Repeat nonces

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Gary Coyle said:
Arent there some modern countries with different ages of consent to ours, Italy and Germany it is 14 so do we accuse all men who have consenting sex in Italy and Germany with 14 year olds Paedophiles, Spain is currently 13 as is Japan and Angola is just 12.
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Ian Watkins was a little different to this don't you think to the school teacher who eloped with the 15yr old. Ian Watkins I would personally shoot, the teacher, I would not nor wish that to happen to him.
 
Gary Coyle said:
Arent there some modern countries with different ages of consent to ours, Italy and Germany it is 14 so do we accuse all men who have consenting sex in Italy and Germany with 14 year olds Paedophiles, Spain is currently 13 as is Japan and Angola is just 12.
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Currently 16 in Spain changed from 13 last year I believe and it seems the situation in Japan is a bit more complicated it would see as although national criminal law says 13 in practice local laws say 18.

All information from a quick google as it struck me the figures you gave were incorrect.
 
Bernie174 said:
I've not mentioned it as a defence. What I said was they justify it, to themselves usually as an act of Love. In the past that same thing was used by Gays, and dismissed by society. Its not always rape, its often indecency, which isn't the same thing. But while I see your point, you are missing mine, in their mind, not in their evidence, it's an act of love.
Now, I don't agree with that, but go back a few years and it was equally wrong for one man to commit an unnatural act with another man. But the justification was the same.
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Wrong in the eyes of the law and narrow minded people, but you are talking of consenting adults, not innocent babies and young children, which is a point that
you seem to be missing.

 
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At what age do we draw the boundry between underage sex and Paedophilia????

Im wondering if Paedophilia is a term used to describe the MO and intent the "attacker" rather than used to describe sex with anyone under 16

EDIT: a quick google seems to regularly refer to under 13
 
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ST4 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-29645080

Disgusting. Nonce should be killed
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I consider myself to be fair minded and pro-prison for even the worst offenders.... NOT SO, however, for this sub-human piece of filth. I would make him consume his own body a piece at a time for as long as possible.

Never thought I would feel the level of repugnance and anger I do for this guy. I know why, however, children are so very precious and the most joyous thing in my life has been my children and grand children......
 
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ST4 said:
I would personally shoot, the teacher,.
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effective use of punctuation the difference between "helping your uncle, Jack, off a horse", and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"
 
simon ess said:
I'm glad this has been picked up. I was speechless.
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you can see what he's leading up to though - if we accept that homosexuality is a matter of biology , then why not accept that paedophillia is also a matter of biology.

and if we say that its because paedophillia isnt socially acceptable then he'l point out that homosexuality wasnt social aceptable for many years either (Alan Turing etc)

For me the difference is that Children can't consent , so all paedophile sex is rape. I'm willing to accept that being a paedophile is a matter of biology, but as i said earlier despite being firmly hetereosexual I don't rape every woman i find attractive. Therefore if they can't help being attracted to kids fair enough , but have some self control you sick bastards.

And actually that adds to the argument for abullet in the head for repeat offenders - if its matter of biology they can't be "cured" anymore than I could be "cured" of being attracted to adult women, and that being the case if they've demonstrated they can't control their urges then theres only life in jail or a bullet in the head if we want to keep children safe from them
 
I agree with all of that, totally, apart from the bullet in the head bit.

The child sex offenders I worked with had no control over their urges. I'm betting that there are rather more people with the same urges who are able to control them.

And that could be your neighbour, the nice man at the grocer's, or your relative.

The issue is consent.

It's very complicated. What is simple for me is, abuse children - go to a secure unit for life.

I do think jail is not the answer. Set up a specialist unit and study them to try to find an answer.

The answer might be there is no answer. But just get them off the streets.
 
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but secure units are very expensive - bullets are cheap.

Also "abuse children and go to a nice cosy unit where you can hang about playing computer games (and looking at porn when the guards arent looking) with the other in mates" , isn't quite the same deterent as "abuse children and take a 9mm frangie behind the left ear you sick f***"
 
but we already know they are sick bastards who want to rape children , knowing why isnt going to do us much good (especially if the answer is "because they were born like that"

mind you my real problem with "secure detention for life" is that while they are still alive theres always the chance that some silly b****r will release them
 
simon ess said:
We'll have to agree to disagree on the 9mm bit.
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I'm easy on the calibre, we canuse a .338 magnum fired from a deer rifle if you prefer ;)
 
It is interesting though.

I'm sexually attracted to curvy women yet, as you said earlier, I don't thrust my lusts upon random curvy women.

My best mate is gay but he doesn't try to drag random men off the street for sexual pleasure.

My opinion is that most people attracted to pre-pubescent children don't try to groom them or rape them.

It's those with no control who are the problem.

What causes that lack of control?
 
the fact that they are sick bastards and we're not ? - its the same with rapists (leaving aside all the b*****ks about "oh i was drunk , i didnt mean it, she consented, she was gagging for it, she wanted it really and blah ) most of us don't force people to have sex with us - some do , basically because they are missing the thing that stops the rest of us from doing it. (whether thats nature or nuture is an unsolveable debate) ... but basically they have narcisticic or sociopathic tendencies

its also not much different to theft or murder or anything else - what stops you or I from killing someone who angers us , or from stealing a camera because we want one but don't have the cash to get one honestly , or from trafficking drugs, or becoming as pimp or whatever. End of the day its always about self control / concience if you are well adjusted and see other people as people and have empathy for their feelings then you don't abuse them

If your basically a sociopath and see other people as things put there for your pleasure/ammusment/to serve you then theres nothing stopping you abusing them (except for maybe the fear of getting caught)
 
I think we're on the same page.

It's not about preference, it's about self control and social adjustment.
 
yeah we are in complete agreement , except that you want to study them and I want to use them for target practice.
 
I wonder which one of us might learn something. ;)

Seeing as we largely agree, well apart from the final solution, I think it best to leave it there.

Interesting discussion though. Cheers.
 
simon ess said:
I agree with all of that, totally, apart from the bullet in the head bit.

The child sex offenders I worked with had no control over their urges. I'm betting that there are rather more people with the same urges who are able to control them.

And that could be your neighbour, the nice man at the grocer's, or your relative.

The issue is consent.

It's very complicated. What is simple for me is, abuse children - go to a secure unit for life.

I do think jail is not the answer. Set up a specialist unit and study them to try to find an answer.

The answer might be there is no answer. But just get them off the streets.
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Halebloodylulliah, common sense prevails.
 
Snooky said:
Liking the sausage or not is a choice!!! How can it not be? How would that be down to biology?
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Day off school today? :rolleyes:
 
Snooky said:
Liking the sausage or not is a choice!!! How can it not be? How would that be down to biology?
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How to win friends and influence people....

ST4 said:
Why would you want to study depravity. Just shoot the bastards
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Because by studying the why's and how's of that 'depravity' you might just get some answers about how to limit/control/distinguish it to make future generations safer. As Simon said, there may be no answers, but you sure as hell aren't going to find any unless you ask in the first place.
 
ST4 said:
Is that the level of your social skills?
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From the man who wishes to shoot drug addicts in the face? Hmmmm :thinking:
 
Snooky said:
Yes it is actually! ;)

Everyone has their own opinion on punishment! This thread is just going to go on and on.
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Quite possibly. It's OOF. You'll get used to it. :-)
 
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