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not really. if youve never had someone/people find a fault in your life and ridicule it over and over and over and over (especially if youve asked them to stop) then youre lucky that youve never suffered at the hands of any bully.
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I havent tried to suggest its OK .. my problem is two fold.. 1) he seems to be a soft git who has run off rather than sorting it out and 2) he gets paid half a million quid for being 1)
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Oh believe me I have suffered at the hands of more than one bully ... that's why I know that to call this bullying is just ridiculous ... pathetic ... and makes me wonder who on earth we are employing as members of the police service nowadays?
In the girl's playground maybe but in the police service?
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We shouldn't even be concerning ourselves with this carp...it goes nowhere useful but winds us all up on both sides.
What we should be doing is asking all the bullies and senior officers to pay the 500grand back to us for being skunky anal wipes in letting the force get into this 'space' in the first place.
And then line up all the poor journalists which have sold their sole to the highest bidder... rabbiting on about this carp when their are far more outrageous stuffs going on ... rather than just choosing to be a good journalist.
What we should be doing is asking all the bullies and senior officers to pay the 500grand back to us for being skunky anal wipes in letting the force get into this 'space' in the first place.
And then line up all the poor journalists which have sold their sole to the highest bidder... rabbiting on about this carp when their are far more outrageous stuffs going on ... rather than just choosing to be a good journalist.
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lol ...Yeah Brash was Matt Damon's stunt man back then, oh yes indeed.
Like way back before all the trouble started...
Like way back before all the trouble started...
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It was hardly a high speed chase, the old guy never wont over 40mph and he stopped of his own free will. The PC 's actions were way OTT to me.
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Nae really. I just battered anyone who annoyed me or got battered trying to or got lifted and battered by the cops. All part of growing up, nothing much has changed.
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If he stopped of his own free will I guess the other two coppers that approached from the front must have been teleported in after he pulled over.
Regardless of speed he hadn't intended pulling over until he had realised his escape was blocked.
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I could almost hear the violins playing in the background....
I'd still bet your voice goes all high pitched when you hug puppies, just like the rest of us. 
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I could almost hear the violins playing in the background....
I neither hug puppies nor trees come to that or have a high voice at any time. I still get into the occasional fight tho, just to keep my hand in like.
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Well - all I can say is its a good job the video camera was on or the poor old pensioner would not have a leg to stand on - at least he got his car repaired. As for the actions of the BIB lol one runs and jumps on bonnet and tries to kick the screen in and the other attacks the side window with a baton, how they thought that was justifiable is beyond me?
Crazy world......
Crazy world......
Poor old pensioner ?,it was him who broke the law,in my city a few years ago we had an poor old pensioner who refuse to give up driving,even on the advice of his doctor and the police,and in the end he lost control of his car down one of our narrow streets and crushed some poor person to death
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He doesnt have a leg to stand on anyway - he broke the law and attempted to evade arrest
if breaking the window being justifiable is 'beyond you' , how would you go about stopping someone in a range rover driving off if the windows are up and the door is locked ?
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exactly
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Blimey its obvious - a BAZOOKA
LOL - I couldn't care less to be honest - whatever you say, they used an approach reserved for full blown criminals! on an elderly man.........get a grip.
Mind you its Bib in wales - is the reg on the old fellas RR from England by chance I wonder?
I am not anti-police btw - I have had experiences of both excellent, and very professional police officers in the course of being a motorist in my 27 years of driving and I have had experience of the complete opposite too. This account is the latter!
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exactly
O I dunno - a stinger maybe? burst all the tyres in a slow and controlled way.....follow him home and wait for him to get out - what if it was your dad in the car?
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As I see it,
The pensioner was in the wrong for not wearing a seat belt.
The officer was heavy handed attacking the car with the truncheon.
His peers obviously thought so too, if they were taking the urine.
I wish someone would pay me 400k every time someone took the urine outta me
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Sorry but regardless of age the range rover driver broke the law then drove off from the police. Should have had his drivers licence take off him and a big fine not rewarded with compensation.
Tbh £430,000 payout for the officer does seem a bit excessive but if the guy had another 20 years + left before he would retire then it is what it is, they should have auctioned the RR to make up some of the compo tho.
Oh and bullying is bullying regardless of if it is behind close doors or not, if it causes stress to the person that it's aimed at and they continue with it then the officers that were involved should also have been reprimanded.
I would tell him he was a complete T*** and deserved what he got, I guess the pensioner was in the right for breaking the law twice. Follow him home and wait for him to get out, why exactly? He broke the law.
Tbh £430,000 payout for the officer does seem a bit excessive but if the guy had another 20 years + left before he would retire then it is what it is, they should have auctioned the RR to make up some of the compo tho.
Oh and bullying is bullying regardless of if it is behind close doors or not, if it causes stress to the person that it's aimed at and they continue with it then the officers that were involved should also have been reprimanded.
