Sam Allardyce...

Yep a few mill a year obviously a paupers wages....
 
Ok, he is on £3m a year so why chase 400k... but...

The Telegraph are an utter disgrace... why go to these lengths to entrap people. What purpose does this serve? This is not journalism. Also the FA are showing what spineless idiots they are. This has nothing to do with his ability to win tournaments. After so much crap I was finally looking forward to England doing well, sod that!
 
cambsno said:
Ok, he is on £3m a year so why chase 400k... but...

The Telegraph are an utter disgrace... why go to these lengths to entrap people. What purpose does this serve? This is not journalism. Also the FA are showing what spineless idiots they are. This has nothing to do with his ability to win tournaments. After so much crap I was finally looking forward to England doing well, sod that!
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but...what?

Surely amongst a certain number of people it may have been well known that Allardyce was a corrupt individual who obviously lacked any integrity?
 
Why is Sam there?? To help old ladies across the road? To be seen in church every Sunday? To be campaigning for world peace? No. He is there to win matches and ensure England do well at tournaments. As a football fan I couldn't care less about anything else. This has nothing to do with that, and while he may have been naive I don't think entrapment should be enough to hang him with. So who knows that he is 'corrupt'. The FA? The organisation run by people who by their own admission know nothing about football. They will be happy, they can go back to their yes man in charge.
 
Sam Allardyce was only ever a mediocre football manager and there was no assurance of any greater achievement than his predecessor. To accept the England job comes with a certain amount of 'scrutiny' I think that would be well understood.

Sadly, Sam evidently felt he'd jumped on the 'gravy train' and became greedy and thought he'd take whatever came his way.

It seems to me that this saga is symptomatic of many areas of British life at the moment. politicians, sports people, large companies, wealthy individuals, all feel that, given their wealth and influence, they are above the the laws and morals that govern the rest of the population.

I hope this example of one individuals 'hubris' being their undoing is an example to others that they might not get away with it... just my opinion of course.
 
I find it sad that people do not care if the manager of the team they support is openly corrupt (possibly).
 
nickEnackEnoo said:
I find it sad that people do not care if the manager of the team they support is openly corrupt (possibly).
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I'm struggling to see in what way he is corrupt.

Perhaps I'm missing something.

He did no more than advise that there are people who can help them with a legal issue, you know, like lawyers and accountants do.

He agreed to a 400k deal, as long as the FA cleared it.

What am I missing.
 
I thought he was a poor choice so am quite pleased he's gone. What a muppet - being slightly dodgy is generally expected as a football manager, but to get caught promoting the circumvention of your new employer's own rules is just staggeringly stupid.

I hope they go for Wenger now. Southgate already has the next 4 games so they may as well give him the job until the end of the season and then let the Prof have a crack at the most thankless job in football.
 
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simon ess said:
What am I missing.
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He works for the FA. He was telling them how to get around FA rules.

It would be like a serving HMRC inspector offering tax avoidance advice.
 
Cartus said:
Sadly, Sam evidently felt he'd jumped on the 'gravy train' and became greedy and thought he'd take whatever came his way.
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Which is probably why 'Arry "Triffic" Redknapp (and his incredibly wealthy dog) never got the job. I thought Allardyce had more sense but obviously not.
 
cambsno said:
Nothing wrong or illegal with tax avoidance.
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Indeed. But for an employee to be actively working against his/her employee's interests is clearly gross misconduct.
 
Dear dear.
He's the manager of a football team, and an exceptionally poor team at that.
It's hardly the end of the world.
Just appoint another overblown football windbag, and let the next string of disappointing performances commence.
 
Llamaman said:
Indeed. But for an employee to be actively working against his/her employee's interests is clearly gross misconduct.
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Not sure, HMRC did promote online submission a while back which reduced your tax bill (by £250 from memory).
 
cambsno said:
Not sure, HMRC did promote online submission a while back which reduced your tax bill (by £250 from memory).
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That's not even close to being a valid analogy. There are degrees of 'tax avoidance' ranging from those intended by Parliament (e.g. ISA) to those clearly (and even explicitly) not. What Allardyce was doing was trying to circumvent the spirit of his own employer's rules through legal agreements that had no commercial substance other than to frustrate the rules.

A valid analogy would be a serving HMRC officer secretly advising people how to avoid tax through creation of complex hybrid debt instruments and treaty arbitration for no commercial purpose other than to avoid tax. Whilst it is legal, and many accountants would provide such advice, for a HMRC officer to provide such a service - to act against the interest of his employer - is gross misconduct.

If Allardyce was an independent adviser, there would be no issue. But he wasn't. He was employed by the FA - and he's been caught on camera telling people how to pull a fast one over on his employer. You think this is OK?
 
Glad he has gone, first game was dire and dreaded the dross we were going to be served up.

Now get Klinsmann in and rebuild our game along with the national team, no more old dinosaurs thanks very much
 
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Glad he has gone, first game was dire and dreaded the dross we were goingn to be served up.

Now get Klinsmann in and rebuild our game along with the national team, no more old dinosaurs thanks very much
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To avoid disappointment, you should hold on to that dread.
 
