Reasons to vote UKIP

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jakeblu said:
I've plenty of respect for our armed forces and the role they play throughout the world to protect our interest and my son did two tours of Afghanistan but I still believe the Falklands should be an independent state, those who wish to remain British are welcome to come and live here.
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I'd suggest you'd never been there, never seen their fierce determination about their nationality. Why would anyone want to leave their home?

Oh and they are British citizens, so it's not they are welcome, they have the same rights you have.
 
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BRASH said:
Get a grip. They want to live there and will continue to because it is their sovereign right to do so and long may that last. Shudder the thought we should ever roll over to the likes of Argentina.
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Perhaps you ought to get a grip, where in my post did I say mention Argentina
 
jakeblu said:
Perhaps you ought to get a grip, where in my post did I say mention Argentina
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I never said you did but I did because that's who think the have a right to the Falklands but they don't and hopefully never will.
 
jakeblu said:
Perhaps you ought to get a grip, where in my post did I say mention Argentina
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You didn't mention the country by name but who on earth else would you mean ? Do you think another country is going to invade the Falklands ?
 
Steve Smith said:
Or just abandon the Falkland Islands and give them back to their rightful owner. Much cheaper.


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The rightful owners are the people that live there. They had the option of independence and rejected it, overwhelmingly.

Just like Scotland, should they vote to leave in future I would be sorry to see them go but would respect the decision.
 
Byker28i said:
So your views are based on jealousy?
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h14nha said:
The top 1% may be paying more now, but they're still extremely rich. Some people own a thousand houses, whilst others cannot afford one. I wish people would go squat in the empty Russian/Chinese houses in London, why should people sleep in doorways whilst foreigners price UK residents out of our own homes
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If you think sleeping in a doorway is ok, whilst people have hundreds if not thousands of homes, then shame on you. If you got out of your Ferrari in front of me and dropped two £50 notes on the floor, I'm the guy who would call you back. Money doesn't impress me, I have enough money to pay all my bills, feed my family and keep them warm. Thats all I need.
And how do you know I'm not one of the top 1% ? ? ?
 
jakeblu said:
Did they bankrupt the rest of the world too. This LSE Report seemed to think that for the best part the Labours years in power were an economic success. BTW Boom and Bust was Browns slogan and I'm assuming the misspelt name for Blair wasn't a typo. Very droll, never heard that one before.
And just who was Gordon Browns boss ? One Tony Bliar of course. On their watch house prices ( home ownership was the one tory policy most labour party voters agreed with ) went from being affordable, to unaffordable to low income families. Bliar on the other hand, managed to buy a few flats in Bristol and then Manchester.

The Labour party are the Tory party of the 50/60s, before Maggie and Keith Joseph got their hands on it, the Tories are currently swinging so far right they'll probably never gain a majority again. Suits me. UKIP will not hold the balance of power come the next election, they'll be lucky to have any MP's although Nige might have a shout.
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As Carswell and Reckless both recently fought by-elections they will almost certainly have 2 at least. With such a close call election, 2 MP's maybe all it needs to flex the UKIP muscle
 
h14nha said:
As Carswell and Reckless both recently fought by-elections they will almost certainly have 2 at least. With such a close call election, 2 MP's maybe all it needs to flex the UKIP muscle
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They're not certain to hold their seats in the general election
 
BRASH said:
I never said you did but I did because that's who think the have a right to the Falklands but they don't and hopefully never will.
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Blank_Canvas said:
You didn't mention the country by name but who on earth else would you mean ? Do you think another country is going to invade the Falklands ?
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You missed the 'independent state' part of my post then?
 
h14nha said:
If you think sleeping in a doorway is ok, whilst people have hundreds if not thousands of homes, then shame on you. If you got out of your Ferrari in front of me and dropped two £50 notes on the floor, I'm the guy who would call you back. Money doesn't impress me, I have enough money to pay all my bills, feed my family and keep them warm. Thats all I need.
And how do you know I'm not one of the top 1% ? ? ?
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Reading your posts, it comes across like you really do have an issue with money.

Regardless of what other people have or have not. Nobody has a need to sleep in doorways. Blaming others for choices that people make is a very lazy way of looking at things.

The funny thing is, say you are part of that top 25%, so you are good and everyone else is bad then. Hmm nice. Bet the view is wonderful up on that horse. How many hands is it?
 
jakeblu said:
You missed the 'independent state' part of my post then?
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No I didnt and know exactly what you meant by it.

The residents there have clearly indicated their wishes. It's called democracy. A popular doctrine.
 
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h14nha said:
If you think sleeping in a doorway is ok, whilst people have hundreds if not thousands of homes, then shame on you. If you got out of your Ferrari in front of me and dropped two £50 notes on the floor, I'm the guy who would call you back. Money doesn't impress me, I have enough money to pay all my bills, feed my family and keep them warm. Thats all I need.
And how do you know I'm not one of the top 1% ? ? ?
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Lol, you know nothing about me then, picking on the wrong person about working and helping with homelessness
 
jakeblu said:
You missed the 'independent state' part of my post then?
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You've got more chance of watching the unicorns leaping down by the river under the rainbow than that ever happening !

