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Yantorsen said:
well most people in 1930s Germany thought it was ok to discriminate Jews, the majority isn't always right.
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Yes - and look what stopped them. Physical force.

Yantorsen said:
I don't think you can really say somebody is wrong in the head, they just don't conform to society in a way that effects society for the worse, they should just be outlawed if you ask me, but that isn't really possible, there nowhere for them to go.
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Yantorsen said:
oh you mean like that, well in that case, you should pity them.
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Sounds like a bit of a contradiction there - you don't think that people are "wrong in the head" yet you feel we should pity people who are?:shrug::shrug:
 
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CT i agree with your view



I think we should bring back the cane, and stop teaching rubbish to kids. Sack all the judges and replace them with real, decent hard working people that understand what crime really does to people. No more soft judges and justice - enough is enough.

ban the sale of fireworks to the public, and rewrite the human rights act....

and yes we can ban kitchen knives - most knives sold have the sharp pointy bit on the end - this is the bit that kill but for 90% of the time it is not needed in the kitchen...

replace with curved end knives
 
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Looking at the various points of view, i dont think everyone will ever agree with each other as to whats what in the world.Let the punishment fit the crime?? a bit like the MIkado. None the less society is now degrading in a very steady downward spiral, were all to blame for it.Looking the other way, its not my problem most of us have done it plus other instances .Think of a time you could have done something but didnt.
We no longer have any deterrants. Murder if its beyond doubt hang them, if not life is life. Robbery with violence long term no remission. Attacks on the elderly custodial plus name and shame, so on and so forth but its never going to happen.Why were only to keen to moan but we never do anything about it because the government of the day, not just the present jokers and the pollitically correct are now so strong that the law is now in place to protect the perpetrator not the victim.Im not advocating taking to the streets but make your mps life and the local authorities life a misery, its a start to change we did it where i live and after 6mths the little darlings and bag heads are well gone and they havent just moved somewhere else as they were never allowed to resettle.
Yantorsen...As for having security guards by your side after us also being stereotyped by others on the forum You Know we will only take your camera as thats all we do.:D:D
 
sportysnaps said:
I think we should bring back the cane, and stop teaching rubbish to kids. Sack all the judges and replace them with real, decent hard working people that understand what crime really does to people. No more soft judges and justice - enough is enough.

ban the sale of fireworks to the public, and rewrite the human rights act....

and yes we can ban kitchen knives - most knives sold have the sharp pointy bit on the end - this is the bit that kill but for 90% of the time it is not needed in the kitchen...

replace with curved end knives
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There was a post up a while ago about schools a couple of decades ago, and school today, and it was getting at the way kids are taught these days. It's all to much of a namby pamby approach to education, but I don't think it's the teachers at fault. I think it's the schools and the system itself. Teachers can't even shout at kids anymore without fear of being sued in what has become a big compensation culture, and the PC brigade will always have something to say no matter what it is, and of course that's before the H&S nazis have arrived :D

Even the Army's gone soft. When I joined the Army 6 years ago I was bawled at, pushed around and had all but my basic human rights revoked (BUT I HASTEN TO ADD, I WAS NOT BULLIED as that idiot reporter from the BBC1 docu 'secret soldier' would have you believe) and it made me the person I am today; confident, level headed, strong willed and with more discipline than you can shake a stick at. Already it's changed and the 'kids' as they're known aren't to be shouted at, aren't to be swore at, and rumour has it they're even allowed TVs and quilts now :cuckoo: But I'm sure they'll have all those comforts out in Afghanistan :thumbsdown: And this is a nother product of the 'H&S, PC and afraid of being sued for speaking' nation we're becoming. The 'credit crunch' is not the biggest problem in this country, our main issue has existed far longer, and that's that most people are afraid to demand justice, afraid to put gobby kids in their place and afraid to fight back againts a country that's going down the sh*tter. All because they're worried about violating any one of a number of stupid guidelines to stop you getting sued by little Terrence F*ckwit who'd rather make a living suing other people for nothing rather than actually gettig a job. Reform the schools, bring back National Service and shut down all these compensation grabbing law firms. That would be a start to sorting out the mess that I, supposedly, am willing to lay down my life for.

Wow, how's that for a first-thing-in-the-morning rant? :D
 
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Yantorsen said:
Well I don't see what the death penalty would achieve? Other than a nice feeling of revenge for the victims.
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You hit the nail right on the head there....

I prefer the word justice or deterrent to revenge......What deterrant is there to this sort of thing nowadays when you have a namby society who believe pamering the thugs is the way rather than shwoing them in no uncertain terms that what they believe in is WRONG

Having said that, the little f*****s would be dead if it was my child's pram so a state dictated death penalty wouldn't come into it....