Llamaman said:
That's not even close to being a valid analogy. There are degrees of 'tax avoidance' ranging from those intended by Parliament (e.g. ISA) to those clearly (and even explicitly) not. What Allardyce was doing was trying to circumvent the spirit of his own employer's rules through legal agreements that had no commercial substance other than to frustrate the rules.

A valid analogy would be a serving HMRC officer secretly advising people how to avoid tax through creation of complex hybrid debt instruments and treaty arbitration for no commercial purpose other than to avoid tax. Whilst it is legal, and many accountants would provide such advice, for a HMRC officer to provide such a service - to act against the interest of his employer - is gross misconduct.

If Allardyce was an independent adviser, there would be no issue. But he wasn't. He was employed by the FA - and he's been caught on camera telling people how to pull a fast one over on his employer. You think this is OK?
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He was saying there were ways round it and he could advise but he would have to check with his bosses first. So he hadn't actually done much wrong imo. Now we dont know if he really would have done that or told the whole truth to them but you can't be guilty of things that you haven't done yet
 
What has being corrupt and susceptible to a press sting got to do with being an England Manager? You are kidding, right?

I think it's disgusting! I hope it ruins him and his career, any career!

I watched a show on BBC last night called 'Ambulance'
It showed real life Ambulance controllers and paramedics all of whom work long and hard hours, all of whom show dedication to their work, all of whom care about their work, ALL OF WHOM GET PAID A PITTANCE!!

Immediately after the news came on with the story about Sam Allardyce and his greed!
Is a £3m contract not enough?
Is the dream job of managing your national team not enough?
Is the support and love of the fans and supporters not enough?

Clearly not!

So, when you say "what has this got to do with him winning England matches" then think again where your loyalties lie.
When you are given a dream job with a dream salary and dream conditions and that job is in the public eye then YES! his morals have EVERYTHING to do with winning matches!
The manager is someone the players should look up to, who should inspire them to do well for their country. Not someone who is prepared to do questionable back room deals and certainly not someone thick enough to fall into a Telegraph journalists trap!
Surely the poorest of people to choose for young players to look up to, to be inspired by?

Good riddance I say!
 
cambsno said:
He was saying there were ways round it and he could advise but he would have to check with his bosses first. So he hadn't actually done much wrong imo. Now we dont know if he really would have done that or told the whole truth to them but you can't be guilty of things that you haven't done yet
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So why did he not argue that with the FA instead of agreeing to leave?
I will tell you why, because he is guilty and would have pocketed a cool £400k.
He didn't do the deal because it was set up, there was no deal to be done. What part of that did you miss?
 
It seems to me for the controlling interests in sport it's as much about money as anything else. Football, olympics etc. all seem to have flawed ruling bodies.
 
J40ADF said:
I watched a show on BBC last night called 'Ambulance'
It showed real life Ambulance controllers and paramedics all of whom work long and hard hours, all of whom show dedication to their work, all of whom care about their work, ALL OF WHOM GET PAID A PITTANCE!!
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Absolutely nothing to do with the price of fish.
Your outrage will affect nothing but your blood pressure.

And I'm sorry, whilst they possibly deserve more, their salary isn't a pittance.
 
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viv1969 said:
Absolutely nothing to do with the price of fish.
Your outrage will affect nothing but your blood pressure.

And I'm sorry, whilst they possibly deserve more, their salary isn't a pittance.
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I was making a comparison between Sam Allardyce who the country can do without on a £3m contract but still want's to do a £400k dodgy deal
and a Paramedic who we couldn't do without (in fact we don't have enough of them)
That fake £400k deal would have paid for over 10 extra paramedics for a year.

You carry on with the belief that relatively (after all that's how I was referring to their salary) they don't earn a pittance.
I hope you don't need scraping off of a motorway anytime soon!
 
im not a football fan but what an utter disgrace and good on the newspapers for outing this thieving tramp !
 
Played one won one. Not too bad.
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Did you watch it?

If that's your idea of not too bad you are obviously easily pleased, first shot came in the 59th minute, it was dire
 
J40ADF said:
I was making a comparison between Sam Allardyce who the country can do without on a £3m contract but still want's to do a £400k dodgy deal
and a Paramedic who we couldn't do without (in fact we don't have enough of them)
That fake £400k deal would have paid for over 10 extra paramedics for a year.

You carry on with the belief that relatively (after all that's how I was referring to their salary) they don't earn a pittance.
I hope you don't need scraping off of a motorway anytime soon!
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Oh dear.
The poster child for knee jerk reactions.
 
J40ADF said:
I was making a comparison between Sam Allardyce who the country can do without on a £3m contract but still want's to do a £400k dodgy deal
and a Paramedic who we couldn't do without (in fact we don't have enough of them)
That fake £400k deal would have paid for over 10 extra paramedics for a year.

You carry on with the belief that relatively (after all that's how I was referring to their salary) they don't earn a pittance.
I hope you don't need scraping off of a motorway anytime soon!
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The FA don't employ many paramedics so I'm not seeing the relevance.
People are not paid according to the perceived merit of their line of work, so any comparisons are arbitrary and futile. One could argue that teachers are more important than paramedics and teachers, on average, earn less.
 
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