Romanian Rescue Dogs

[hashcake]

There was talk of them recognising labradoodles at on time, don't know if they ever did

Wouldn't surprise if they do eventually recognise the crossbred designer breeds in general.

 

[sphexx]

Most breeds have evolved by being bred for the right traits by people who spent years getting it right.
Unfortunately when certain shows started interpreting things to suit the judges many breed were led down a path

And most people, including some who should know better, are convinced that physical characteristics determine how a breed ’performs’ but while they may be important much of it is in the brain and sense organs .

 

[hashcake]

There’s been a push to get them recognised I believe, but it’s also been proven that the ‘allergy’ benefits of their coat is pretty much non-existent. A lovely dog like most, but a designer dog nonetheless with no proven benefits as far as I’m aware.

I just can't agree with the stupidity of it all.
Labradors can be manics when they are young, crossing that with a standard Poodle is madness in my opinion.
There are 2 of these, both sisters walked at our local park.
More perhaps the owners fault but I used to steer clear of them of because they would jump up at people.
I'm not familiar with Poodles but that is something young Labradors are known for doing.

 

[hashcake]

And most people, including some who should know better, are convinced that physical characteristics determine how a breed ’performs’ but while they may be important much of it is in the brain and sense organs .

The problem to a certain extent is also with some known breeds.
GDS's straight or slopped back has been an argument with breeders for years.

 

[sphexx]

Wouldn't surprise if they do eventually recognise the crossbred designer breeds in general.

I don’t think there’d necessarily be a problem with recognising first crosses, maybe even some benefits. But much KC breeding is done for showing and they, in effect, cull the unsuitable dogs by selling them as ‘pet quality’ .

I would prefer to see dogs bred as “companion” dogs (good temperament and so on) but I don’t see how that is achievable.

 

[Gremlin]

And most people, including some who should know better, are convinced that physical characteristics determine how a breed ’performs’ but while they may be important much of it is in the brain and sense organs .

Have you read DOGS by Raymond and Lorna Coppimger, really interesting on ?
Interesting and understandable theories on dog evolution, written in 2001

 

[hashcake]

I don’t think there’d necessarily be a problem with recognising first crosses, maybe even some benefits.

A lot of breeds would have evolved from crossing them.
I think the rise of designer crossbreeds has become so mainstream and it will carry on.
I look forward to seeing the first German Shepherd crossed with a Yorkshire Terrier

 

[sphexx]

A lot of breeds would have evolved from crossing them.
I think the rise of designer crossbreeds has become so mainstream and it will carry on.
I look forward to seeing the first German Shepherd crossed with a Yorkshire Terrier

I expect it’s already been done in the US, GSD x Terrier is fairly common I think:

German Shepherd Mix: 25 Popular And 6 Rare Breeds

Discover the German Shepherd mix breeds everyone is talking about, from the 25 most popular mixes, to 6 rare and unexpected GSD crosses.

thehappypuppysite.com

 

[Cobra]

I agree with you, the idea was that poodle don't shed so that would stop the allergies but did, and yes I think they are lovely to, if somewhat scatty, well those I've met are

One of my ex bosses had a Labradoodle TBH It was more doodle than Labra.
It looked just like a standard poodle, unless you knew what you were looking for, it was slightly heavier than a standard poodle, but about the same size.
Cream coat, and in some lights a slight pink hue to the coat.
It was a registered PAT dog, and often went around hospitals, hospice's etc.
Soft as you like and a lovely dog all round.

 

[sphexx]

the idea was that poodle don't shed so that would stop the allergies

If it is true (and I don’t know) I can‘t see why people wouldn’t just get poodles, given they are fairly common and 3 different sizes, and one would think any “non allergenic) property would be st than in an outcross .

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

It was a registered PAT dog, and often went around hospitals, hospice's etc. Soft as you like and a lovely dog all round.

We had a neighbour who also had a Labradoodle PAT dog. That one was soft as butter as well. We're more cat people (though there are plenty of dogs in the family, which is another story) but the Labradoodle came close to converting us!

 

[Gremlin]

If it is true (and I don’t know) I can‘t see why people wouldn’t just get poodles, given they are fairly common and 3 different sizes, and one would think any “non allergenic) property would be st than in an outcross .

