The 2014 Season F1 Thread

Matt said:
its a shame if button doesnt have a drive.
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I don't think Jenson is really interested any more since Papa Smurf passed.. :(
 
minnnt said:
What a sad way to end an awesome race. Fingers crossed for Jules Bianchi.
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Indeed... Not looking good though unfortunately..
 
Sky F1 have cancelled all the replays of the race!...which is not a good sign.
 
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Jimmy_Lemon said:
Sky F1 have cancelled all the replays of the race!...which is not a good sign.
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That seems a slightly strange choice to me. Nothing on the live coverage showed the accident & the BBC re-run has just started.
 
H2O said:
That seems a slightly strange choice to me. Nothing on the live coverage showed the accident & the BBC re-run has just started.
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Yeah does seem slightly odd. I was assuming some official announcement of sad news would follow shortly afterwards, with Sky having known something in advance. But nothing yet....so who knows.
 
im pretty sure there would be footage of the crash and its obvious why its not been shown. the photos posted online seem to show the rear wing and most of the engine cover damaged and ripped off, pretty bad stuff. Its not looking to good for him at the moment.
 
Matt said:
im pretty sure there would be footage of the crash and its obvious why its not been shown. the photos posted online seem to show the rear wing and most of the engine cover damaged and ripped off, pretty bad stuff. Its not looking to good for him at the moment.
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There probably is somewhere but the live coverage only showed the first car that went off. The injury was caused one lap later when the second car seems to have slid off into the mobile crane. The TV coverage cut back to the crash later but I didn't see the second car so it may have been the other side of the crane & first car.(?)

Hopefully everything will go at least as well as it did for Massa after his head injury.
 
the car hit the rear counterbalance of the crane, so not visible on the camera angle that they kept cutting to.
 
You could just see the back of his car behind, & left, of the lifter. Also, a lot of frantic marshals at the cockpit, behind the barrier.

That make me think that the car passed completely under, & beyond, the counterbalance. Not good at all.
 
It's one of those incidents where the marshalls were just doing their job in trying to remove Sutil's car, no one could imagine what might happen a lap later.
Hope it's not as bad as feared and he pulls through.
 
Out of surgery and breathing on his own. Fingers crossed.
 
Good to hear. Hoping for a full recovery for him.
 
Shocking similarity of Maria de Villota for marrussia. Here's hoping he recovers quickly
 
nilagin said:
Out of surgery and breathing on his own. Fingers crossed.
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hmmm, conflicting reports on the breathing on his own bit, though I hope the rumours are true but after such major surgery you would expect him to be getting some medical intervention for breathing etc anyway.




Oh and as an aside, ex driver Andrea De Cesaris lost his life today in a motorbike accident according to some F1 journalists on Twitter. :(
 
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It looks like the collective gambles on the race didnt pay off for bianche
http://www.inautonews.com/fia-admits-japan-gp-could-be-cancelled
and Coulthards words still ring clear "they usually stop the race after an accident in these conditions "
Very unlucky to spin and follow a previous accident with such a bad result

Looking at the race Lewis was in a class of his own, Nico, understeer or not, just wasnt anywhere as good today
Vettal came on form, both the red bulls were the best of the rest, pulling moves that should have seen them mixing it with the astro turf and barriers
Jenson was driving brilliantly but I think the decision has been made which is kinda sad
I wish someone would tell Ben edwards that not every thing is mega great wonderful it is a releif to hear coulthard chip in to get a rest
 
fuzzyedges said:
and Coulthards words still ring clear "they usually stop the race after an accident in these conditions "
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In hindsight they probably should have brought out the safety car to clear the first car but I think it's unfair to try and place blame. All the cars were running on inters with various levels of wear and other than those 2 cars no one else seemed to be struggling massively to stay on track. When the safety car was finally called the guys who pitted stayed on inters rather than switching to full wets so they can't have been too concerned about standing water.

It was just a tragic accident.
 
