Should the sale of fireworks be banned?

LCPete said:
Morning everyone :)
I think that they shouldn't be sold to the general public on safety grounds and because tbey frighten people's pets
it's a big deal for dog owners especially although our cats aren't too bothered
organised displays are fine tho
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Animals can't distinguish between organised displays and people setting off fireworks in their gardens.
 
ST4 said:
Yep, so about 5-10 nights out of 365. I can see the merit into banning them and the OP's point.
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id say more like a few weeks of the year in total.

i think the sale should be taken away from the public and only set off as part of organised displays. at least that would restrict it to a few days a year and cause less disruption and torment to peoples pets.
 
neil_g said:
id say more like a few weeks of the year in total.

i think the sale should be taken away from the public and only set off as part of organised displays. at least that would restrict it to a few days a year and cause less disruption and torment to peoples pets.
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And peoples children and people who like an early night. I work long hours and start early, and often go to bed early, its highly annoying when they are set off disturbing my sleep, and presumably others who have to go to bed early to start early.
 
ST4 said:
And peoples children and people who like an early night. I work long hours and start early, and often go to bed early, its highly annoying when they are set off disturbing my sleep, and presumably others who have to go to bed early to start early.
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for once i agree with you, people setting them off up and beyond 11pm in some cases.



now, im off for a lay down..
 
neil_g said:
id say more like a few weeks of the year in total.

i think the sale should be taken away from the public and only set off as part of organised displays. at least that would restrict it to a few days a year and cause less disruption and torment to peoples pets.
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Yes this is exactly what I meant
it's not just the one night but seems to go on for ages
 
ST4 said:
And peoples children and people who like an early night. I work long hours and start early, and often go to bed early, its highly annoying when they are set off disturbing my sleep, and presumably others who have to go to bed early to start early.
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Yes I know what you mean I work shifts too
 
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I have mixed feelings on this as I find the ban all proponents are restricting my freedom.
Full fat cheese is allegedly bad for us - ban that? etc

My dog is not bothered by fireworks as I made apoint of walking up to a local clay shoot when she was young and we ignored the bangs.

Where I live we get fireworks all year round with the ethnic festivals and, of course, the local drug dealers letting their customers know that a delivery has arrived
 
LCPete said:
Morning everyone :)
I think that they shouldn't be sold to the general public on safety grounds and because tbey frighten people's pets
it's a big deal for dog owners especially although our cats aren't too bothered
organised displays are fine tho
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I believe this is what they do in Australia, I don't think the public can buy them but organised displays are put on.
I personally wouldn't mind what you are proposing as, unless you're willing to spend loads of money, the organised displays are in a league way way way above anything you'd do at home so I don't see the point.
 
DorsetDude said:
You've never been to Bournemouth have you? Free? Does not compute.
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I lived in Bournemouth till I was 19 and used to love the free displays put on every Friday night off the pier over the summer (and I think Poole did displays on Thursday nights), I lived a few miles from the pier so would watch from further down the coast. So my memory of fireworks in Bournemouth was always free (although I don't recall what we did on Nov 5th).
 
TopBanana said:
I lived in Bournemouth till I was 19 and used to love the free displays put on every Friday night off the pier over the summer (and I think Poole did displays on Thursday nights), I lived a few miles from the pier so would watch from further down the coast. So my memory of fireworks in Bournemouth was always free (although I don't recall what we did on Nov 5th).
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I forgot about those, yes they're free. But on the actual 5th (or thereabouts) I dont think theres anything.
 
I don't mind people having garden displays,
but why do they have to try an out compete the local organised one
in terms of loudness?

Its been like the battle of the Somme here
for the past two weeks,
from about 6pm - midnight!
And I guess it will be for the next two weeks too!

If it were say Nov 5th and the following week-end,
should the 5th be a week day, that's plenty surely?

What happened to penny bangers and sixpence rockets?
I looked at prices recently and it's quite staggering the
amount of money that you would need to spend
to have something "half decent"
 
I'm all for a ban on public sale...or restrictions on use and this comes from someone that absolutely loves fireworks I'd pay to watch decent displays every weekend if that were possible :lol: :lol:
 
ST4 said:
And peoples children and people who like an early night. I work long hours and start early, and often go to bed early, its highly annoying when they are set off disturbing my sleep, and presumably others who have to go to bed early to start early.
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In the past, I worked nights and it was highly disturbing when people would go about their daily business what with cars and buses, road works and helicopters. Everyone else in the world should be looking after my interests. Me! Me! Me!

