Sam Allardyce...

Plenty of home educated kids around.
 
He has done nothing wrong, always stated he would have to run it past his employer.

No different to a solicitor getting round the law, as long as they dont break it.

This is typical journalism, all thinking he has done something wrong without looking at facts and drawing ones own conclusion. Or a witch hunt if you will.

He has left by mutual consent, meaning his contract was settled at 3m/yr for 3yrs :) If i was in the right or the wrong, I would take the hit for 9m ;)

If he was wrong, he would have been sacked, but he wasnt, because well he wasnt.
 
andyscott said:
He has done nothing wrong, always stated he would have to run it past his employer.

No different to a solicitor getting round the law, as long as they dont break it.

This is typical journalism, all thinking he has done something wrong without looking at facts and drawing ones own conclusion. Or a witch hunt if you will.

He has left by mutual consent, meaning his contract was settled at 3m/yr for 3yrs :) If i was in the right or the wrong, I would take the hit for 9m ;)

If he was wrong, he would have been sacked, but he wasnt, because well he wasnt.
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I don't buy the comment that he has not done anything wrong.
He was given his dream job with a dream salary. If he has done nothing wrong then why 'leave by mutual consent' Surely if he has done nothing wrong he would have argued that with the FA and would still be doing the job now.
Let's look at what he has allegedly 'done wrong'
- Offered advice on how to circumvent the rules on player transfers
- Abused his position to negotiate a £400k personal deal
In addition;
- Critisised the former England manager
- Critisised the former Assistant
- Mocked his employers for their decision to re build Wembley
- Complained about the FA president (Prince William)
- Made un flattering remarks about Prince Harry
None of them wrong but given the position he held, not very professional.

All this from a man that the FA put in the limelight, an example and their public representative of English football.

So, I don't buy that he has not done anything wrong, because he clearly offered advice on how to break his own employers rules and he has attempted to line his already full pockets for his own personal gain.
He has also acted very un professionally for someone in the public eye.

I also think that 'by mutual consent' is code to save face by the FA as they don't want to come out as publicly sacking him.
 
Llamaman said:
The country would not grind to a complete halt without paramedics. No teachers and we'd be stuffed within a generation.
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But the without people working in oil refineries or petrol stations the teachers would not be able to get to work... my point is that most jobs are as important as each other. We talk about nurses, teachers, fireman all being important but without the tools to do their job they cant function.
 
I thought that it was worth giving him a go with England. Always struck me as a guy who didn't mince around an issue and would tell it as it was with the players.

But now he's gone, right or wrong. Next please for the poisoned chalice.
 
J40ADF said:
I don't buy the comment that he has not done anything wrong.
He was given his dream job with a dream salary. If he has done nothing wrong then why 'leave by mutual consent' Surely if he has done nothing wrong he would have argued that with the FA and would still be doing the job now.
Let's look at what he has allegedly 'done wrong'
- Offered advice on how to circumvent the rules on player transfers
- Abused his position to negotiate a £400k personal deal
In addition;
- Critisised the former England manager
- Critisised the former Assistant
- Mocked his employers for their decision to re build Wembley
- Complained about the FA president (Prince William)
- Made un flattering remarks about Prince Harry
None of them wrong but given the position he held, not very professional.

All this from a man that the FA put in the limelight, an example and their public representative of English football.

So, I don't buy that he has not done anything wrong, because he clearly offered advice on how to break his own employers rules and he has attempted to line his already full pockets for his own personal gain.
He has also acted very un professionally for someone in the public eye.

I also think that 'by mutual consent' is code to save face by the FA as they don't want to come out as publicly sacking him.
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All of those things were said as a private conversation, during which he was secretly filmed. I would bet anything, that other people have said exactly the same things but it has never come to light.
As Andrew correctly pointed out, Allardyce said that he would have to run everything past the FA before making a decision.
As for attempting to line his own pockets for personal gain, I don't know anyone who does not do that on a daily basis, that is how you pay the bills and maintain a certain lifestyle.
 
Ask yourself one question, would you want this man, knowing what you now know about him (even if he was secretly recorded) would you want him running and being the public face of your business.
My answer is NO!
The FA have done the right thing and parted ways with the crook!
 