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H2O said:
In hindsight they probably should have brought out the safety car to clear the first car but I think it's unfair to try and place blame. All the cars were running on inters with various levels of wear and other than those 2 cars no one else seemed to be struggling massively to stay on track. When the safety car was finally called the guys who pitted stayed on inters rather than switching to full wets so they can't have been too concerned about standing water.

It was just a tragic accident.
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The 2 accidents were only a lap or so apart, even they had deployed the SC, it probably wouldn't have caught all the cars up before the Bianchi crash.
 
Byker28i said:
Shocking similarity of Maria de Villota for marrussia. Here's hoping he recovers quickly
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I thought the same. I saw her on TV many, many times. What a lovely and inspirational woman she was. Was very said when she died.
 
Dave1 said:
The 2 accidents were only a lap or so apart, even they had deployed the SC, it probably wouldn't have caught all the cars up before the Bianchi crash.
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Maybe, but they don't need to catch all the cars. Once the decision is made the drives are notified and they have to slow down to a set lap delta.
 
H2O said:
Maybe, but they don't need to catch all the cars. Once the decision is made the drives are notified and they have to slow down to a set lap delta.
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There would already have been double yellows approaching the scene, he should have already slowed right down, I think it was a total freak incident that could still have happened if the SC had deployed.
 
Dave1 said:
There would already have been double yellows approaching the scene, he should have already slowed right down, I think it was a total freak incident that could still have happened if the SC had deployed.
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Pretty much agree with this, though I know several of the drivers wanted the race stoped several laps before even Sutil went off, never mind Bianchi following him. FWIW it reminded me more of Brazil several years ago when an absolute downpour resulted in 3 or 4 cars all aquaplaning off at one of the downhill bends. Can't remember exactly who was involved, certainly Montoya iirc, but it looked like a bloody expensive scrapyard just afterwards. Luckily I don't think anyone suffered more than a few bruises despite there being a crane involved that was starting to remove the first car, nothing actually hit it.
 
Dave1 said:
There would already have been double yellows approaching the scene, he should have already slowed right down, I think it was a total freak incident that could still have happened if the SC had deployed.
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I'm not disagreeing with that last bit. & I agree he should/ may well have slowed but I don't think they tend to slow as much for waved yellows as for a safety car. Also, do they get an in car notification for yellows? I would've thought the team would radio given the conditions as seeing flags/ flashing lights might've been difficult but I don't know.

I did read that Massa though the race should've been stopped earlier due to standing water but I find that odd as he wasn't on full wets either was he? What's the point of having full wet tyres if they're going to stop races before they're needed?
 
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H2O said:
but I think it's unfair to try and place blame.

It was just a tragic accident.
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I wasnt apportioning blame I was pointing out the gambles made didnt work out
Gamble on the start time (weather reports enough to worry the FIA) were taken by the organisers that the weather wouldnt be that bad so no need to bring it forward
Gamble by Charlie on the second lot of rain before the crash was it would get better and it was near the end of the race
Gamble by charlie about the sauber crash was that lighting woudnt strike twice (remember kimis crash earlier in the season when he bent the barriers and louder said the SC should not have been deployed because no one would crash in the same place twice)
All decisions made with the facts at hand, all sound decisions but all gambled on a positive outcome in the interest of the race
The dice didnt roll that way today
 
H2O said:
Also, do they get an in car notification for yellows?
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Yes by a gps marshelling system which lights up the relevant flag colour on a display in the cockpit as the car enters the relevant sector
The Regs say
8.9 Track signal information display :
All cars must be fitted with red, blue and yellow cockpit lights the purpose of which are to give drivers information concerning track signals or conditions. The lights must be LEDs each with a minimum diameter of 5mm and fitted directly in the driver’s normal line of sight.
Details of the light control system, which must be fitted to every car, may be found in the Appendix to the Technical Regulations
 
H2O said:
Sorry. I didn't specifically mean you, just in general. Poor wording on my part.
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No offence taken
A true accident is when nothing could have prevented it
 
Dave1 said:
There would already have been double yellows approaching the scene, he should have already slowed right down, I think it was a total freak incident that could still have happened if the SC had deployed.
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Double yellows only differ from a waved yellow by the fact the words added are be prepared to stop In other words its worse than a stranded car
They only have to proove they have lifted in the yellow flag sector to comply
Under SC they have a set delta time and a set distance range from the car in front plus they cant go too slow and a whole host of other things which means they go slow in F1 terms
Section 40 if you are still interested
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/1-2014 SPORTING REGULATIONS 2014-02-28.pdf
 
Safety car being out wouldn't have made a difference. The cars were 5 laps from the end, worn tyres, heavy rain and rivers. Let's remember Ericsson spun off in the first lap behind a slow safety car, with full wets.
 
