Side swipe....

clicktor said:
Truck drivers fault. End of. Yes the car driver could have done XYZ, but they didn't.
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And nobody disagreed with that since the first page. So the point is?
 
nilagin said:
The race team are based in Cologne Germany.
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Would they advertise for hybrid technology? I guess they could. Might be likely actuall as us Germanic drivers would not expect someone to hanging next to us for that long, nor keep such huge distance from the vehicle in front. Heck not even my automatic cruise control system would leave such a gap.
 
wack61 said:
True but if she'd have sat 10m further back, or 10m further forward she wouldn't have been in his blind spot , she accelerates up to the blind spot then sits there oblivious to the truck to her left closing the gap with the truck in front and likely to want to pull out.

Some people just can't read the road and anticipate what other drivers are likely to do which is why they get spun up the motorway.

I've seen some bad driving from men over the years but I've seen some terrified women on motorways, usually in August when they decide to take the kids out for the day, I saw a woman with 2 kids in the car drive into the side of a truck as she got to the end of the slip road

A woman in her 70s got to the end of the slip road, stopped dead then as soon as there was a gap pulled straight into lane one from 0mph , luckily the drivers on the motorway saw what she was doing and managed to get out of the way
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So everyone who's been sideswiped was ultimately to blame for the incident?
I've read some [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] in my time but that's a corker.
 
viv1969 said:
So everyone who's been sideswiped was ultimately to blame for the incident?
I've read some b****x in my time but that's a corker.
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Nah you've misunderstood that, basically all women are ultimately to blame for the incidents :p :evil:
 
dejongj said:
Nah you've misunderstood that, basically all women are ultimately to blame for the incidents :p :evil:
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You laugh, but I'd bet that if the driver in the OP incident were male, some of the judgements in this thread would be very different! ;)
 
viv1969 said:
You laugh, but I'd bet that if the driver in the OP incident were male, some of the judgements in this thread would be very different! ;)
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I doubt it, there are quite a few male (as per their profile) comments regarding keeping distance, speed etc. Just as many diffy and nervous male drivers out there and on here.
 
dejongj said:
Would they advertise for hybrid technology? I guess they could.
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They certainly would. One or two of these may well have been in the back of the transporter.
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It's Toyota's team entered in the FIA World Endurance Championship (WEC), All of Toyota's motorsport teams work out of the same Cologne factory apart from the any American based motorsports.
 
nilagin said:
They certainly would. One or two of these may well have been in the back of the transporter.
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It's Toyota's team entered in the FIA World Endurance Championship (WEC), All of Toyota's motorsport teams work out of the same Cologne factory apart from the any American based motorsports.
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Tsss shocking how dares anyone block progress of something like that. Shocking behaviour :clown: :devil:
 
viv1969 said:
But why should every car driver make adjustments for every retard at the helm of an artic?
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Possibly because you're just as dead/damaged whoever is at fault.
 
viv1969 said:
So everyone who's been sideswiped was ultimately to blame for the incident?
I've read some b****x in my time but that's a corker.
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Where did I say they were to blame, I said they can't read the road , trucks don't swerve into the middle lane like they're being chased by the police, I've driven over a million miles on Britain's motorways over the last 25 years , I've been involved in one crash and that was when a truck hit the one in front and rolled back into me


Surely you can see the truck gaining on the one in front and the likelihood of the driver wanting to change lanes
 
wack61 said:
Surely you can see the truck gaining on the one in front and the likelihood of the driver wanting to change lanes
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Yes...once she's pulled out to overtake and begun her manoeuvre, a perfectly reasonable manoever I might add, I'm sure she can see that.

So is she then expected to drop back and allow him to make the manoever he might be planning, or is it not reasonable that he too use a little observation too, and allow her to complete her action?
 
She should start looking for a way out for IF he pulls out , if that were me as soon as I saw the truck staring to gain I'd have looked in the mirror to see if the outside lane was clear so IF he pulled out I'd have somewhere to go.

I would also have noticed the foreign number plate before I overtook it , and wouldn't have as little time in the blind spot , but that's experience and self preservation .

