The 2012 Season F1 Thread

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Great finish for Di Resta. Shame about Hamilton. I really hope he stays at Mclaren.
 
matty said:
i cant see that merc can give hamilton anything other than more cash.
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Celbrity or racer might be hard for him to decide
Money or more money might be his managers persusion

Alonso there again, that guys luck is running hand in hand with his skill
But red bull might do it now with the help of the maclarens
Those wear out tyres have certainly made the season way beyond predictable
Or in shuis case stoppable I bet he wishes he could race on proper rubber I wonder which way the retire not retire is swinging now
 
Schuie and Merck investigating possible brake failure... More like braked too late tbh. I would miss Schumacher as I have huge admiration for him coming back to the sport as he had nothing to prove. He's been .the measure of Rosberg as well this year, pushing him on.
 
Schuie seemed to accelerate then brake fulll on, I cant believe a guy of his experiance could think there was a way through in that situation
If it is a brake problem it has to be of a non progressive type because they were all or nothing slammed on
I wonder if the message to cool his car had a bearing on it a few laps earlier and his radio message after the event was out of step for him "What happenened there" is not a normal schuie. Silence or somthing broke I would have thought is more him
He is a hard driver but not stupid
 
Nothing for Vittel then with his accelerate then brake hard when the safety car went in? Button was very lucky there.
 
The "What happened there?" didn't sound like Schumacher, more like his engineer.

Although he blamed the car in post race interviews he admitted the truth to the stewards, namely he got it wrong.
 
Stratman said:
The "What happened there?" didn't sound like Schumacher, more like his engineer.

Although he blamed the car in post race interviews he admitted the truth to the stewards, namely he got it wrong.
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I thought it sounded like an angry Ross Braun.
 
you could be right for some reason I thought it was Schui I didnt hear anger just incredability as to what had happenend
It was obviously Schui's responsability for the crash but he still maintains the car didnt de-accelerate, which I suppose could be the fault of the artifical tyres but its hard to believe
 
Yep Hamilton's gone and Perez in.

Schumey will be looking for a seat now.
 
"Oh Lord,won't you sign me to Mercedes Benz? If I can't win races, I must make amends!"
 
Supported McLaren and Lewis for years, McLaren going back to the 90's and have to say its disappointing Lewis leaving, from the outside its clearly money related, no loyalty to a team who funded him since he was 11

Good replacement in Perez however paired with JB should make 2013 a good one at McLaren

Can't see Lewis doing much in a Mercedes though no matter how good he is
 
whitey said:
Supported McLaren and Lewis for years, McLaren going back to the 90's and have to say its disappointing Lewis leaving, from the outside its clearly money related, no loyalty to a team who funded him since he was 11

Good replacement in Perez however paired with JB should make 2013 a good one at McLaren

Can't see Lewis doing much in a Mercedes though no matter how good he is
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I have to agree.

Mercedes have seemingly had the same issue for a few seasons (excessive rear tyre wear) and his driving style won't help that. unless they find a "Fix" I can't see him competing at the front.

I'd love to have seen Di Resta at mclaren, but Perez is an impressive young driver too.
 
hmmm, interesting and I don't think really a surprise to anyone, certainly not the boys at Woking, despite all the 'there is no Plan B' comments. Drivers move around, even those that had long term relationships with teams, so I doubt McLaren will lose too many nights sleep over Lewis leaving, they will have already been planning for several months at a guess, for next year with a new driver in the team should their offers to lewis not have been successful. yes, there will be some emotional attachment, but they are the consumate professionals and I don't believe for a minute that they haven't considered all the options and possibilities.
Brawn is pointing to changes and new staff starting to make a difference next season, but then, they always say that. I am not totally sure I see Hamilton as the ultimate car developer, more a take it by the scruff of the neck and drive the arse off it whatever faults it has - but then, you would assume Schumacher IS the ultimate car developer and yet, in neither his nor Rosbergs hands has the Mercedes managed too much to shout about - so maybe Lewis can bring some new impetus there. :shrug:

Anyway, let the merry go round begin.... ;)
 
So Eddie was right again
Lewis says he is looking at 2014 new chassis new regs mentions nothing of spotlights and celebrity trails, could well be an X factor judge
Sauber has offered schui a drive will he wont he
Perez is fast but is montynumpty correct and he needs experiance??
Just how much did Jenson mess with Hammys head in a very subtle way becoming macs number one son
It appears the germans are getting ready to indite Bernie I wonder if that will impact on mercs principals and F1??
 
