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Now this seems like a good place to send your kids.
 
I saw that on Facebook. Nice sentiments. I'm sure I read it was a copy and paste job from an American letter.
 
Regardless of the letters origin, I think it's a great thing to do and no doubt gave a fair few pupils a much needed dose of confidence.
 
I think it's an excellent letter. You should have a look at some of the readers comments on the BBC news site though, some of them are truly awful.
 
ecoleman said:
Sorry, I'm one that doesn't think this is so great. So the kids haven't done so well and the head mistress just sugar coats it.
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The letter was sent to all pupils, regardless of results, after the school's best ever key stage 2 results, so how do you figure that out?

Did you even bother reading the article, or just decide to rock up to the thread and take a sh....dump?

Blimey :rolleyes:
 
It was discussed on woman's hour yesterday.....I think it is a great idea.....
 
viv1969 said:
The letter was sent to all pupils, regardless of results, after the school's best ever key stage 2 results, so how do you figure that out?

Did you even bother reading the article, or just decide to rock up to the thread and take a sh....dump?

Blimey :rolleyes:
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I certainly did read it. Obviously you didn't because there is no mention of the actual results or that they were the schools best ever results.

There is far to much "nobody's a looser" mentality in this country.

But hey, that's my opinion.
 
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ecoleman said:
I certainly did read it. Obviously you didn't because there is no mention of the actual results or that they were the schools best ever results.

There is far to much "nobody's a looser" mentality in this country.

But hey, that's my opinion.
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In things like sports day id tend to agree but with regards to the letter it's totally different!
This is simply a confidence boost, we all need that at times no matter what our age..
Kids can be excellent in class, excel at quite a few things..... BUT sit them in an exam style situation, they freeze and struggle.. Things like this help them, lifts their spirit... :)


Sent from Button Moon.....
 
ecoleman said:
I certainly did read it. Obviously you didn't because there is no mention of the actual results or that they were the schools best ever results.

There is far to much "nobody's a looser" mentality in this country.

But hey, that's my opinion.
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28325561

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".........best ever key stage 2 results"

You must be a real hit at parties.
 
ecoleman said:
I certainly did read it. Obviously you didn't because there is no mention of the actual results or that they were the schools best ever results.

There is far to much "nobody's a looser" mentality in this country.

But hey, that's my opinion.
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You not along there, I very much got that feeling too from reading that letter :( I'm all for encouraging youngsters but I also believe in setting targets...

With the culture of "nobody's a looser" it's actually developing a generation who see no value in being a winner..

Now obviously in real life there is always a winner and lots of loosers...obviously very subjective on how you measure that, lets face it some people's idea of being a winner, is getting a job that earns you £150,000pa with a nice house, beautiful wife and 2.4 little darlings...

For others though a life of an artist, just keeping the wolves from the door but enjoying every second of living the dream is the zenith of their desires

Both a winners in their own life, but both have worked at their own goals in life
 
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viv1969 said:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28325561

One click in the same story.

".........best ever key stage 2 results"

You must be a real hit at parties.
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You posted the first link and that's what I read. Don't now post another link expecting me to have read that as well.

You think it's great and that's your opinion. I respect that.
I don't think it's right, so leave it alone.

What I'm like at parties has nothing to do with you :)
 
ecoleman said:
You posted the first link and that's what I read. Don't now post another link expecting me to have read that as well.

You think it's great and that's your opinion. I respect that.
I don't think it's right, so leave it alone.

What I'm like at parties has nothing to do with you :)
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My apologies.
Most people can manage two reads a day.
You've stated that the letter was issued to make pupils feel warm and fuzzy about bad results.
It says alot about you as a person that you cannot later admit you were incorrect.
 
viv1969 said:
My apologies.
Most people can manage two reads a day.
You've stated that the letter was issued to make pupils feel warm and fuzzy about bad results.
It says alot about you as a person that you cannot later admit you were incorrect.
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I'll withdraw my opinion. I can't be bothered with nasty people.
That's the last I'll say on the matter.
 
Let's remember who this letter is aimed at. These are 11year old children, I know what I was like at that age. They are full of raging hormones, their bodies are changing, maybe about to move to a new school, they are starting to become aware of the opposite sex and the pressures that adds. Their lives are at a point when confidence is very fragile, well done to the school for giving them a boost!
 
ecoleman said:
I certainly did read it. Obviously you didn't because there is no mention of the actual results or that they were the schools best ever results.

There is far to much "nobody's a looser" mentality in this country.

But hey, that's my opinion.
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At last.... Sense spoken. There is too much pandering going on. Partly sums up our lack of sporting success in things like football. Was speaking to another parent the other day about how frustrating is that so much resource is spent on kids that just don't/can't do certain things yet the high flyers are ignored. Not saying we should abandon kids, but let's be fair, and putting more resource into the high achieves will see significant results. I have been managing people for 9 years or so and have learnt that focussing on my high achieves gets better results than focussing on the ones struggling.
 
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ChrisHeathcote said:
Let's remember who this letter is aimed at. These are 11year old children, I know what I was like at that age. They are full of raging hormones, their bodies are changing, maybe about to move to a new school, they are starting to become aware of the opposite sex and the pressures that adds. Their lives are at a point when confidence is very fragile, well done to the school for giving them a boost!
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Agree to a point, but they also need to realise what life is like in the big bad world we live in. I think too many kids are shocked when they have to start work as they are too sheltered in school. A mate teaches 16-18yo mechanics at college and says they are a world apart from himself 25 years ago... And not in a good way.
 
cambsno said:
At last.... Sense spoken. There is too much treating children as children going on. Partly sums up our lack of sporting success in things like football. Was speaking to another parent the other day about how frustrating is that so much resource is spent on children that aren't mine, yet my far superior children are ignored. Not saying we should abandon kids, but let's be fair, neglecting those that score poorly will see significant results. I have been managing people for 9 years or so and have learnt that focussing on my high achieves gets better results than focussing on the ones struggling.
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I have fixed your quote for you :) well that's how I read it anyway.

