Potential Jail for old gun collector

ST4 said:
Guns are great. I love guns. I should move to the US, I would have assault rifles, pistols, revolvers, shot guns
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For what purpose? (guns are not great, they were designed for only one purpose).


Steve.
 
Steve Smith said:
For what purpose? (guns are not great, they were designed for only one purpose).


Steve.
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Hunting, self defence, collecting. I spent some time in a cadet force and rifle club, and got the chance to shoot .22 target rifles, 7.62 target rifles competatively and 5.56 SA80 rifles at targets. It was a great experience and a hobby thats quite restricted here, I'd time/money dependent, take it up again.

Guns, in my opinion, are great.
 
ST4 said:
Hunting, self defence, collecting. I spent some time in a cadet force and rifle club, and got the chance to shoot .22 target rifles, 7.62 target rifles competatively and 5.56 SA80 rifles at targets. It was a great experience and a hobby thats quite restricted here, I'd time/money dependent, take it up again.

Guns, in my opinion, are great.
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madness

East of Syria and in Northern Iraq, the latest "killing fields"

Self defence?

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ST4 said:
self defence
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In self defence against someone else with a gun, you have a 50% chance of living. That's why guns are not allowed for self defence in this country.

I think you are fooling yourself. You seem to be many miles away from reality.


Steve.
 
ST4 said:
Its RHD, you can drive it here?
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Yes; with the AK47 sticking out through the window :p Glasgow is not quite up to Moscow's standards but everything could be fixed with a bit of effort and money :cuckoo:

Let me know before you try it. I'll buy some newspapers that day.
 
Steve Smith said:
In self defence against someone else with a gun, you have a 50% chance of living. That's why guns are not allowed for self defence in this country.

I think you are fooling yourself. You seem to be many miles away from reality.


Steve.
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Luckily he doesn't pose much danger behind his keyboard :)
 
daugirdas said:
Yes; with the AK47 sticking out through the window :p Glasgow is not quite up to Moscow's standards but everything could be fixed with a bit of effort and money :wacky:

Let me know before you try it. I'll buy some newspapers that day.
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Maybe the old dude visited and Glasgow and was scared people from Glasgow would spread north.

The facts remain the old dude isn't connected with any crimes and he's probably a bit odd.
 
Steve Smith said:
In self defence against someone else with a gun, you have a 50% chance of living. That's why guns are not allowed for self defence in this country.

I think you are fooling yourself. You seem to be many miles away from reality.


Steve.
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And self defence without a gun against someone with a knife, what are the odds of living. Plus if you are unarmed and they have a gun - the odds are overwhelming against you.

50:50 against a mugger/attacker/crim is pretty good. Guns are great and I love them.
 
ST4 said:
Hunting, self defence, collecting. I spent some time in a cadet force and rifle club, and got the chance to shoot .22 target rifles, 7.62 target rifles competatively and 5.56 SA80 rifles at targets. It was a great experience and a hobby thats quite restricted here, I'd time/money dependent, take it up again.

Guns, in my opinion, are great.
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I think you'll find that self defence is not a valid reason for having a firearm in the UK, since we haven't become America yet! From the Police Scotland website:

Good Reason

Applicants must have a 'Good Reason' for all firearms they may wish to possess. This may be evidenced by having authority to shoot over land, or membership of a Target Shooting Club. In respect of renewals, 'Good Reason' will be shown through regular use of all firearms possessed.
 
A former colleague (I wonder what profession?) gave him a couple of shotguns about twenty years ago, and in the bag he also found the "component parts" to build a sawn off shotgun.
Now, I used to build Airfix kits when I was younger, but I never saw one for a sawn off shotgun in their catalogue or the model shops:)
A sawn off shotgun is only used for one purpose and that is crime, because it is a devastating but innacurate weapon - except when used at close range.
The fact that the authorities think that he was never been connected with any crime, doesn't actually mean that he was not connected with any crime.
 
ST4 said:
And self defence without a gun against someone with a knife, what are the odds of living. Plus if you are unarmed and they have a gun - the odds are overwhelming against you.

50:50 against a mugger/attacker/crim is pretty good. Guns are great and I love them.
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You'd feel right at home at downtown LA or Texas. No midges and no cloudy weather would be a bonus.
 
To me what is very interesting is the fact - that the original post had a link in it, which stated that these were found in the 'gun room' in his basement - so presumably at some point this man had a licence for at least one gun.

Was this in fact a routine licence check ? If so why had these weapons not been found before ?
 