Well although disappointing that Lewis had left Macca as I liked the all English line up, I think in 2014 it will be a good move for him.
Next year i'm guessing the Macca will be untouchable as the reg's aren't changing that much for next year and they way their car in now developing I think they will be in with a good shout of the title.
Next year will just be a learning year for Lewis, building up for the 2014 reg changes and then I would expect they he will have a good chance!!
So although it's a shame to see him go I think ultimately its may be a good move for him.
 
If it feels good for him good luck to him
The worry is how committed are mercedes above brawn and norbert and the possable german bribe case
History says big manufactures do better with supplying engines (ferrari excepted always) than running teams but if they stick a shedful of euros in the pot who knows
Next year, no matter how good, will always be overshadowed by the V6,s of 2014 so whos going to overspend on redundant cars?
 
fuzzyedges said:
So Eddie was right again
Lewis says he is looking at 2014 new chassis new regs mentions nothing of spotlights and celebrity trails, could well be an X factor judge
Sauber has offered schui a drive will he wont he
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corrected that first one for you, Jordan is a born fibber, ask vodafone

where did you read that Sauber had made him an offer?
 
Team boss Peter Sauber told the German magazine Auto Motor und Sport in Singapore that he would sign Schumacher "immediately" if he became available
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19757566
Whether thats an acceptable offer is up for debate
Although shcuis manager was visiting sauber in singapore, purely social mind
Eddie may be a born fibber but in the case of hammy he was deridded same as the return of schumacher
When Bernie is involved you have to listen to the clink of cash Eddie is just a conveniant mouth piece
I still wonder about Mercedes commitmant even though they have now signed the concorde agreement (strangely about the same time they got hammy)
 
i remember Jordan saying that schumacher was offered the drive at ferrari while massa had williams parts removed from his head but cant recall him breaking the story that schuey had signed for merc, that said, i stick my fingers in my ears and go LA LA LA LA LA LA LA everytime hes on the screen.

i'd like to see another year out of him, sauber would be good i think
 
Yeah if I remember right he started the rumour schu was returning to F1 via a bernie tip off
It would be nice to see him in sauber, although they are very inovative and widely copied this year, I doubt they would be a No1 car but probably the fastest after the big boys with potential and a vacancy, but just finishing in front of the mercs (moving or broken down) would be good to see
Any one heard anything more about schu's runaway car. Was it a mechanical error? or target fixation with greater than should be entry speed All seems quiet on the german front
 
the slowmo replays seem to show the car squirming before locking up, most likely that he hit the bumps and lost traction, certainly looks that way. also raikenon behind him didnt seem to be slowing as much as the 2 in front either
 
I noticed it kinked to the left and the front two wheels were smoking like a 14 year old behind the bike sheds whilst the rears seemed not to be
Was he on the primes whilst all around were on the options cant remember
If you belive schu he says it wouldnt deaccelerate and he had to apply more brake which I must admit thats what it looked like
 
it does look like that
 
mxfun said:
Hamilton chasing the cash me thinks :-)
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Depends what you read or believe
Martin whipmac says they offered hamy more cash than any f1 driver at present Thats a lot of pennies
Ross the boss says they didnt offer hamy more than maclarean
and if you believe that then you might believe hamy will do a better job than schui in welding together a winning team
 
I dont think Hamilton has done the right thing, although it might make him feel better as after all he hasnt been happy at McLaren for a couple of years, hes more often than not got a face like a slapped bottom when hes being interviewed, so perhaps a change of culture might bring out the best in him.

McLaren have stolen a march by plucking Perez from Sauber, hes a quick youngster and has shown he has the raw speed to win races, he just needs moulding into a consistent winner.


