Scum

[Yantorsen]

No, you cited your aunt as a source, but you have no empirical proof to back up your claim, ergo it's hearsay

I actually said that it's not much evidence from your point of view.

 

[Flash In The Pan]

I think Yantorsen is suddenly busy......playing Word Association

 

[Yantorsen]

So how can two men who broke a baby's back, put a gouge in his head, pulled his fingernails out, cut off the tip of his finger and gave him 8 broken ribs ever be rehabilitated, to take an example from a story given a few posts ago?

well with some serious counsilling and schooling etc, then it's possible, i do agree it's unlikely, but i don't think it is impossible.

 

[Flash In The Pan]

I actually said that it's not much evidence from your point of view.

You still cited it as evidence, which it isn't. It's pure hearsay, it has no evidential value whatsoever.

 

[Yantorsen]

I think Yantorsen is suddenly busy......playing Word Association

doing art cwk atually

 

[Garnock]

It's so infuriating reading these threads. I'm not talking about your average Sat night death from a brawl or your domestic murder following a row. I'm taking about cold, calculated and deliberate murder. I've had to sit down and speak to some of these people. Not only have they killed people, they've subjected them to cruelties you would not believe one human being could inflict on another. There is no remorse whatsoever other than the remorse at getting caught.

Your'e left in no doubt that they are so far out of step with normal standards of what is right and wrong, so ****ed up, that they will be a threat to society as long as they draw breath. Many of them are scary people to have to deal with on any level, you have to pity the prison staff who are effectively banged up with them all day. There are thousands of them in prisons up and down the country and many more walking about in society like time bombs.

Let life mean life... otherwise remove the threat permanently.

Enlightened my arse.

This is the most sensible statement tonight.

"Enlightened my arse."

thats what puts me off going to prison
dont drop the soap and all that

And this is the funniest.

 

[Gary]

Best way to do that is sit on your flashgun

so thats where you got your username

 

[Yantorsen]

You still cited it as evidence, which it isn't. It's pure hearsay, it has no evidential value whatsoever.

it has evidential value, just not objectively.

 

[RichardC27]

And, to take your point from a few posts ago, the taxpayer should spend money over and above the cost of imprisoning them on a counsellor to try and find out why they did such a hideous thing and try and rehabilitate them, however unlikely that may be, should they? That sort of thing doesn't come cheap.

 

[Monkey]

well with some serious counsilling and schooling etc, then it's possible, i do agree it's unlikely, but i don't think it is impossible.

:shrug:

 

[Yantorsen]

It's so infuriating reading these threads. I'm not talking about your average Sat night death from a brawl or your domestic murder following a row. I'm taking about cold, calculated and deliberate murder. I've had to sit down and speak to some of these people. Not only have they killed people, they've subjected them to cruelties you would not believe one human being could inflict on another. There is no remorse whatsoever other than the remorse at getting caught.

Your'e left in no doubt that they are so far out of step with normal standards of what is right and wrong, so ****ed up, that they will be a threat to society as long as they draw breath. Many of them are scary people to have to deal with on any level, you have to pity the prison staff who are effectively banged up with them all day. There are thousands of them in prisons up and down the country and many more walking about in society like time bombs.

Let life mean life... otherwise remove the threat permanently.

Enlightened my arse.

what are "normal" standards of society? you mean the laws imposed on us?

 

[Yantorsen]

And, to take your point from a few posts ago, the taxpayer should spend money over and above the cost of imprisoning them on a counsellor to try and find out why they did such a hideous thing and try and rehabilitate them, however unlikely that may be, should they? That sort of thing doesn't come cheap.

well they should try yes.

 

[Monkey]

so thats where you got your username

classic.

 

[Flash In The Pan]

well with some serious counsilling and schooling etc, then it's possible, i do agree it's unlikely, but i don't think it is impossible.

You can't honestly, in your heart of hearts believe that, surely? Next you'll be telling me you're a Jimmy Boyle fan

(he's not an actor, btw, but they did make a film of his life)

 

[RichardC27]

well they should try yes.

But we can't afford to imprison people for life, meaning life? Yet we can afford a counsellor to take a hell of long time talking to these monsters to try and maybe, possibly see if they can someday maybe be let out into society if they might show a bit of improvement, possibly?

 

[Yantorsen]

You can't honestly, in your heart of hearts believe that, surely?

Of course I can.

 

[Yantorsen]

But we can't afford to imprison people for life, meaning life?

yeah I know, I don't have all the answers you know...

 

[OutLore]

well with some serious counsilling and schooling etc, then it's possible, i do agree it's unlikely, but i don't think it is impossible.

I thought you had studied some form of psychology (from a previous post you made)? There are some who cannot be rehabilitated, as they are not 100% "correct" mentally.

 

[Flash In The Pan]

so thats where you got your username

Like the old joke goes...."you shag one sheep badger....."

 

[Yantorsen]

I thought you had studied some form of psychology (from a previous post you made)? There are some who cannot be rehabilitated, as they are not 100% "correct" mentally.

yeah I have.


well that's a matter of opinion, I prefer not to define what is "correct" in humans, that's a slippery road genocide.

 

[Flash In The Pan]

Of course I can.

Then you are an incredibly naive young man

 

[RichardC27]

yeah I have.


well that's a matter of opinion, I prefer not to define what is "correct" in humans, that's a slippery road genocide.

So everyone in Broadmoor should be let out, since it's not up to anybody to decide what's 'correct'?

 

[CT]

what are "normal" standards of society? you mean the laws imposed on us?

