Potential Jail for old gun collector

Ha ha. Corthan Crescent. Not far from where I was brought up in the same scheme.
 
neil_g said:
merely an observation. OOF is turning into a BBC RSS feed.
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Then ignore them.

The chances of this old boy seeing pokey are infinitesimal.
 
viv1969 said:
The chances of this old boy seeing pokey are infinitesimal.
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I really hope you are right, his legal team will need to come up with a rhobust defence to avoid it

reading this

Deferring sentence, Lord Burns said: "Parliament has dictated that unless exceptional circumstances exist a minimum sentence of five years should be imposed."
 
it seems a bit steep - but on the other hand his story sounds like b*****ks ... well officer you see that illegally modified weapon isnt mine, a mate gave it to me, but then he didnt want it back so i kept it " yeah erm okay, if you say so (if you didnt want it why didnt you dispose of it ? would be an obvious question)

If he were younger he'd get the book thrown at him - the only mitigating factor here is age
 
big soft moose said:
it seems a bit steep - but on the other hand his story sounds like b*****ks ... well officer you see that illegally modified weapon isnt mine, a mate gave it to me, but then he didnt want it back so i kept it " yeah erm okay, if you say so (if you didnt want it why didnt you dispose of it ? would be an obvious question)

If he were younger he'd get the book thrown at him - the only mitigating factor here is age
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We don't even know if the gun wasn't used for something bad previously by either of the men. His defence is crap because he could destroy the gun in a number of ways in just a few minutes.
 
I don't know about Scottish law, but here, his age could not be used as a mitigating factor.
 
what would you use a sawn-off shotgun for, shooting pigeons?
 
BillN_33 said:
what would you use a sawn-off shotgun for, shooting pigeons?
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only if you were a really bad shot , and the pigeons were very close (or worked in a bank)
 
ST4 said:
Nothing, collectors just collect weird stuff.
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maybe I should then say, what would a sawn off shot gun have been used for in the past?

before it became a "collectors item"

and he was not always 76 years old
 
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ST4 said:
Nothing, collectors just collect weird stuff.
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What if somebody decided to collect all types of 'weed' or explosives in their basement? You know, just for the sake of collecting.

How did he get discovered to start with? Houses do not get raided for no reason. Guns are dangerous and shouldn't be in possession of either alzheimer's possessed pensioner nor a townie yob. He could apply for a proper license if he was a hunter for example.
 
tbh the guns can't be linked to a crime - balistic comparrison isnt possible with a shotgun like it with a rifle or hand gun. Seems unlikely anyone would ruin a perfectly good shot gun unless they had a criminal purpose in mind.

if his story is true then 'his mate' may have used them for criminal purposes when they were younger
 
daugirdas said:
What if somebody decided to collect all types of 'weed' or explosives in their basement? You know, just for the sake of collecting.

How did he get discovered to start with? Houses do not get raided for no reason. Guns are dangerous and shouldn't be in possession of either alzheimer's possessed pensioner nor a townie yob. He could apply for a proper license if he was a hunter for example.
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may be fritzel should have used that defence - i'm not an abusive rapist i just um... collect young girls
 
daugirdas said:
How did he get discovered to start with? Houses do not get raided for no reason. Guns are dangerous and shouldn't be in possession of either alzheimer's possessed pensioner nor a townie yob. He could apply for a proper license if he was a hunter for example.
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you can't get a licence for a sawn off - in fact just possessing or creating one is an offence in the first place
 
ST4 said:
IIRC the guns and him have never been linked to a crime.
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maybe the headline should have been "Very smart 76 year old …………

I am not taking any side but someone who is in possession of a sawn-off shotgun which is designed for only one "useful" use needs to be investigated no matter what his age is or what condition the gun is in

plus would a "gun collector" only have three guns and store them in such conditions, and would a sawn-off be part of any sensible "gun collection"
 
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Where does Alzeimers come into it?
 
daugirdas said:
What if somebody decided to collect all types of 'weed' or explosives in their basement? You know, just for the sake of collecting.

How did he get discovered to start with? Houses do not get raided for no reason. Guns are dangerous and shouldn't be in possession of either alzheimer's possessed pensioner nor a townie yob. He could apply for a proper license if he was a hunter for example.
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War memorabilia is popular, a criminal it doesn't make.

IMHO he should get his guns back, in a decommissioned state. Guns are only dangerous in the wrong hands, as he had them hidden away and hadn't use them, plus has no prior record, he's not a danger. The townie yob is irrellevent, he's an old dude seeing a draconian law being forced on him.
 
Steve, it is the sawn-off shotgun element that tends to defeat all "excuses"

whether it was his and he is lying or it was "his mates"
 
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ST4 said:
War memorabilia is popular, a criminal it doesn't make.

IMHO he should get his guns back, in a decommissioned state. Guns are only dangerous in the wrong hands, as he had them hidden away and hadn't use them, plus has no prior record, he's not a danger. The townie yob is irrellevent, he's an old dude seeing a draconian law being forced on him.
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Well thanks, but I'd rather not see demented old American style dudes with their guns starting to shoot people and behave like turkeys. You get upset when you see little puppies on the street and you want guns?!
 
daugirdas said:
Well thanks, but I'd rather not see demented old American style dudes with their guns starting to shoot people and behave like turkeys. You get upset when you see little puppies on the street and you want guns?!
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Guns are great. I love guns. I should move to the US, I would have assault rifles, pistols, revolvers, shot guns, I'd be into guns in a big way and get NRA membership.

The old guy is 0 threat, no danger, zilch, nada, nil...this is a total over reaction to a harmless man with an eccentric interest.
 
ST4 said:
Guns are great. I love guns. I should move to the US, I would have assault rifles, pistols, revolvers, shot guns, I'd be into guns in a big way and get NRA membership.

The old guy is 0 threat, no danger, zilch, nada, nil...this is a total over reaction to a harmless man with an eccentric interest.
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He was not always 76 years old
 
ST4 said:
And in those 76 years he hasn't gained a criminal record...pretty good going saying how dangerous guns are and all...
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there are probably a lot of criminals who have not been caught who are now in their 70's

I am not saying that he, or his mate is one of them, but it needs thorough investigation

Just having shot guns (maybe) needs less of an explanation ......... but if you have a sawn-off in your possession that is far more serious
 
BillN_33 said:
there are probably a lot of criminals who have not been caught who are now in their 70's

I am not saying that he, or his mate is one of them, but it needs thorough investigation

Just having shot guns (maybe) needs less of an explanation ......... but if you have a sawn-off in your possession that is far more serious
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Its quite rare, probably if you are a gun collector probably a nice thing to have in your collection.
 
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