Don't read too much into the fact that he's in the ICU to recover - that's SOP for brain surgery. I spent 2 days in the ICU a couple of years ago despite being conscious and responsive.

As before, wishing him a full recovery.
 
I suspect it will be a few days before there will be any news. Hope he makes a full recovery. It was odd watching it last night knowing that there would be a major accident but i'd already picked up on a few grumbles regarding the accident not being shown so wasn't actually expecting to see it. People seemed to feel it was being sensored but I felt that the presenters genuinely didn't know it had happened.
 
I'm glad it wasn't captured on TV, don't want to see it thanks. Bad enough the guy has a serious head injury.
 
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Julie1979 said:
People seemed to feel it was being sensored but I felt that the presenters genuinely didn't know it had happened.
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I had that impression watching it live as well. I got the impression they thought (as I did) the medical car was for Sutil
 
Julie1979 said:
I suspect it will be a few days before there will be any news. Hope he makes a full recovery. It was odd watching it last night knowing that there would be a major accident but i'd already picked up on a few grumbles regarding the accident not being shown so wasn't actually expecting to see it. People seemed to feel it was being sensored but I felt that the presenters genuinely didn't know it had happened.
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Then those people are very stupid, the cameras simply didn't pick it up live and even if it was caught and recorded, they were never going to show it in the reruns, plus as you say, the presenters on both Sky and bbc [Sky guys much quicker than bbc guys on it though] took a little while to cotton on to what had happened so they would have had to add in extra voice overs in order to show it too. There was also the possibility at that point [and as sad as is sounds, still is a possibility though we all hope not] that it was fatal and would have been in very poor taste to show it.
 
If i'd watched it live i'd have assumed Sutil or a marshall. You couldn't really see Bianchi's car.

Best wishes to him anyway.
 
Julie1979 said:
If i'd watched it live i'd have assumed Sutil or a marshall. You couldn't really see Bianchi's car.

Best wishes to him anyway.
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oddly, when you watched the replays, you could see Bianchis car, but only because you already knew it was there, you could just make it out between the back of the crane and the barrier, but like you say, live no one noticed it.
 
You could hear Coulthard talking to someone off-mic while all the drivers were getting out of their cars in the pit lane. He seemed to be getting the news, but they did say anything about it for a good 5 or so minutes afterwards, I am guessing waiting for confirmation.
 
I saw the race live on Sky and then saw some of the afternoon's replay on the BBC because Yv had been out working in the morning. FWIW the Sky team were infinitely quicker on the uptake, realising that a second car had become involved in the carambolage within a lap or so [Mark Hughes behind the scenes?] whereas the BBC boys didn't seem to pick up on what was happening for another ten minutes.

Equally @Jimmy_Lemon , I suspect Sky didn't broadcast race repeats all afternoon because Martin Brundle had been bemoaning breakdown trucks and the risk of going underneath one while broadcasting live and I suspect Sky wanted to avoid any possible legal repercussions. Having said that, the accident took place right in the crossover middle of Suzuka where there's no room for anything other than a mobile crane and the alternative of not removing a crashed car from there - the "Clay Regazzoni option" - is infinitely worse.
 
Yv said:
The cameras simply didn't pick it up live
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Someone did, there is footage of the actual impact online now. It isn't graphic, but does show the actual impact (and watching it, it's no wonder he is in ICU).

Video of Bianchi accident (don't watch if you don't want to see the actual collision with the JCB).

https://vine.co/v/OK6T67FZ7WW
 
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