Oh FFS! Most people would accept it isn't really acceptable to gouge someone's eyes out with a spoon before they subject them to other indignities and sufferings before they finally put them out of their misery, whether that that was actually spelled out in the letter of the law or not.

 

[Gary]

Like the old joke goes...."you shag one sheep badger....."

anyway, i really am off this time! i promise not to come back!

 

[Yantorsen]

Then you are an incredibly naive young man

and you are an incredibly pessimistic old man.

 

[OutLore]

yeah I have.


well that's a matter of opinion, I prefer not to define what is "correct" in humans, that's a slippery road genocide.

I mean "correct" as in the wires in their brain do not connect to each other. There is no sense of right or wrong, and they will not show ANY remorse. These people, cannot be "fixed", as they cannot see that what they are doing is wrong.

It is accepted by psychologists, worldwide, that there are some people who fit this criteria.

 

[Yantorsen]

Oh FFS! Most people would accept it isn't really acceptable to gouge someone's eyes out with a spoon before they subject them to other indignities and sufferings before they finally put them out of their misery, whether that that was actually spelled out in the letter of the law or not.

well most people in 1930s Germany thought it was ok to discriminate Jews, the majority isn't always right.

I don't think you can really say somebody is wrong in the head, they just don't conform to society in a way that effects society for the worse, they should just be outlawed if you ask me, but that isn't really possible, there nowhere for them to go.

 

[Yantorsen]

I mean "correct" as in the wires in their brain do not connect to each other. There is no sense of right or wrong, and they will not show ANY remorse. These people, cannot be "fixed", as they cannot see that what they are doing is wrong.

oh you mean like that, well in that case, you should pity them.

 

[OutLore]

oh you mean like that, well in that case, you should pity them.

And do what else? You would have us all holding hands and singing Kum-Bi-Ah.

 

[RichardC27]

I'm getting a serious whiff of troll on this thread....

 

[RichardC27]

And do what else? You would have us all holding hands and singing Kum-Bi-Ah.

 

[CT]

I don't think you can really say somebody is wrong in the head, they just don't conform to society in a way that effects society for the worse, they should just be outlawed if you ask me, but that isn't really possible, there nowhere for them to go.

Here's a plan. When you get your own place you could have a few of 'em as lodgers. You could have endless hours of fun discussing this stuff with them.

 

[Flash In The Pan]

and you are an incredibly pessimistic old man.

Less of the old

Seriously though, what level did you study Psychology to, being that you're only 17?

I can only imagine you've had a cursory introduction to it - your naivity suggests that you are basing your rationale on the basic tenet that everyone is essentially good and those who have committed serious crimes are merely poor misunderstood individuals that just need a good "hug" to turn them into productive members of society, but there have been many, many cases over the past few years where "rehabilitated" murders or rapists have been released from prison only to reoffend within a very short space of time.

At some point you'll have to admit that the safety and wellbeing of the masses has to outweigh that of the individual - especially if that individual has shown a predeliction to gross violations of the rights of others.

 

[Yantorsen]

Here's a plan. When you get your own place you could have a few of 'em as lodgers. You could have endless hours of fun discussing this stuff with them.

I would enjoy that if I had security guards by my side.

 

[ChrisMClark]

everyone is essentially good and those who have committed serious crimes are merely poor misunderstood individuals that just need a good "hug" to turn them into productive members of society

Wrong, some people are just plain evil, like the Welsh

I'm not even going to pass commment one the little oik that'd do something like that, I'll only wind myself up

 

[Garnock]

Here's a plan. When you get your own place you could have a few of 'em as lodgers. You could have endless hours of fun discussing this stuff with them.

You could also set up a few video camera's so that we could see the gory details on Sky News ............. before they get a community service order.

 

[Yantorsen]

Less of the old

Seriously though, what level did you study Psychology to, being that you're only 17?

I can only imagine you've had a cursory introduction to it - your naivity suggests that you are basing your rationale on the basic tenet that everyone is essentially good and those who have committed serious crimes are merely poor misunderstood individuals that just need a good "hug" to turn them into productive members of society, but there have been many, many cases over the past few years where "rehabilitated" murders or rapists have been released from prison only to reoffend within a very short space of time.

At some point you'll have to admit that the safety and wellbeing of the masses has to outweigh that of the individual - especially if that individual has shown a predeliction to gross violations of the rights of others.

I did it a year early so I'm just finishing off the A2 level in it now.

But I don't have to accept that, I simply don't believe it's true, and if it is really just a physical problem, then they should not be killed.

 

[Splog]

well most people in 1930s Germany thought it was ok to discriminate Jews, the majority isn't always right.

Because they were caught up in a state sponsored brainwashing, and too many weren't intelligent enough to think about, question and challenge what they were being told

I don't think you can really say somebody is wrong in the head, they just don't conform to society in a way that effects society for the worse, they should just be outlawed if you ask me, but that isn't really possible, there nowhere for them to go.

Yes there is :bonk: Prison, hospital or 6ft under

 

[OutLore]

I'm getting a serious whiff of troll on this thread....

Correct, pose a question to which he has no answer and he swiftly moves on....

Too many contradictions and misuse of terminology and general errors for me in this thread now...

 

[Flash In The Pan]

I did it a year early so I'm just finishing off the A2 level in it now.

High school subjects like psychology are basic at best if not also somewhat biased by whatever the teacher's own leanings are.

I seem to remember when I did Modern Studies at school the basic theme that was drummed into us was that socialism was the political ideal which we should be embracing and that capitalism was evil, which again was mainly down to the teacher's own political leanings, backed up by the fact he is now a high heid yin in union politics....