Labradoodles were originally bred as assistance dogs for people with allergies, it got out of hand when everyone wanted one
bit like these other crosses.
I can see many reasons for all these stupidly named creatures not to be recognised by the KC
They are mainly just BYB dogs that people give made up names to make them sound legit with no consideration
given to the health problems of the various dogs used to produce them !!

I suppose at least the romanian rescues aren't claiming to be some obscure breed

 

[Cobra]

They are mainly just BYB dogs that people give made up names to make them sound legit

And to add a ridiculous sale price to them

 

[hashcake]

I expect it’s already been done in the US, GSD x Terrier is fairly common I think:

German Shepherd Mix: 25 Popular And 6 Rare Breeds

Discover the German Shepherd mix breeds everyone is talking about, from the 25 most popular mixes, to 6 rare and unexpected GSD crosses.

thehappypuppysite.com

Gawd, can anything surprise me in this day and age

 

[hashcake]

One of my ex bosses had a Labradoodle TBH It was more doodle than Labra.
Soft as you like and a lovely dog all round.

The 2 I know about both look like standard Poodles but they both act more like a Labrador.
Given it can take 2 years for a Labrador to mature imho that's asking for trouble cross breeding.
Both of them are very tall, bouncy and jumping up at people and they once nearly knocked an elderly friend over.
Both owners are complete clueless idiots and most dog owners in the park have asked them to take control of their dogs.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Labradors as most owners have a clue but again I've met people who have never owned a dog and they
buy a Labrador puppy.

 

[hashcake]

And to add a ridiculous sale price to them

That made me almost laugh and fall to the floor when I've heard how much they paid for them.

 

[hashcake]

Labradoodles were originally bred as assistance dogs for people with allergies, it got out of hand when everyone wanted one
bit like these other crosses.

Surely the crossbred Labradors / Golden Retreivers that are used for helping blind people would be more ideal as assistance dogs?
I don't subscribe to the idea in trying to create a crossbreed that doesn't shed hair, If people want that then buy a poodle.
That is the argument I've heard from both the owners I've mentioned above.
However, I do feel that most people into dogs know about dogs moulting and are prepared to deal with it.
Then of course there is the allergy argument but again if that's the case just buy Poodle.

 

[hashcake]

And to add a ridiculous sale price to them

Have you read DOGS by Raymond and Lorna Coppimger, really interesting on ?
Interesting and understandable theories on dog evolution, written in 2001

I'd never heard of that one and it's availabe on kindle.
I think the book was updated in 2017 based on what amazon says.
I'm a fan of Dr Roger Mugford and read some his books.

 

[sphexx]

Have you read DOGS by Raymond and Lorna Coppimger, really interesting on ?
Interesting and understandable theories on dog evolution, written in 2001

I havent read their book but know about their work and think it’s very useful. Their view is that people did not domesticate dogs but rather some wolves domesticated themselves. I’ve always tended to the view that dogs domesticated people (not entirely joking) which isn’t a million miles away from their ideas ;(.

I’m not sure they take account of the hunting aspect of early (and present day) dogs though.

Lately, I think the geneticists are coming to the view that the dog ancestor is not the current Grey/Gray Wolf but an extinct, and so far unknown, Wolf — unknown except that dogs would be that unknown Wolf of course .

 

[THIRTYFIVEMILL]

I don't get the problem with the term "animal lover". Either you love animals or you don't. If you do, you take your dogs from the RSPCA or a shelter for the most part. What you don't do is order "designer pups". If you operate in the latter sphere you love yourself, not dogs.

 

[hashcake]

I don't get the problem with the term "animal lover". Either you love animals or you don't. If you do, you take your dogs from the RSPCA or a shelter for the most part. What you don't do is order "designer pups". If you operate in the latter sphere you love yourself, not dogs.

There was a time I would have only bought a pedigree dog.
When I lost my GSD at the time I wasn't interested in getter another dog.
Back then the daughters of an ex wanted a dog so we got one from the local rescue.
He was a Staff / Border Collie cross and he was an exceptional dog.
My girl who is a Cocker Spaniel / Labrador cross came from a rescue in 2008.
In both cases I soon realised that giving a dog a life from a rescue is far more rewarding.

I think all that designer b******* was started by Paris Hilton so that just shows how society has progressed

 

[Gremlin]

I havent read their book but know about their work and think it’s very useful. Their view is that people did not domesticate dogs but rather some wolves domesticated themselves. I’ve always tended to the view that dogs domesticated people (not entirely joking) which isn’t a million miles away from their ideas ;(.