The Falkland Islanders have already voted and as long as their wishes remain. The Falklands will remain a sovereign interest.
 
jakeblu said:
I've plenty of respect for our armed forces and the role they play throughout the world to protect our interest and my son did two tours of Afghanistan but I still believe the Falklands should be an independent state, those who wish to remain British are welcome to come and live here.
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No. The people there wish to remain living there as they'd have moved here by now bit they also wish to remain British whilst living in their homes.

It's like saying NI should be handed to the Irish or Gib to the Spanish because Ireland, Spain huff and puff a lot.
 
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dejongj said:
Reading your posts, it comes across like you really do have an issue with money.

Regardless of what other people have or have not. Nobody has a need to sleep in doorways. Blaming others for choices that people make is a very lazy way of looking at things.

The funny thing is, say you are part of that top 25%, so you are good and everyone else is bad then. Hmm nice. Bet the view is wonderful up on that horse. How many hands is it?
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I don't have an issue with money, I have an issue with greed. I didn't say where I am in societies 'pecking order'. You made an assumption based on guesswork.
 
Byker28i said:
Lol, you know nothing about me then, picking on the wrong person about working and helping with homelessness
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And you know nothing about me either. I'm, picking on no one, you quoted me and called me jealous.
 
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h14nha said:
And you know nothing about me either. I'm, picking on no one, you quoted me and called me jealous.
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Questioned, not called.
and I'm not the only one to notice...
dejongj said:
Reading your posts, it comes across like you really do have an issue with money.
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So lets talk homeless, since effectively we are discussing morals. Do you do anything to help the homeless, actually physically do anything? Ever buy a big issue, work with any of the homeless charities, even buy a coffee. You see many people have these high moral views but just become indignant on a forum, type something on the internet like it's actually going to change anything. I'm a firm believer in direct action.

I've also no issue with people having money and the link between them and a homeless person is tenuous at best. They wouldn't have had anything to do with that person ending up homeless. Homelessness has so many reasons, and it's actually easy to become homeless. It's a real thin line, but in my experience has never had any direct link to a very rich person. Usually it's personal issues combined with a situation.

And for those rich people, what's the problem with people earning money? Most will be employers providing jobs for people and hence providing a living. Too many times you hear the way out of a deprived areas issues is to provide jobs for the population.

An then there's what you do with that money. I give you examples like Bill Gates, Chuck Feeney, Yu Pengnian, in fact why not go and read about the Giving Pledge: http://givingpledge.org/
 
Byker28i said:
And for those rich people, what's the problem with people earning money? Most will be employers providing jobs for people and hence providing a living. Too many times you hear the way out of a deprived areas issues is to provide jobs for the population.
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I'm not so keen on the 'providing' definition, some might argue that its the workers that 'provide' the wealth for employers, personally I take a middle view, one doesn't exist without the other, its a shame they don't have equal contribution and the rewards aren't more fairly distributed.
 
ST4 said:
Countries without Nukes are weak and helpless. Why would we want to make ourselves that?
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are they? Germany for example? or Turkey, Brazil and the list is endless. Noe seem either weak or helpless to me
 
jakeblu said:
I'm not so keen on the 'providing' definition, some might argue that its the workers that 'provide' the wealth for employers, personally I take a middle view, one doesn't exist without the other, its a shame they don't have equal contribution and the rewards aren't more fairly distributed.
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But they don't all take the same risks, have the same responsibility? I've no problem with the majority of people making money, so long as it's taxed correctly, as generally these are the people creating employment.
 
Byker28i said:
But they don't all take the same risks, have the same responsibility? I've no problem with the majority of people making money, so long as it's taxed correctly, as generally these are the people creating employment.
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An interesting point and one that could be much debated. I may suggest that the people creating the most employment are the masses of working and middle class that keep the economic wheels turning by performing most of the work and the buying most of the goods and services.

Also regarding 'taxed correctly', it is a difficult pill to swallow knowing that the wealthiest section in our country have a lot more influence on government policy in regards to tax than those that pay tax through PAYE.

The whole non-domicile get out clause is a tactic that is almost without exception only available to the very wealthy. Take Lord Rothermere, personal fortune approaching a billion pounds, close friend of Cameron, has non-dom status, meaning he pays little or no tax in the UK, yet his paper is one of the most vehement mouthpieces ranting about 'foreigners' coming to this country and using our services while paying no tax and the poor of this country being nothing more than scroungers. The hypocrisy is immense. Even worse, an investigation by HMRC into Lord Rothermere's non-dom status was blocked by Dave Hartnett (another friend of the super-rich) and HMRC deputy chairman...

Even worse, Lord Ashcroft is a non-dom, despite being a member of the house of Lords and major donor, ex-treasurer and ex-deputy chairman of the Conservative party.
 
