Side swipe....

fracster said:
Need to know now.................:D
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I couldn't possibly comment, Mod privilege.
Its the only fun we get, reading edits where people have "done" a spoonerism, or right royaly insulted someone, and thought better of it :D
In this instance, think of a word that looks like tweak that Miley made famous :D
 
Garry Edwards said:
Hasn't it occurred to anyone who thinks that the car driver should have moved forward, that these dashcams have an extreme wideangle lens that distorts perspective and exaggerates distances?
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I was trying to time the gap between the lorry and the car and it only looks like ONE second at most! Following the 2 second rule means you have got a lot more manoeuvring options when it comes to not being next to an HGV for longer than is needed.
 
Cobra said:
I couldn't possibly comment, Mod privilege.
Its the only fun we get, reading edits where people have "done" a spoonerism, or right royaly insulted someone, and thought better of it :D
In this instance, think of a word that looks like tweak that Miley made famous :D
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You're a good boy lol
 
You'd be amazed at the lack of self preservation skills a lot of people have, In Leyland there's a traffic calmed area with the LH side bollarded, I approached the bollard with a car coming toward me, he was a long way off so I went through, except he wasn't doing 30 or anywhere near it and actually accelerated thinking it's my right of way I'll give him a scare

the only problem, I was towing a car trailer he hadn't seen, as the van cleared the bollards and I started to turn he saw it, heavy braking caused him to miss it but a totally unnecessary risk because even if he'd stayed at the same speed I'd have been well on my side of the road before he got there
 
dejongj said:
Well for starters being closers (and the video showed lots of space) to be vehicle in front would have gotten that driver out of the danger zone.

No need to be a mystic meg at all.
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True, and if the lorry slammed on the brakes and she rear ended him, everyone would be criticising her for driving too close.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
True, and if the lorry slammed on the brakes and she rear ended him, everyone would be criticising her for driving too close.
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Oh it was nowhere near that close. But hey the choice is the driver to get themselves out of a risky situation. My risk assessment would be rather different.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
True, and if the lorry slammed on the brakes and she rear ended him, everyone would be criticising her for driving too close.
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Even if the lorry slammed it's brakes on, the car should be able to stop in a much shorter distance, unless the car was travelling at a much greater speed.
 
dejongj said:
Oh it was nowhere near that close. But hey the choice is the driver to get themselves out of a risky situation. My risk assessment would be rather different.
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Yeah, I'm sure it would.
At the end of the day, the crash happened, and the lorry caused it. End of.
All the "experts" on TP can debate all day about risk assessment, Driver skills etc etc. If you tried to risk assess everything 24/7 you'd be better off staying in bed.
 
nilagin said:
Even if the lorry slammed it's brakes on, the car should be able to stop in a much shorter distance, unless the car was travelling at a much greater speed.
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True, and a car should also be able to drive along a road without getting sideswiped.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Yeah, I'm sure it would.
At the end of the day, the crash happened, and the lorry caused it. End of.
All the "experts" on TP can debate all day about risk assessment, Driver skills etc etc. If you tried to risk assess everything 24/7 you'd be better off staying in bed.
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You should be risk assessing constantly whilst driving. That doesn't mean taking risks in a bad way, but analysing what others around you are doing. If you can't do that automatically whilst driving, then yes you would be better off staying in bed.
 
nilagin said:
You should be risk assessing constantly whilst driving. That doesn't mean taking risks in a bad way, but analysing what others around you are doing. If you can't do that automatically whilst driving, then yes you would be better off staying in bed.
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I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, but if risk assessing means you can never drive along side a lorry, or other vehicle just incase they may do something dangerous or unexpected then one would be better staying at home.
 
nilagin said:
You can take a small risk and move closer to the lorry in front and remain safe, or stay in a vulnerable position and get side swiped.
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She didn't stay in a vulnerable position, she was gradually passing the lorry, and would have passed it safely if it hadn't pulled over.
The lorry driver equally should be constantly risk assessing, especially as they are meant to be a professional driver.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
She didn't stay in a vulnerable position, she was gradually passing the lorry, and would have passed it safely if it hadn't pulled over.
The lorry driver equally should be constantly risk assessing, especially as they are meant to be a professional driver.
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I think its a fine line what you have said, you are correct in that if you looked at it as a numbers name. but driving along busy roads and motorways with 40 +tons alongside at 58mph she should have given it more attention....just saying
 
Mr Bump said:
I think its a fine line what you have said, you are correct in that if you looked at it as a numbers name. but driving along busy roads and motorways with 40 +tons alongside at 58mph she should have given it more attention....just saying
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What more attention? I see no evidence of her not paying attention. Can you tell from the video the time between the truck starting to move and the collision?

She was continuing to make progress past the truck and would have been in a 'safe' [*] position in a few seconds. What you appear to be suggesting is that in overtaking a lorry, one must floor it to 90, get past the truck, then slam on the brakes to avoid rear-ending the artic in front. Or else permanently glue oneself in the 'fast lane', thus avoiding being within one lane of anything bigger than a people carrier. Do you drive an Audi? ;) :D
 
Llamaman said:
What more attention? I see no evidence of her not paying attention. Can you tell from the video the time between the truck starting to move and the collision?