It's all too common nowadays and the sooner the do-gooders see that their tactis aint working the sooner we can get back to a time when people said thank you for you holding the door, "let me help you with that trolley" rather than smashing a beer bottle over the poor elderly lady's head and running off with the shopping.

I read in the paper this morning about THIS

I guess the nambys in this world would all jump up when types like me shout hang the little t**ts, and respond with "oh no, no, no that's not the way, these kids are feeling pain too you know"

Rant over.
 
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CopeImages said:
I guess the nambys in this world would all jump up when types like me shout hang the little t**ts, and respond with "oh no, no, no that's not the way, these kids are feeling pain too"
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I bet they'd change their tune if it was their kids pram some kid launched a firework into, or if it was their house that got robvbed, or their back gate that kids were dealing drugs outside of. Stupid liberal b&stards, they will never learn.
 
I don't know if it is worth posting in this thread. But for what it is worth:

This debate has happened for hundreds of years, look at the houha in the 1700's, the 1800's, the gangs in the middle ages, etc, etc.
As an aside, I understand that the 'eye for an eye' rule was actually an incredibly soft and lenient law when first introduced (Babylon I think - I should go google to check my memory, but I can't be bothered) replacing punitive revenge punishments.

There are some people that I would class as psycopaths who will commit horrific crimes. Those people can sometimes be changed, but that is difficult and long term. I would say that such people have a strange view of the world and tend to have no consideration of the consequences of their actions or the mental states of those they interact with. Interestingly there are clear parallels with many very successful business people (step forward those who work on the trading desks) which does suggest that it should be possible to bring the criminals into society.

Punishment as deterent is ineffective - always has been; always will be. 'Pro' Criminals do not expect to be caught. They do not expect to suffer the punishment. Druggies etc are generally incapable of managing the thought processes through to possible concequences. The 'needs' outweigh everything else.

Harsh prison conditions brutalise the prisoner. This is a poor long term strategy. If you really want to reduce crime (rather than as the americans do, lock up half the country) you need to get people to become involved in 'normal' society, not to exclude them.

Dealing with crime ought to be done with some intelligence (so we're out of luck with the politicians running things), we should be taking action to reduce crime rather than making a fuss after crime has been comitted. Running prisons is an expensive business and it has been shown that intervention at an early stage can turn people away from crime (which reduces crime and saves money in the longer term). But that comes out of different budgets and the tabloids dont like the idea of spending money on young houligans.

All the research that I have seen shows that crime rises in times of economic stress and when the disparity in society increases. n Knee jerk reactions do not help, in fact they make things worse.

Hey ho.


(and I guess I should offer an appology for any seeming agreement with Yantorsen)
 
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Simmotino said:
Personally, I'd like to introduce the death penalty for argumentative internet trolls.
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a tad harsh, banning normally does the trick. :suspect:
 
Garnock said:
I still say it all stems from lack of discipline in the home and schools and I don't blame the teachers.
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Thus suggesting parents, how are you to discipline a child these days, smacking is pretty much disallowed now, when they learn to shout back instead of running off crying you are sorta a bit stuck.

ground them but you cant physically stop them leaving?
 
fletch5 said:
Thus suggesting parents, how are you to discipline a child these days, smacking is pretty much disallowed now, when they learn to shout back instead of running off crying you are sorta a bit stuck.

ground them but you cant physically stop them leaving?
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Yes, I blame parents with no control and previous govts. that have removed corporal punishment from schools.
Children, especially from poor catchment areas, simply run riot with the knowledge that teachers can do next to nothing about it.
I feel for responsible parents with children at school these days.
 
Garnock said:
Yes, I blame parents with no control and previous govts. that have removed corporal punishment from schools.
Children, especially from poor catchment areas, simply run riot with the knowledge that teachers can do next to nothing about it.
I feel for responsible parents with children at school these days.
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and due to retarded rules a school automatically fails ofsted if it excludes too many pupils rather than being supported in ousting trouble makers and those that disrupt the learning of others and with it (especially for those pupils who are dangerous this puts both fellow pupils and teaching staff at risk.
 
very true, but in the end, everyone is stuck the same. you wouldnt get away with giving a kid on the street a swift blow for, say, throwing a firework into a newborns pram, but neither can the parents. police cant just arrest them because of child protection laws etc.., so basically they walk away scot free.

once some kids learn how easy it is, then others follow. the only chance you stand that what you instilled in them as right and wrong when they were younger survives.
 
Even if the evil barstewards who commit these heinous crimes could be rehabilitated(which I 99.9% doubt is possible), I still think they should have their right to live removed. Just like they did to their victims. The only way I would ever change my mind about that, is if the victims could be brought back to life, with no ill effects and their minds be erased of their suffering at the hands of the criminal. As well as the minds of their friends and family, who will have suffered more than the victim in the after math for years and years after.