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Rapscallion said:
I may suggest that the people creating the most employment are the masses of working and middle class that keep the economic wheels turning by performing most of the work and the buying most of the goods and services.
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Most white goods, electrical goods are imported. Most car manufactures are foreign owned. We aren't really a nation that manufactures any more. Apart from my weekly household shopping and fuel I don't buy much else, so Sorry I don't think I'm doing my bit there then :)
 
Byker28i said:
Most white goods, electrical goods are imported. Most car manufactures are foreign owned. We aren't really a nation that manufactures any more. Apart from my weekly household shopping and fuel I don't buy much else, so Sorry I don't think I'm doing my bit there then :)
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The fact that car manufacturers are foreign owned doesn't change the fact that there are employees there adding to the economy and spending their earnings. And I'm sure if you choose to look a beyond the tangible purchases you bring into your house, you will identify a lot employment that is relatively 'invisible' but important to the national economy. If you don't, then you are not a typical person in regards to consuming goods and being part of the consumer economy.
 
Byker28i said:
Questioned, not called.
and I'm not the only one to notice...


So lets talk homeless, since effectively we are discussing morals. Do you do anything to help the homeless, actually physically do anything? Ever buy a big issue, work with any of the homeless charities, even buy a coffee. You see many people have these high moral views but just become indignant on a forum, type something on the internet like it's actually going to change anything. I'm a firm believer in direct action.

I've also no issue with people having money and the link between them and a homeless person is tenuous at best. They wouldn't have had anything to do with that person ending up homeless. Homelessness has so many reasons, and it's actually easy to become homeless. It's a real thin line, but in my experience has never had any direct link to a very rich person. Usually it's personal issues combined with a situation.

And for those rich people, what's the problem with people earning money? Most will be employers providing jobs for people and hence providing a living. Too many times you hear the way out of a deprived areas issues is to provide jobs for the population.

An then there's what you do with that money. I give you examples like Bill Gates, Chuck Feeney, Yu Pengnian, in fact why not go and read about the Giving Pledge: http://givingpledge.org/
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Yes I do, you won't see me willy waving about it though, nor lashing out at "the rich". There is no need for anyone to get on their high horse.
 
h14nha said:
I don't have an issue with money, I have an issue with greed. I didn't say where I am in societies 'pecking order'. You made an assumption based on guesswork.
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I didn't make any assumption???? Best read it again.
 
I see Putin admitted he was getting ready to deploy nuclear weapons in Ukraine/Crimea.
I somehow doubt he'd have done that if there was a direct threat of them being returned.

Nuclear deterrent.
 
Anyone just watch that cannel 4 prog, Britain's Defence Squeeze?

We'd have next to no chance of defending & securing our own country, never mind being a `World Player'
 
OldCarlos said:
Anyone just watch that cannel 4 prog, Britain's Defence Squeeze?

We'd have next to no chance of defending & securing our own country, never mind being a `World Player'
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Yes nothing particularly new, all of this has been reported on before. A sad indictment nevertheless.
 
I think with it being a 30min programme, it condensed of brought home how sad....& potentially serious, the situation is. Great Britain is becoming a joke. :(

Our Son is a CPO in the RN & he's been saying for years how poor the ships, equipment and morale is.
 
ST4 said:
We are there rightful owner. Like we are the rightful owner of Gibraltar and people in these places wish to remain part of Britain.
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So 'Spanish' people who live in Gibraltar have a perfect right to be considered British just because they want to be.

I can't help thinking this is contrary to similar posts of yours about foreigners wanting to be British. :thinking:

It takes some understanding does this.
 
Phil V said:
So 'Spanish' people who live in Gibraltar have a perfect right to be considered British just because they want to be.
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Depends if they were a) born there b) consider themselves to be British. The Overwhelming majority of Gilbraltarians wish to be British and remain in Britain. Its our land, the Spanish have no say in it.

Phil V said:
I can't help thinking this is contrary to similar posts of yours about foreigners wanting to be British. :thinking:

It takes some understanding does this.
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I know for some bizarre reason you wish to paint me a xenophobic bigot as I support the UKIP movement however I have no problem with immigrants per se if they are loyal to this country. What I do have a problem with is people who come here, then complain about our established customs and we then bend over backwards to accomodate theirs.

I do feel a skills/assets based points system is in order to control immigration. It would also stop us favouring EU immigrants as they can come in automatically, and we can treat fairly all applicants equally and fairly, rather than preferentially treat EU based immigrants.
 
Although yes, Gibraltar is British territory, the official nationality of the overwhelming majority of the population there is Gibraltarian.
 
Phil V said:
I haven't painted you as xenophobic, that's a selfie ;)
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It is how people such as yourself, choose to interprate the UKIP movement and controlling immigration. I have friends from a wide range of ethnic backgrounds and gladly visit foreign countries, buy foreign cars (I've owned Japanese, German, and now a Swedish car). Can you please tell me how that is xenophobia?
 
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