She was continuing to make progress past the truck and would have been in a 'safe' [*] position in a few seconds. What you appear to be suggesting is that in overtaking a lorry, one must floor it to 90, get past the truck, then slam on the brakes to avoid rear-ending the artic in front. Or else permanently glue oneself in the 'fast lane', thus avoiding being within one lane of anything bigger than a people carrier. Do you drive an Audi? ;) :D
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With you right up to the last line lol.
 
@Llamaman if she had been making progress the truck could not have hit her, he is limited to 58 mph she is not. regardless of the who is responsible angle the only reason the truck was able to hit her is she slowed down just at the point of passing, the video clearly shows that.
 
Mr Bump said:
@Llamaman if she had been making progress the truck could not have hit her, he is limited to 58 mph she is not. regardless of the who is responsible angle the only reason the truck was able to hit her is she slowed down just at the point of passing, the video clearly shows that.
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I don't think the video does clearly show that. If you look at the white lines on the left of the image, if she slowed down, it was minimal, and not clearly obvious.
 
Mr Bump said:
@Llamaman if she had been making progress the truck could not have hit her, he is limited to 58 mph she is not.
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That makes no sense. No matter what speed she was travelling at, if she starts behind the truck then at some point she will be level with it.
 
Mr Bump said:
@Llamaman he is limited to 58 mph she is not.
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Generally 55/56, some are down at 50 or 52. Just stating so people know, not taking sides.

Drivers need to be aware that trucks do have blind spots, truck drivers are human and make mistakes just like car drivers do. The accidents are generally more destructive due to the size. If ALL people were more aware of what is around them and stop driving in the cocoon of invicibility whatever vehicle they drive shrouds them in, then the roads would be a damned site safer.
 
Are foreign trucks speed limited? Indeed, is it known that the offending truck is foreign?
 
Nod said:
Are foreign trucks speed limited? Indeed, is it known that the offending truck is foreign?
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It was a Toyota truck if I am not mistaken. English advertising on he side.
 
Nod said:
Are foreign trucks speed limited? Indeed, is it known that the offending truck is foreign?
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Any EU registered truck must be governed to enter this country.

Change must to should and you`ll be there or thereabouts.
 
dejongj said:
It was a Toyota truck if I am not mistaken. English advertising on he side.
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Plenty of units have English language livery.
Only the tractor and trailer plates will identify.
Yes yes they're supposed to also be limited for speed.
In practice they are not.

Between M20 junction 3 and 7 this evening there were 2 sideswipe incidents with the truck being of foreign origin.
 
viv1969 said:
Plenty of units have English language livery.
Only the tractor and trailer plates will identify.
Yes yes they're supposed to also be limited for speed.
In practice they are not.

Between M20 junction 3 and 7 this evening there were 2 sideswipe incidents with the truck being of foreign origin.
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And if it was, even more reason for a risk adverse driver to get out of the increased risk zone.
 
dejongj said:
And if it was, even more reason for a risk adverse driver to get out of the increased risk zone.
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But why should every car driver make adjustments for every retard at the helm of an artic?
 
viv1969 said:
But why should every car driver make adjustments for every retard at the helm of an artic?
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I thought we went over that already. They are not at fault, however regardless of fault I rather not find myself in a situation like that. Besides nothing wrong with some good manners and helping out our foreign friends.
 
dejongj said:
I thought we went over that already. They are not at fault, however regardless of fault I rather not find myself in a situation like that. Besides nothing wrong with some good manners and helping out our foreign friends.
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What? Let them side swipe us, then apologise for being in their blind spot?
 
dejongj said:
I thought we went over that already. They are not at fault, however regardless of fault I rather not find myself in a situation like that. Besides nothing wrong with some good manners and helping out our foreign friends.
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No I'm sorry but our foreign friends need to learn to adjust their practices.
 
viv1969 said:
No I'm sorry but our foreign friends need to learn to adjust their practices.
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Or the UK move to driving on the right. There is no need to keep the sword in the hand any longer.

But seriously the only logical course of action is to take the one that you can actually control. I'd rather control my choice opposed to be dependent on a total stranger.
 
Llamaman said:
That makes no sense. No matter what speed she was travelling at, if she starts behind the truck then at some point she will be level with it.
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True but if she'd have sat 10m further back, or 10m further forward she wouldn't have been in his blind spot , she accelerates up to the blind spot then sits there oblivious to the truck to her left closing the gap with the truck in front and likely to want to pull out.

Some people just can't read the road and anticipate what other drivers are likely to do which is why they get spun up the motorway.

I've seen some bad driving from men over the years but I've seen some terrified women on motorways, usually in August when they decide to take the kids out for the day, I saw a woman with 2 kids in the car drive into the side of a truck as she got to the end of the slip road

A woman in her 70s got to the end of the slip road, stopped dead then as soon as there was a gap pulled straight into lane one from 0mph , luckily the drivers on the motorway saw what she was doing and managed to get out of the way
 
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