I think the criminals (the 0.01%) who wind up genuinely sorry for their crimes and would never dream of doing anything like it again ... only wind up killing themselves because of the guilt anyway. Those who don't feel this kind of true remorse, are obviously not, and never will be 'fixed'. So why risk giving them a chance to re offend? they shouldn't even be aloud to breath so they can even fantasise about doing it again.
 
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Jo for PM! :D
I have to agree, and I'll take a flaming for this, but I don't think that most criminals can ever be truly rehabilitated, certainly not by locking them in a prison that rivals a 5 star hotel for it's facilities. I have to pay for my TV, DVD, computer, internet access etc, they get it for free? Where did we lose our way?
 
this thread scares me.

I used to throw fire works at my friends, there is nothing wrong with the sale of fire works, or kids messing around. Yes some one some where is going to do some ****ed up stuff with any thing even slightly dangerous, that is no reason to wrap the world in bubble warp, or go all daily mail on them.
 
The way society is failing is not just the kids fault. They have to have something to relate to. Today there is nothing. This week alone a man defends himself in his shop against a knife attack.The attacker is killed with his own knife.His is the family that wants justice. A father kicked to death by a gang parents now engaging best council possible they say, as the kids shouldnt be inside missing out on life.If thats the attitude of the adults god help the kids.While schools speak 2,3and four differant languages there is always going to conflict due to misunderstandings that spill over into occasional violance and create ghetto areas. THere should be a sterner discipline in education, one language, and greater deterants in general but putting this in place would cost money or more important votes, if people are made accountable for their actions. So where do we go and is it too late??
 
no i have been vegan since i was 14, and its plays with fire, not plays with fire works.
 
Zero tolerance is the way to go IMO. If you mess up in school you get punished. Have something taken away from them, that would make them think twice. A weeks detention for 1 hour after school for the less serious wrong doings. But if a kid at school does something serious I believe they should be made to look foolish in front of their peers. No one wants to look like an idiot in front of their friends, it will not be a badge of honour or something worth bragging about ... to be made to stand in a corner wearing a dunce cap for the entire lesson.

Obviously really serious stuff should be addressed differently, with suspension or Expulsion. But maybe just maybe if they could address the less serious wrong doings the worse stuff would never happen :shrug:

Just to ad also that I think if kids are taught in school to respect their home town they might not be so keen to vandalise it. So maybe naming 1 day a month as cleanup day, the kids get the day off school to be spent being watched over by their teacher, as they pick up litter and cleaning off any graffiti found in their town/village. All kids should be made to do this, and if they miss the day, they are made to do 2 days back to back the following month. It's educational :shrug: They are learning to respect their environment. Maybe once any litter problem is under control there could be some other way of utilising the day to teach another valuable lesson.

Meh, they all seem like silly ideas when jotted down, and there are probably more flaws in any of the ideas then makes them worthwhile, but it felt good to rant/type it out :lol:
 
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Chris Reed said:
this thread scares me.

I used to throw fire works at my friends, there is nothing wrong with the sale of fire works, or kids messing around. Yes some one some where is going to do some ****ed up stuff with any thing even slightly dangerous, that is no reason to wrap the world in bubble warp, or go all daily mail on them.
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You used to throw fireworks and you appear to think there's nothing wrong with that??

Now THAT scares me!
 
Chris Reed said:
this thread scares me.

I used to throw fire works at my friends, there is nothing wrong with the sale of fire works, or kids messing around. Yes some one some where is going to do some ****ed up stuff with any thing even slightly dangerous, that is no reason to wrap the world in bubble warp, or go all daily mail on them.
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exactly how old are you? im assuming very very young, and very very silly.

i think you should seek counseling now before its too late
 
Monkey said:
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exactly how old are you? im assuming very very young, and very very silly.

i think you should seek counseling now before its too late
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(well i tried to stay away, but it was just too hard!)

Monkey, why do most of your posts just insult the person you dissagree with? Everyone else is putting their opinions across and all you do is insult people.
make your argument without the slagging

(i'm too scared to press submit incase those messed up fingers appear on my screen again)
 
Flash In The Pan said:
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No...you're quite right. Throwing fireworks never injured anyone.....

http://nielsolson.us/pictures/FirecrackerInjury.jpg
** Warning, not for the squeamish. Image of an injury **
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should be printed LARGE in every shop that sells them, it's a shame the newspapers are too scared to print this sort of stuff

this looks like a Mans hand - although I'm surprised at the lack of burns - but still the same what kind of damage would this have done to a baby?...
 
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