ST4 said:
I'm thinking more Death Valley would be great. Fast roads, hot sunny weather, lots of food in the states. I'd love it.
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Vegas? Go for it. Cheap regular flights and all that.
 
ST4 said:
I'm thinking more Death Valley would be great. Fast roads, hot sunny weather, lots of food in the states. I'd love it.
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You should get a good package deal to Syria these days as I believe business is down and Libya has got a great winter climate

or you could try an "historic tour" on Northern Iraq
 
BillN_33 said:
You should get a good package deal to Syria these days as I believe business is down and Libya has got a great winter climate

or you could try an "historic tour" on Northern Iraq
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All joking aside, these are wonderful countries with wonderful history and architecture. Money no object, I'd not say no to visiting that part of the world once it calms down a bit.
 
daugirdas said:
You get upset when you see little puppies on the street and you want guns?!
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he needs an automatic weapon to protect him from the big bad doggies
 
ST4 said:
All joking aside, these are wonderful countries with wonderful history and architecture. Money no object, I'd not say no to visiting that part of the world once it calms down a bit.
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They are but they have always been "full of guns" with very little control ……… and now they are really using them against each other
 
ST4 said:
And self defence without a gun against someone with a knife, what are the odds of living. .
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to be honest the best defence against someone with a knife (whether you have a gun or not) is to run like hell. At close quarters unless your gun is in your hand and cocked a competent knife man will eviscerate you before you can aim and fire (Which is why many american police forces consider a knife within 10m to be an "imediate and lethal threat " justifying gunfire)
 
big soft moose said:
to be honest the best defence against someone with a knife (whether you have a gun or not) is to run like hell. At close quarters unless your gun is in your hand and cocked a competent knife man will eviscerate you before you can aim and fire (Which is why many american police forces consider a knife within 10m to be an "imediate and lethal threat " justifying gunfire)
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Run then shoot?
 
big soft moose said:
to be honest the best defence against someone with a knife (whether you have a gun or not) is to run like hell. At close quarters unless your gun is in your hand and cocked a competent knife man will eviscerate you before you can aim and fire (Which is why many american police forces consider a knife within 10m to be an "imediate and lethal threat " justifying gunfire)
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Words of wisdom. Practice running.
 
ST4 said:
Run then shoot?
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personally i'd just run - if he's close enough to be a justfied threat reaching for your gun won't help , and if he isnt it would be murder. If for any reason i couldnt run, and talking my way out wasnt working either, I'd be inclined to try to knock the knife away and then shatter the collar bone of the hand holding it (either that or take out a knee - if you succesfully dislocate his knee he isnt going to do anything other than roll arround on the ground screaming)
 
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Seems like an amazing series of coincidences which do not look like a purely innocent "mistake".
The fact that one of the guns was a sawn off shotgun suggests that someone at some stage either committed a crime or planned to.

Is there any normal legal use for a sawn off shotgun?
 
PatrickO said:
Is there any normal legal use for a sawn off shotgun?
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No. It is a prohibited weapon. There are no circumstances Joe public can legally possess one.
 
I would have thought any serious gun collector would never own a sawn off shot gun, due to the fact that a possibly valuable shotgun is now worthless and also very illegal
 
ST4 said:
The facts remain the old dude isn't connected with any crimes and he's probably a bit odd.
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Apart from the crime of having a stash of unlicensed guns at least one of which is prohibited.
 
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Defending the undefendable... shame the BBC now word their stories in such a way to attract the maximum attention. It is similar like how Borris is going to charge all diesel cars £10 a day - only if they are in central London, not Euro VI, or petrol Euro V, and after 2020. b*****ks, until that day his buses and ancient taxis will keep stinking up the air.
 
We all have hobbies, we like cameras, others like guns and i can see that. But, the law is pretty clear and so if caught you know what to expect. I doubt this guy is a menace, and there are many yobs caught with knives who are likely to use them who get a slap in the wrist.
 
big soft moose said:
to be honest the best defence against someone with a knife (whether you have a gun or not) is to run like hell. At close quarters unless your gun is in your hand and cocked a competent knife man will eviscerate you before you can aim and fire (Which is why many american police forces consider a knife within 10m to be an "imediate and lethal threat " justifying gunfire)
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Not convinced, when I was shooting practical pistol, regularly,
my fastest draw from a holster, (Double action, ie hammer down) and "bullseye" time from 10 meters, with a colt '45 ACP
was 0.76 secs.
And I wasn't the fastest in the club.
 
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