J40ADF said:
Ask yourself one question, would you want this man, knowing what you now know about him (even if he was secretly recorded) would you want him running and being the public face of your business.
My answer is NO!
The FA have done the right thing and parted ways with the crook!
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Terry Venables?
Harry Redknapp?
Glenn Hoddle?
Jose Mourinho?
Sven Goren Ericson?
All the above have "questionable" character traits and/or shady backgrounds, and they didn't need entrapment to reveal their darker/foolish side.
You call hima "crook" - proof please;)
 
J40ADF said:
Ask yourself one question, would you want this man, knowing what you now know about him (even if he was secretly recorded) would you want him running and being the public face of your business.
My answer is NO!
The FA have done the right thing and parted ways with the crook!
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If he wins football matches then yes!!! Thats why he is employed!
 
cambsno said:
If he wins football matches then yes!!! Thats why he is employed!
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So by that sentiment would you be OK with Di Canio if he was successful?

Being England manager comes with rightly or wrongly some responsibility as an ambassador, can't be openly seen to be employing a potential crook
 
tijuana taxi said:
So by that sentiment would you be OK with Di Canio if he was successful?

Being England manager comes with rightly or wrongly some responsibility as an ambassador, can't be openly seen to be employing a potential crook
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Potential crook - what happened to being innocent until proven guilty?

Yes, I would have no problem with Di Canio - I guess you are highlighting his facist beliefs, I don't believe they were an issue when he played or managed.
 
andyscott said:
He has done nothing wrong, always stated he would have to run it past his employer.
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The permission was to be for representing the firm to investors and public speaking, not for consultancy advice to avoid FA rules.
Imagine how that conversation goes; "guys, I know you pay me £3m but I'd like to make a few extra quid advising people how to get around your rules. Is that OK? I assume you're fine with being a laughing stock if it ever gets out that your own employees are trying to avoid complying with your rules?".
Doesn't sound likely does it?

andyscott said:
No different to a solicitor getting round the law, as long as they dont break it.
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Actually very different. Solicitors are self-employed, so their duty of care is to their client.
An employee's duty of care is to their employer.
If you are both an employee of X but also doing self-employed work where your clients are competitors of X, there is a conflict of interest.

Allardyce cannot possibly work for the FA whilst also being paid to defeat and frustrate it.
To use your analogy, it would be like a solicitor representing both sides of a dispute (expressly forbidden by the Law Society), or the Attorney General / Director of the CPS secretly advising defendants how to avoid a conviction.


andyscott said:
If he was wrong, he would have been sacked
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Also not true. Employers will often agree to a settlement agreement to avoid a lengthy legal dispute (which can be costly, embarrassing and a distraction for management) and to secure a Non-Disclosure Agreeement to prevent embarrassing stories later.
The FA isn't short of cash so I can understand why they've taken the easy route.
 
cambsno said:
We talk about nurses, teachers, fireman all being important but without the tools to do their job they cant function.
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I agree. If you read my original post on this topic you'll see I was dismissing the notion that paramedics should be paid more than football managers because their job has more merit.
I mentioned teachers because theirs is an important job often overlooked in the list of 'important' jobs everyone thinks should be paid more. They already earn less than paramedics and firemen but I'd consider them no less important.
 
A very careful and totally planned 9 month wooing and lulling of a man into a false sense of security, then the 400k dangled along with some first class travel and stay overs in 5 star hotels, to give a few talks?

Then a silly set of statements that are possibly "The Way It Is" in uk football, maybe?

As a spectator only and from what I see revealed in the news, sport in general has a corrupt thread running through it. If there was little money in it it would be better for it. That however is not going to be the case and as such corruption will always follow the money, simple.

Money, Power, Sex - They are as old as the hills and few are immune to their empty promises.
 
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Scam Allardyce did not go the meeting to discuss a 442 system, he knew the reasons why the meeting was arranged and got caught with his trousers down, no sympathy here I am affraid.
 
A man who is reported to get £250,000 per month just in salary alone, (never mind all the other perks and extra earnings), risks it all for a bung equivalent to less than 2 months salary.