The for me is that Hamilton appears to be upset by the fact that he cant seem to win consistently in the Mclaren, however im not sure he'll be able to win at all at mercedes, atleast not consistently.


id be suprised to see Hamilton as a two time world champion now, whereas at McLaren i'd have said it was a matter of time before he put together another champions season.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Hamy, monty numpty, bernie?
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Louis Hamilton exceptional driver that has not been happy within maclaren this and probably last years season I belive its a culture thing. Ross Brawn is a team builder Martin Whitmarsh is a team manager Hamilton no longer wants to be just an employee he wants to be a shaker and a mover His management and mercedes will have convinced him of that

Luca Montezemolo number one tifoso chairman of Ferrari has a very influential voice within F1 if he talks everyone listens Puts Ferrari at the top of his prioritys if he wants V8's because ferrari dont do little cars then tooth and nail he will fight for V8's

Bernard Charles "Bernie" Ecclestone 82 year old president of CEO sharper than a drawer full of knives has his fingers in more pies than youve ever seen
controls F1 financially Comes up with stupid ideas to make F1 interesting, has had a lot of input into overtaking devices and rapid wear tyres luckily spraying the track with water hasnt appeared yet
Possibly wanted by the german police for bribery charges soon this could have repercushions within F1

If Bernie and Luca talk in agreement it will probably happen within F1
 
Michael Schumacher retired at the very top of his game, which is the best time to do it, and I had mixed feelings when he returned. There was very little left to prove, and a lot to lose. I really wanted to see the victories coming again, and he's produced some respectable results, but the last three seasons have been generally disappointing with only one podium. I don't know how much of that is down to the car simply not being competitive, but I can't help thinking that Schumi is past his remarkable best.

Driving for Sauber? I don't know. It could produce some interesting results, but there's a risk that it could just end up in fading away into final retirement. Up to him, of course. It would be good to see what he could do in one of the really hot cars though!
 
fuzzyedges said:
Louis Hamilton exceptional driver that has not been happy within maclaren this and probably last years season I belive its a culture thing. Ross Brawn is a team builder Martin Whitmarsh is a team manager Hamilton no longer wants to be just an employee he wants to be a shaker and a mover His management and mercedes will have convinced him of that

Luca Montezemolo number one tifoso chairman of Ferrari has a very influential voice within F1 if he talks everyone listens Puts Ferrari at the top of his prioritys if he wants V8's because ferrari dont do little cars then tooth and nail he will fight for V8's

Bernard Charles "Bernie" Ecclestone 82 year old president of CEO sharper than a drawer full of knives has his fingers in more pies than youve ever seen
controls F1 financially Comes up with stupid ideas to make F1 interesting, has had a lot of input into overtaking devices and rapid wear tyres luckily spraying the track with water hasnt appeared yet
Possibly wanted by the german police for bribery charges soon this could have repercushions within F1

If Bernie and Luca talk in agreement it will probably happen within F1
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Hamilton, di Montezemolo and Ecclestone is much better than "Hamy, monty numpty, bernie" isn't it? :thumbs:
 
Martin whit marsh isn't as good a team manager as his predecessor. Too many silly mistakes at mclaren costing Hamilton points and wins several times. I think it's right for him to move on.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Hamilton, di Montezemolo and Ecclestone is much better than "Hamy, monty numpty, bernie" isn't it? :thumbs:
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Hamy is not that unusual
I have no respect for ferrari top management and think the name suits
Bernie is what bernie is known as

Martin whit marsh isn't as good a team manager as his predecessor to quote Byker28i
I agree but Ron was more like Ross less concillatory more adrenolin rouseing
 
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whitewash said:
I dont think Hamilton has done the right thing, although it might make him feel better as after all he hasnt been happy at McLaren for a couple of years, hes more often than not got a face like a slapped bottom when hes being interviewed, so perhaps a change of culture might bring out the best in him.

McLaren have stolen a march by plucking Perez from Sauber, hes a quick youngster and has shown he has the raw speed to win races, he just needs moulding into a consistent winner.


The for me is that Hamilton appears to be upset by the fact that he cant seem to win consistently in the Mclaren, however im not sure he'll be able to win at all at mercedes, atleast not consistently.


id be suprised to see Hamilton as a two time world champion now, whereas at McLaren i'd have said it was a matter of time before he put together another champions season.
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pairing Button and Perez can only be good for Perez, he'll learn a lot from button.
 
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