People sit in their air conditioned entertainment zone completely oblivious to what's going on around them, on the phone, texting at 70 mph , I saw that every day , I once saw a guy signing the back of a credit card on the steering wheel, women putting lipstick on and brushing their hair at speed , a guy shaving with an electric razor and doing all the facial movements as if he was stood in front of the bathroom mirror

I'm surprised more aren't spun up the motorway
 
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Yes yes....as you've already said :rolleyes:
 
wack61 said:
if that were me as soon as I saw the truck staring to gain I'd have looked in the mirror to see if the outside lane was clear so IF he pulled out I'd have somewhere to go.
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Not disagreeing with you, BUT, how do you know she didn't?
There were cars in lane 3 overtaking her, so not an option.
She was slightly past the offending unit when it hit her, so she probably wouldn't have seen it anyway, but had she suddenly pulled into lane 3 she could have `caused` an accident. (she would then have had even more `advice`)
 
OldCarlos said:
Not disagreeing with you, BUT, how do you know she didn't?
There were cars in lane 3 overtaking her, so not an option.
She was slightly past the offending unit when it hit her, so she probably wouldn't have seen it anyway, but had she suddenly pulled into lane 3 she could have `caused` an accident. (she would then have had even more `advice`)
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When the van in front of her moved over into lane 3 she had around 17 seconds before the first car over took her. As she would have had to enter lane 3 also to overtake the lorry she was getting closer to in lane 2 she had plenty of time to indicate and move to lane 3. I'd have indicated and moved as soon as the van went as there would have been plenty of room, cars in lane 3 would have been inconvenienced for a matter of seconds and slow for a bit, if she hadn't increased her speed to 70mph.
 
nilagin said:
3 would have been inconvenienced for a matter of seconds and slow for a bit, if she hadn't increased her speed to 70mph.
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What are you suggesting ? It sounds like heresy to me, all those BWM's and Ovlov's will self combust at the mere though of someone in their lane,
and NOT doing 85 mph!
 
Not splitting hairs, but not 17 seconds. (did the van in front even indicate before overtaking, giving her extra warning?)
Also the car coming up in lane 3 looks to be doing way over 70 which she may have been watching & aware of.
By the time lane 3 was clear enough * she had just about passed the front of the artic anyway, so obviously felt no urgency to move over.(presuming there wasn't another vehicle & she was able)

Others have mentioned about her speeding up & closing the gap, but she is driving safely at approx the recommended distance (2 second rule)

We all drive slightly differently (speed, distances, mirror/seat settings etc etc .....) but she was in no way at fault & other than hindsight, couldn't have done much more.

* Edit. Just watched it again & there was another car in lane 3 just before she was hit. 4 - 5 seconds after the one mentioned.
 
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OldCarlos said:
Not splitting hairs, but not 17 seconds. (did the van in front even indicate before overtaking, giving her extra warning?)
Also the car coming up in lane 3 looks to be doing way over 70 which she may have been watching & aware of.
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16 seconds then and yes the van did indicate.
 
15 - 16? doesn't change anything else I posted though. ;)




wack61 said:
I've driven over a million miles on Britain's motorways over the last 25 years , I've been involved in one crash.....
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But seen hundreds? :D


;)
 
OldCarlos said:
15 - 16? doesn't change anything else I posted though. ;)


;)
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Still plenty of time to move to the outside lane, following cars do have brakes, they'd have plenty of room and warning, slow to 70mph with no danger to anyone
 
Opinions eh.

Folk will be lane-hogging to avoid wagons & sat permanently in lanes 2, then 3 next! :rolleyes: Oh, hang on....... :)
 
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OldCarlos said:
Opinions eh.

Folk will be lane-hogging to avoid wagons & sat permanently in lanes 2, then 3 next! :rolleyes: Oh, hang on....... :)
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You don't have to lane hog to stay away from lorries, just simply overtake safely and in a timely fashion, then move back into a suitable sized gap.
 
Crikey, talk about stating the obvious :LOL: As previously said, hindsight is a wonderful thing. ;)
 
OldCarlos said:
Crikey, talk about stating the obvious :LOL: As previously said, hindsight is a wonderful thing. ;)
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And as previously said, assessing what other road users are doing and may do, will mean you leave yourself in a less risky situation or for a shorter period of time. When driving, regardless of a 5 minute journey or for several hours, your awareness should be evolving the whole time, processing your surroundings.
 
nilagin said:
And as previously said, assessing what other road users are doing and may do, will mean you leave yourself in a less risky situation or for a shorter period of time. When driving, regardless of a 5 minute journey or for several hours, your awareness should be evolving the whole time, processing your surroundings.
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Then, so stressed worrying about your risk assessments etc, YOU CRASH!!!
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Then, so stressed worrying about your risk assessments etc, YOU CRASH!!!
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If you are that easily stressed maybe you should do the right thing and don't go on the road. That is just dangerous.
 
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