rokkors which would mount directly to the camera without an adapter. In Sony land the Loxia's don't grab my interest but the Voigtlanders are lovely though.
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I much prefer 40mm to 35mm. so it works well for me.
This weeks rumours have been good. Samyang 24mm and Zeiss 40mm both of which I am very much interested in buying. But I'll wait till I can pick one up on the used market.
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When I placed my order with Wilkinson (1 month before launch) they told me that Sony was allocating stock first to companies that paid for the stock upfront, which is what Wilkinson did by taking full payment upon order from customers. My friend also ordered from them last week and the site showed OOS when they just had a handful in, so I don’t think they have a live stock system. All the camera retailers say the same thing, stock is moving in slowly and out fast.
I haven’t seen stock of the A7iii on Amazon or CPB amazon once but I have seen it trickle in and out of the Indies, only mention Ive seen of amazon stock is how people were getting annoyed because amazon kept changing the dates and their early preorders weren’t being fulfilled.
You can call the Indies and can find out if they are expecting stock within coming days. I watched the Amazon dates keep slipping from launch and then show no dates at all, doesn't inspire me.
Its a decent deal IF they honour the price and IF/WHEN they get stock but their were better deals to be had.
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I much prefer 40mm to 35mm. so it works well for me.
This weeks rumours have been good. Samyang 24mm and Zeiss 40mm both of which I am very much interested in buying. But I'll wait till I can pick one up on the used market.
I'm not sure what I'll do. At the moment I'm getting very little free time and I can't see that improving any time soon and in fact I can see myself getting less free time as the needs of others increases so there's really not a lot of point spending a lot on kit I don't get a lot of chance to use. On the other hand when I do get free time enjoying it is pretty important. 19th May was the last time I had a few hours out with cover back home so I didn't need to worry or rush back.
rumour site says a new batis 40mm f2 with 67mm filter thread matching my other lenses
looks like my FE35/1.4 will be replaced
If only it was a new 35 1.4
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What is it with Zeiss releasing slightly non traditional focal lengths
25mm, 55mm and now 40mm.
Although between a 35/2.8 or a 40/2.0 I’d go for the 2.0 all day long.
25mm, 55mm and now 40mm.
Although between a 35/2.8 or a 40/2.0 I’d go for the 2.0 all day long.
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I think some of them are traditional to Zeiss.
Looking at 35/40, 35mm is still sort of wide angle and if you want to you can still play with wide angle perspectives whereas with 40mm the scope is maybe less so. 35mm is maybe better for playing with perspective and getting it all in sort of pictures but 40mm is maybe a bit closer to getting away from that and towards what some may see as a more natural perspective and a more focused on a thing type record, reportage sort of use. If you know what I mean.
Other considerations could be size and weight and optical performance, for example my Voigtlander 35 and 40mm lenses are quite different with the 35mm being smaller and lighter but at the cost of relatively poor corners and questionable bokeh, the 40mm is larger, heavier and a much more modern lens in optical performance and bokeh look.
Looking at 35/40, 35mm is still sort of wide angle and if you want to you can still play with wide angle perspectives whereas with 40mm the scope is maybe less so. 35mm is maybe better for playing with perspective and getting it all in sort of pictures but 40mm is maybe a bit closer to getting away from that and towards what some may see as a more natural perspective and a more focused on a thing type record, reportage sort of use. If you know what I mean.
Other considerations could be size and weight and optical performance, for example my Voigtlander 35 and 40mm lenses are quite different with the 35mm being smaller and lighter but at the cost of relatively poor corners and questionable bokeh, the 40mm is larger, heavier and a much more modern lens in optical performance and bokeh look.
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I'd like a 35 1.8 with the same kind of IQ and AF as the Sony FE85 1.8. From my limited play with it so far, the 85mm is a great lens. Was really hoping the next Batis would be a 35 or 32 f2.
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The things that made me go Sony rather than wait for Nikon mirrorless were:
1) Being a Nikon early adopter is never fun - especially when brand new tech is involved. Sony have had 3 attempts and a lot of years to get the A7 right.
2) In the past they've made some daft spec decisions that leave photographers like me in limbo eg. not properly replacing the D700 until the D750 came along. Or cutting corners on things that you shouldn't cut corners on (AF on D610, Buffer and shutter on D750 etc etc)
3) It'll be a couple of years before they'll have a dedicated range of lenses in place. Adapters defeat much of the point of going mirrorless, for me.
4) I can't see it coming close to the Sony on price. Pure speculation, of course, but at best I imagine they'll have a £2k body. And if they somehow manage that, Sony will be at the point that they can undercut them with the A7iii.
1) Being a Nikon early adopter is never fun - especially when brand new tech is involved. Sony have had 3 attempts and a lot of years to get the A7 right.
2) In the past they've made some daft spec decisions that leave photographers like me in limbo eg. not properly replacing the D700 until the D750 came along. Or cutting corners on things that you shouldn't cut corners on (AF on D610, Buffer and shutter on D750 etc etc)
3) It'll be a couple of years before they'll have a dedicated range of lenses in place. Adapters defeat much of the point of going mirrorless, for me.
4) I can't see it coming close to the Sony on price. Pure speculation, of course, but at best I imagine they'll have a £2k body. And if they somehow manage that, Sony will be at the point that they can undercut them with the A7iii.