I’m not sure they take account of the hunting aspect of early (and present day) dogs though.

Lately, I think the geneticists are coming to the view that the dog ancestor is not the current Grey/Gray Wolf but an extinct, and so far unknown, Wolf — unknown except that dogs would be that unknown Wolf of course .

Back when I first read it it was a totally new understanding, now it seems others agree with the findings.,
including nature versus nurture of various breeds that have been selectively bred to do a job, such as collies
I was half watching something on TV yesterday were they stated that all dogs share 98% of there DNA with wolves,
selective breeding for the traits we want has bought about the various breeds
I have the book, someone gave it to me many years ago, can send it to you if you're interested in reading it

 

[sphexx]

I was half watching something on TV yesterday were they stated that all dogs share 98% of there DNA with wolves

I think it’s 98.8% humans and chimps so that figure probably doesn't help :j(.

 

[Cobra]

Given it can take 2 years for a Labrador to mature imho that's asking for trouble cross breeding.

2 years sounds about right, for most dogs, some take even longer.

I think it’s 98.8% humans and chimps so that figure probably doesn't help :j(.

Humans share 60% DNA with banana's
I thought huh? then I read a few posts on facebook

 

[Gremlin]

Humans share 60% DNA with banana's
I thought huh? then I read a few posts on facebook

Sounds about right for many humans

 

[hashcake]

2 years sounds about right, for most dogs, some take even longer.

Back when I had my GSD there were 2 trains of fault, some said they reach full maturity at 18 months and some said 2 years.
Over the years I've heard some people say some breeds don't fully mature until they are 4 years old.

 

[Cobra]

Back when I had my GSD there were 2 trains of fault, some said they reach full maturity at 18 months and some said 2 years.
Over the years I've heard some people say some breeds don't fully mature until they are 4 years old.

My GSP was around 3 years old before she fully twigged what she was supposed to be doing ( HPR)

I had a GSD rescue. Very badly treated, and very few manners She was supposed to have been 3 years old, but I'd put her nearer 5 .
It only took about 6 months of ownership, until she was fully trained.
You can teach an old dog new tricks

 

[hashcake]

I think it’s 98.8% humans and chimps so that figure probably doesn't help :j(.

I have believed this for quite a long time.
I recently watched both series of spy in the wild and when I saw an Orangutan using a wood saw it just reafirrmed it with me.
I know there is the missing linke with Darwins theory but every thing he said just makes logical sense to me.

 

[hashcake]

My GSP was around 3 years old before she fully twigged what she was supposed to be doing ( HPR)

I had a GSD rescue. Very badly treated, and very few manners She was supposed to have been 3 years old, but I'd put her nearer 5 .
It only took about 6 months of ownership, until she was fully trained.
You can teach an old dog new tricks

Mine was quite thick as a pup but thankfully treat based rewards work well and eventually she was so easy to train.
My current girl I got her when she was 2, as it had been a long time since I had trained a dog I went for training lessons as a refresher.
Again, another dog motivated by food and she quickly learned as well.
My preference is bitches and I've always found them greedier than dogs.

 

[sphexx]

I know there is the missing linke with Darwins theory

Nobody thinks there is a “missing link” these days, it’s an out of date concept. .

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

Nobody thinks there is a “missing link” these days, it’s an out of date concept. .

I think it lost favour because it was applied incorrectly. The term was originally applied to an absent phenotype that evolutionists believed should exist. It was degraded by popular missuse whereby it was applied to any evidence showing a relationship between ancient and modern phenotypes in an evolutionary branch.

With the rapid advances in genetic mapping it's more rewarding to plot the relationships between extant genotypes, rather than search for the remains of phenotypes which may or may not have existed.

 

[THIRTYFIVEMILL]

There was a time I would have only bought a pedigree dog.
When I lost my GSD at the time I wasn't interested in getter another dog.
Back then the daughters of an ex wanted a dog so we got one from the local rescue.
He was a Staff / Border Collie cross and he was an exceptional dog.
My girl who is a Cocker Spaniel / Labrador cross came from a rescue in 2008.
In both cases I soon realised that giving a dog a life from a rescue is far more rewarding.

I think all that designer b******* was started by Paris Hilton so that just shows how society has progressed

Spot on Darran!

PS. Hope my initial post didn't sound harsh or critical of anyone in the thread. It wasn't meant to be but I was tired last night and didn't really re-read it and reading it now it could have sounded a bit critical.