Give brighter children extra work if they want it, but this should never be done to the determinant of those that academically struggle.

I believe everyone in a class should be taught to / at the same level, with the option to reach up further extended to all those that wish to try.

There was never any pressure applied by teachers to go to Grammar School, and it was completely my own choice to apply and put the extra work in.

This is the model that I was taught by, and as such I sailed through primary and secondary education (currently at Uni level) without feeling like I was being treated preferentially.
 
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I think this graphic sums it up quite well. I don't really need to add any further words.

fairness.jpg
 
cambsno said:
Agree to a point, but they also need to realise what life is like in the big bad world we live in. I think too many kids are shocked when they have to start work as they are too sheltered in school. A mate teaches 16-18yo mechanics at college and says they are a world apart from himself 25 years ago... And not in a good way.
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Again I half agree, but at what age do we make them learn the harsh reality. It's not about sheltering them, I think today there are so many pressures on children, certainly more than when I was at school. Why not children be children. Start off by teaching the responsibility, manners, common courtesy etc. Then how to handle rejection, Life lessons will naturally happen.
 
ChrisHeathcote said:
Again I half agree, but at what age do we make them learn the harsh reality. It's not about sheltering them, I think today there are so many pressures on children, certainly more than when I was at school. Why not children be children. Start off by teaching the responsibility, manners, common courtesy etc. Then how to handle rejection, Life lessons will naturally happen.
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Well we should be beating all this tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Father Christmas rubbish out of them by age 6 IMO :naughty:
 
POAH said:
I did that :)

what was the letter about, cba reading it
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It was your general your all wonderful and unique in your own way kind of thing...and that exams don't understand or measure this
 
MWHCVT said:
It was your general your all wonderful and unique in your own way kind of thing...and that exams don't understand or measure this
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that's the kind of thing you say to a kid when they are crap at something lol
 
POAH said:
that's the kind of thing you say to a kid when they are crap at something lol
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And that's the kind of ignorant rubbish spouted forth by someone who can't even be arsed to read what the thread's about.

Without that, your opinion is wholly without merit.

Expect that from some lately, but at least they read the article.
 
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ACW said:
I think this graphic sums it up quite well. I don't really need to add any further words.

fairness.jpg
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It's called scaffolding and is very successful tool in helping children of all ages to develop their potential.

cambsno said:
At last.... Sense spoken. There is too much pandering going on. Partly sums up our lack of sporting success in things like football.
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Yeah because we have no sporting world champions, no Olympic gold medalists or teams that are best in the world.

We have a rich and diverse country full of individual entrepreneurs some of the best scientific minds great artists and modern thinkers which help to make this country one of the best in the world and one of the richest. Hardly a nation of pampered losers.
 
I think some people are going on about pandering to kids when in reality they're disappointed at their own failings.
 
Ricardodaforce said: ↑
I saw that on Facebook. Nice sentiments. I'm sure I read it was a copy and paste job from an American letter.

viv1969 said:
I don't think that matters.
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It's obviously well intentioned, albeit typical of the sort of saccharine "like-bait" post you find on Facebook. But I'm not sure condoning plagiarism, aside from potential copyright infringement, is a good message from an education establishment.
 
Spuff said:
Ricardodaforce said: ↑
I saw that on Facebook. Nice sentiments. I'm sure I read it was a copy and paste job from an American letter.



It's obviously well intentioned, albeit typical of the sort of saccharine "like-bait" post you find on Facebook. But I'm not sure condoning plagiarism, aside from potential copyright infringement, is a good message from an education establishment.
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If someone links to the original, that will be relevant. Until then...not so much.
 
The only thing missing from that letter was "Have a nice day" at the end.
 
viv1969 said:
And that's the kind of ignorant rubbish spouted forth by someone who can't even be arsed to read what the thread's about.

Without that, your opinion is wholly without merit.

Expect that from some lately, but at least they read the article.
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I made a comment based on the reply I got whats the issue with that.
 
archangel said:
It was discussed on woman's hour yesterday....
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I really do worry about you sometimes Angle I really do :D
Next your'll be telling me that you subscribe to "mums net"
(I'm even ashamed to admit that I know of its existence :( )

Having just skimmed through the letter, it seems that whipping boys have been abolished?
When did that happen?

Next your'll be telling me you can't even shove 'em up a chimney any more :(
 
MWHCVT said:
With the culture of "nobody's a looser" it's actually developing a generation who see no value in being a winner..
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+1. Maybe "everyone's a winner" still OK at primary, but at some point it needs to evolve back to reality? Too many people just accept being on the dole, or call centre jobs as reality, or "winning" if you prefer.
 
MWHCVT said:
You not along there, I very much got that feeling too from reading that letter :( I'm all for encouraging youngsters but I also believe in setting targets...

With the culture of "nobody's a looser" it's actually developing a generation who see no value in being a winner..

Now obviously in real life there is always a winner and lots of loosers...
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Looks like we've developed a generation that can't spell as well:p Damn auto correct !
 
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daugirdas said:
+1. Maybe "everyone's a winner" still OK at primary, but at some point it needs to evolve back to reality? Too many people just accept being on the dole, or call centre jobs as reality, or "winning" if you prefer.
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What's wrong with a call centre job?
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
What's wrong with a call centre job?
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That's exactly the mentality I challenge. 'Nothing' if you like, but there are plenty more innovative roles that create better wealth both for the individual and the national economy. All R&D jobs for example.
 
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