He is not stupid he is just THICK like many in Football ... rich but THICK

Tip of the iceberg for the "beautiful game" ......... the press are going to have a field day - FIFA - Messi - Neymar - I'm sure that there are many now with brown underpants

but the fans will forgive them
 
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BillN_33 said:
A man who is reported to get £250,000 per month just in salary alone, (never mind all the other perks and extra earnings), risks it all for a bung equivalent to less than 2 months salary.

He is not stupid he is just THICK like many in Football ... rich but THICK

Tip of the iceberg for the "beautiful game" ......... the press are going to have a field day - FIFA - Messi - Neymar - I'm sure that there are many now with brown underpants

but the fans will forgive them
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I think a bit of perspective is needed here.

No crime was committed.

Nobody was hurt.

Nobody except Sam is out of a job.

Unlike a recent situation, 10,000 people are not losing their jobs, and a greedy, RICH individual has not siphoned off their pension funds.
 
andy700 said:
I think a bit of perspective is needed here.

No crime was committed.

Nobody was hurt.

Nobody except Sam is out of a job.

Unlike a recent situation, 10,000 people are not losing their jobs, and a greedy, RICH individual has not siphoned off their pension funds.
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That is not what I am saying - not at all - I cannot understand how you could make your comparison from what I said - no comparison was made at all by me

I am saying that the guy is THICK and that the greed for money in the "beautiful game" is commonplace
 
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BillN_33 said:
A man who is reported to get £250,000 per month just in salary alone, (never mind all the other perks and extra earnings), risks it all for a bung equivalent to less than 2 months salary.

He is not stupid he is just THICK like many in Football ... rich but THICK

Tip of the iceberg for the "beautiful game" ......... the press are going to have a field day - FIFA - Messi - Neymar - I'm sure that there are many now with brown underpants

but the fans will forgive them
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I saw no "bung" operation.
 
BillN_33 said:
lets call it a "consideration" then if that is more accurate
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The "ambassadorial" fees?
Simple payment for services.
Greedy? Possibly, depending on personal opinion.
A bung? No.
 
BillN_33 said:
lets call it a "consideration" then if that is more accurate
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He did say that he would have to run the whole thing past the FA to see if they would OK it - not exactly the actions of someone who intended to commit a crime or breach of regulations.
 
andy700 said:
He did say that he would have to run the whole thing past the FA to see if they would OK it - not exactly the actions of someone who intended to commit a crime or breach of regulations.
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Even to have discussed a subject like that with (some) people he hardly knew, especially when money is mentioned, is THICK for a man in his position ....... it is not as though this type of entrapment is unknown

He was the England Football Manager, was he not aware of the FA Rules, or even how such meetings with an England Football Manager would be regarded
 
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BillN_33 said:
Even to have discussed a subject like that with (some) people he hardly knew, especially when money is mentioned, is THICK for a man in his position ....... it is not as though this type of entrapment is unknown

He was the England Football Manager, was he not aware of the FA Rules, or even how such meetings with an England Football Manager would be regarded
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Dammit, I agree!
Let's put him in stocks in Trafalgar Square and publicly flog him
Or...everyone could simply get a grip. :D
 
Yet Southgate picks Glen Johnson for the squad and the FA take no Acton!!!
 
andyscott said:
Every wendyballer is thick, and common, shouldn't give them money or power, thats where it all goes tits up.
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Really? And how do you come to that insightful conclusion?
 
The whole pro football industry/business is corrupt in one way or another, to greater - lesser degrees imo. The amount of money sloshing around is obscene.

Big Sam has been under suspicion before (with his son too, I believe) but nothing proved.

If he never worked again he wouldn't starve (unfortunately)
 
OldCarlos said:
The whole pro football industry/business is corrupt in one way or another, to greater - lesser degrees imo. The amount of money sloshing around is obscene.

Big Sam has been under suspicion before (with his son too, I believe) but nothing proved.

If he never worked again he wouldn't starve (unfortunately)
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Blimey, you have an enormous capacity for hating someone who has not affected you personally (I assume) or committed a crime of any sort.
 
Hate might be a bit strong, but greedy dishonest feckers wind me up! As far as not affecting me personally, the likes of him affect everyone. Where do their wages/bungs ultimately come from?
 
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