 

[Gremlin]

Again, another dog motivated by food and she quickly learned as well.
My preference is bitches and I've always found them greedier than dogs.

That's ok if you have a food motivated dog, I personally have never trained using treats, mine
always got praise for doing things, works fine and you don't have a dog glued to watching your hands
for food all the time and you never run out of love and affection
I bond far easier with dogs then bitches, find them much easier, and if you plan to have more then one
dog, more forgiving of the little disputes that occasionally happen. I had 4 males together with no serious fights,

 

[sphexx]

And then there are the Turkish street dogs:

'What appointments did these dogs have to keep?': long lunches and brief liaisons in a radical new dogumentary

To mark National Puppy Day, Elizabeth Lo’s acclaimed film Stray gives humans rare insight into the canine gaze, courtesy of homeless mutts in Istanbul

www.theguardian.com

View: https://youtu.be/u8iiIbVYPYI

 

[sphexx]

I think it lost favour because it was applied incorrectly. The term was originally applied to an absent phenotype that evolutionists believed should exist. It was degraded by popular missuse whereby it was applied to any evidence showing a relationship between ancient and modern phenotypes in an evolutionary branch.

With the rapid advances in genetic mapping it's more rewarding to plot the relationships between extant genotypes, rather than search for the remains of phenotypes which may or may not have existed.

There’s a certain irony in the disapproval of cross-bred dogs by specimens of H sapiens in this thread given that we now know we are rather more extreme cross-breeds ourselves

 

[Gremlin]

There’s a certain irony in the disapproval of cross-bred dogs by specimens of H sapiens in this thread given that we now know we are rather more extreme cross-breeds ourselves

Not really disapproval of crosses/mongrels, in my childhood days all our dogs were street accidents,
people let their dogs roam and as I have said before, gave pups away and those that didn't have homes were
"got rid of" by the owners.
One of my last dogs when my kids were small was one of such, local village policeman's collie bitch got out
and was seen tied with several local male dogs, pups looked different.
Difference being, they were an accident, the only litter she had and sold cheaply to people

My dislike of the latest fad is the fact that they are churned out, disregarding any welfare for pups of mum
and sold at vast prices to make money, as far as I know, no one is cross breeding homo sapiens to sell for profit

 

[hashcake]

And then there are the Turkish street dogs:

Now this is interesting.
I went to Turkey for the first time in 2018 and we stayed at Hisaronu.
Firstly we meet a British ex pat and he and others were involved with feeding stray cats.
When we discovered there were quite a few street dogs, we noticed lot of shops put water out and some also put food out as well.
We were told that some businesses had a puppy just to entice customers in but apparently the government clamped down on this although the following year we saw a young pup tied up outside a shop.
We were also told that the government round up the dogs, have them spayed / neutered then release again.
Every stray dog we encountered seemed to be in good heath and well fed so I don't think we were fed a packet of lies.
We even bought a bag of dog food (before we knew about the above) and put some out in the evenings and every day we checked it had hardly been eaten.

 

[hashcake]

That's ok if you have a food motivated dog, I personally have never trained using treats, mine
always got praise for doing things, works fine and you don't have a dog glued to watching your hands
for food.

I only used it so the dogs would get use to my hand signals, once that was achieved I rarely rewarded them.
Everyone has a different view on training a dog and apart from idiots using such things as choke chains, every safe method is fine.

 

[hashcake]

Not really disapproval of crosses/mongrels, in my childhood days all our dogs were street accidents,
people let their dogs roam and as I have said before, gave pups away and those that didn't have homes were
"got rid of" by the owners.
One of my last dogs when my kids were small was one of such, local village policeman's collie bitch got out
and was seen tied with several local male dogs, pups looked different.

My brother and sister are quite a few years older than me and I remember them and my mum talking about street dogs in the UK.
I don't remember seeing many as a kid but I do remember a few.

My dislike of the latest fad is the fact that they are churned out, disregarding any welfare for pups of mum
and sold at vast prices to make money, as far as I know, no one is cross breeding homo sapiens to sell for profit

I totally agree with you but sadly I can't see things changing.

 

[sphexx]

apart from idiots using such things as choke chains, every safe method is fine.

I suspect the mis-named choke chains (should be check chain) work well used the “Barbara Woodhouse” way, though from what I remember of her TV programmes she was mostly training owners not dogs.