On a more serious note, I've never had issues with fireworks even if they go off at 2-3 am. If they were that much of an issue, I might wear ear plugs. Kids having fireworks is more of a problem but there are larger problems with kids having access to drugs and alcohol.
 
omens said:
In the past, I worked nights and it was highly disturbing when people would go about their daily business what with cars and buses, road works and helicopters. Everyone else in the world should be looking after my interests. Me! Me! Me!

On a more serious note, I've never had issues with fireworks even if they go off at 2-3 am. If they were that much of an issue, I might wear ear plugs. Kids having fireworks is more of a problem but there are larger problems with kids having access to drugs and alcohol.
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It's not about me, me, me but more about how the impact of other peoples enjoyment can have a negative impact on other peoples (and their pets/childrens) lives. I am not saying I fully support a ban of fireworks, but can see why someone may wish it to happen. Fireworks make a lot of noise and can upset peoples sleep, pets and children.

Fireworks aren't like cars, buses and road works, but an optional activity and whilst travel and repair to our infrastructure is essential for the greater public good, I cannot say fireworks are and if they disturb a significant number of people, I can see why the OP made this thread.
 
Cobra said:
I don't mind people having garden displays,
but why do they have to try an out compete the local organised one
in terms of loudness?

Its been like the battle of the Somme here
for the past two weeks,
from about 6pm - midnight!
And I guess it will be for the next two weeks too!

If it were say Nov 5th and the following week-end,
should the 5th be a week day, that's plenty surely?

What happened to penny bangers and sixpence rockets?
I looked at prices recently and it's quite staggering the
amount of money that you would need to spend
to have something "half decent"
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Yes that's what I mean if it was just a couple of days or so it wouldn't be a problem but it seems to go on for ages
 
ST4 said:
It's not about me, me, me but more about how the impact of other peoples enjoyment can have a negative impact on other peoples (and their pets/childrens) lives. I am not saying I fully support a ban of fireworks, but can see why someone may wish it to happen. Fireworks make a lot of noise and can upset peoples sleep, pets and children.

Fireworks aren't like cars, buses and road works, but an optional activity and whilst travel and repair to our infrastructure is essential for the greater public good, I cannot say fireworks are and if they disturb a significant number of people, I can see why the OP made this thread.
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Yes it doesn't bother our cats but I know at least two people that have real problems with their dog this time of year
 
TopBanana said:
I believe this is what they do in Australia, I don't think the public can buy them but organised displays are put on.
I personally wouldn't mind what you are proposing as, unless you're willing to spend loads of money, the organised displays are in a league way way way above anything you'd do at home so I don't see the point.
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Yesi don't know how people afford to buy them and as you say the organised displays are really good so there's point in doing your own anyway
 
ChasG said:
I have mixed feelings on this as I find the ban all proponents are restricting my freedom.
Full fat cheese is allegedly bad for us - ban that? etc

My dog is not bothered by fireworks as I made apoint of walking up to a local clay shoot when she was young and we ignored the bangs.

Where I live we get fireworks all year round with the ethnic festivals and, of course, the local drug dealers letting their customers know that a delivery has arrived
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Yes you have a good point I'm not in favour of stopping people doing things if it doesn't affect anyone else but fireworks are different
 
ST4 said:
... the impact of other peoples enjoyment can have a negative impact on other peoples ...
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I can see that but I was trying to point out the futility. Someone will always be upset/negatively affected by someone else. Put more than one human on the planet and you're gonna get arguments and differences of opinion.

I find dogs barking at night more distracting because it happens more times through the year. It's still not enough of a bother for me to do anything about it.
 
MartynK said:
Animals can't distinguish between organised displays and people setting off fireworks in their gardens.
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Yes but organised displays are normally in park's and similar places away from houses and are normally on over one weekend so it's not such a problem anyway
 
omens said:
I can see that but I was trying to point out the futility. Someone will always be upset/negatively affected by someone else. Put more than one human on the planet and you're gonna get arguments and differences of opinion.

I find dogs barking at night more distracting because it happens more times through the year. It's still not enough of a bother for me to do anything about it.
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I had a neighbour with a dog that did that. I called their phone and went woof woof down the line every time it happened . Did this a few times and think they've moved the dog to a bit of the house to sleep in that makes it less audible.
 
ST4 said:
I had a neighbour with a dog that did that. I called their phone and went woof woof down the line every time it happened . Did this a few times and think they've moved the dog to a bit of the house to sleep in that makes it less audible.
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Someone who lives round the corner from me has (clearly from the noise) bought a Harley Davidson chopper this year. If you think fireworks are annoying, trying living near one of those. I'd love it to be 10/365 days a year, if only. Before they ban fireworks they should ban choppers. There is absolutely no need for a motorbike to be that loud. We get it... you have a small d***, personally I don't see why people try and draw attention to that fact...
 
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LCPete said:
Yes but organised displays are normally in park's and similar places away from houses and are normally on over one weekend so it's not such a problem anyway
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I know, but cats and dogs - the most popular pets - have far more acute hearing than we do, and many parks are close to residential areas. I can think of several not far from here where they're within a couple of hundred metres of housing.

I have mixed feelings about this. I don't agree with banning things just because some people don't agree with them, but I've had a few experiences of finding/rescuing terrified animals that got out of their owners properties and bolted when fireworks were going off. Fortunately I was able to return them.
 
ST4 said:
Part of me agrees with the OP part of me thinks it's a step too far as they effect about 2/365 days of the year.
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2/365, you're having a Giraffe. They've been going off for at least 3 weeks already here, plus people get them to celebrate birthdays at other times in the year, then there is New Years also. I reckon we get a months worth spread over the course of a year, at least.
 
nilagin said:
2/365, you're having a Giraffe. They've been going off for at least 3 weeks already here, plus people get them to celebrate birthdays at other times in the year, then there is New Years also. I reckon we get a months worth spread over the course of a year, at least.
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I've only been aware of them really on two occasions where I live. Thats not to say there are other nights.
 
As for pets, as soon as our cat hears the fireworks, she comes flying into the room, leaps up onto the windowsill and happily sits there watching them.
 
nilagin said:
As for pets, as soon as our cat hears the fireworks, she comes flying into the room, leaps up onto the windowsill and happily sits there watching them.
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Yes ours aren't bothered at all by them
 
Personally, I'd very happily see public sale of fireworks banned.
As a dog owner (and our last three dogs have been terrified of them) it makes late October through to January a complete misery.

Having said that, I really don't expect the whole of the UK's social norms to revolve around me and my likes / dislikes :LOL:
I've done my bit to try to avoid them by moving somewhere more rural and 'polite' so we don't generally get subjected to tons of fireworks at unsocial hours for weeks and weeks.
What I would like to see though, is more restrictions around the periods when shops can sell fireworks to the public to try to limit them to the two big annual occasions (I'm seeing more and more places advertising 'fireworks for sale all year round') and councils making the organised displays a far more attractive option for people who do want to see them (free / cheap tickets, displays at more convenient times etc etc)
 
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I just stood in the garden and watched the firework display that the local school does each year.
It was AWESOME!!
:D
 
With regards to an it social/pets its for about a week once a year. As for the safety aspect I can well understand that. A few years back my wife was helping my son with a sparkler at my parents. It slipped out their gloved hands and landed in my nephews pushchair and burnt a hiole in it. We were VERY greatful he wasn't in it. I think fireworks are ok if the guides are followed but letting children have white hot metal wire I now think is a very stupid idea.
 
MartynK said:
Animals can't distinguish between organised displays and people setting off fireworks in their gardens.
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Correct. 100%

But.

Organised displays usually go on for about 15 minutes and it is uncommon for more than a couple of be close enough to upset animals or indeed children. Giving pet owners the ability to plan their time around them to ensure the kids and animals are given the appropriate levels of care.

Home displays and 'random ignition' happen pretty much from mid afternoon until after midnight in the weeks up to and post fireworks night and NYE. Much harder to plan for. That huge banger that goes off as you are out walking the dog/popping the child in the car or something can have a pretty negative effect for the already nervous.
 
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