I would tell him he was a complete T*** and deserved what he got, I guess the pensioner was in the right for breaking the law twice. Follow him home and wait for him to get out, why exactly? He broke the law.
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Blimey its obvious - a BAZOOKA
LOL - I couldn't care less to be honest - whatever you say, they used an approach reserved for http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01b674s! on an elderly man.........get a grip.
Mind you its Bib in wales - is the reg on the old fellas RR from England by chance I wonder?
I am not anti-police btw - I have had experiences of both excellent, and very professional police officers in the course of being a motorist in my 27 years of driving and I have had experience of the complete opposite too. This account is the latter!
How the hell did the police know he wasn't a full blown criminal,he drove of after being stopped,which often mean that the driver has something else to hide,age has nothing to do with it.
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It would be interesting to learn from some of our members who are police officers, what the standard procedure would be in the situation.
The thing that struck me from the video was that, when the PC went up to the car, the *first* thing he did was try to break the window with his truncheon. Is that normal? I was a little surprised that there didn't seem to be any attempt to talk to the driver first, but perhaps that was because they'd tried that once and he'd driven off? It would be interesting to know.
The other aspect which intrigues me is *why* other police officers at the station were ridiculing him. Is it simply because he had such difficulty breaking the car window? But if attacking the window is standard procedure, and some car windows are toughened, surely it's to be expected that some won't break?
I can't help the feeling that there are other issues in the background here which haven't been reported.
The thing that struck me from the video was that, when the PC went up to the car, the *first* thing he did was try to break the window with his truncheon. Is that normal? I was a little surprised that there didn't seem to be any attempt to talk to the driver first, but perhaps that was because they'd tried that once and he'd driven off? It would be interesting to know.
The other aspect which intrigues me is *why* other police officers at the station were ridiculing him. Is it simply because he had such difficulty breaking the car window? But if attacking the window is standard procedure, and some car windows are toughened, surely it's to be expected that some won't break?
I can't help the feeling that there are other issues in the background here which haven't been reported.
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He's used the same right as everyone else has. If you don't think Police should have the right to sue for poor management, then you don't think anyone should.
Its as simple as that.
As for police actions at the time? None of you ere there, few of you have any experience, and some of you have already decided, going by your normal level of post, that irrespective of an inconvenient thing called evidence, Police are always wrong.
I agree with what someone said earlier, why are we even discussing it, he was doing what each and everyone of you can do.
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The video only shows the end, so second guessing what would be do is difficult. But in the rough circumstances there is no 'SOP' for it. In a nutshell, the driver needed preventing from going any further. It wasn't from what I understand just no seat belt, his driving was dangerous.
It's already been pointed out, trying to block a RR with a car, is a silly idea. So you do what you can, and seems best in the circumstances. If that is what the officers did, then it isn't for any of us to dictate what's right and wrong, it is for those who know what happened to decide at the time.
Why? Its banter, or should be, but it does and can go too far. It clearly has here and eventually if you stress anything enough it snaps. Sometimes you can mend it, sometimes not. In this case it's not.
I had a similar incident, well, the window bit was...which was shown on national TV as part of a fly on the wall series. Yes, I had the pee taken for months after, but eventually people forgot or just found it wasn't funny any more. That clearly didn't happen in this case.
Its as simple as that.
As for police actions at the time? None of you ere there, few of you have any experience, and some of you have already decided, going by your normal level of post, that irrespective of an inconvenient thing called evidence, Police are always wrong.
I agree with what someone said earlier, why are we even discussing it, he was doing what each and everyone of you can do.
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The video only shows the end, so second guessing what would be do is difficult. But in the rough circumstances there is no 'SOP' for it. In a nutshell, the driver needed preventing from going any further. It wasn't from what I understand just no seat belt, his driving was dangerous.
It's already been pointed out, trying to block a RR with a car, is a silly idea. So you do what you can, and seems best in the circumstances. If that is what the officers did, then it isn't for any of us to dictate what's right and wrong, it is for those who know what happened to decide at the time.
Why? Its banter, or should be, but it does and can go too far. It clearly has here and eventually if you stress anything enough it snaps. Sometimes you can mend it, sometimes not. In this case it's not.
I had a similar incident, well, the window bit was...which was shown on national TV as part of a fly on the wall series. Yes, I had the pee taken for months after, but eventually people forgot or just found it wasn't funny any more. That clearly didn't happen in this case.
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He obviously only stopped because the road was blocked by another police car.
Having already driven away once I would have thought that the first priority would be to remove the keys, which looks like what happened.
For all we know PC Baillon may have known that the vehicle was locked when it was previously stopped and therefore the only entry would have been to break the window.
The "poor old pensioner" could have unlocked/opened the door and been cooperative instead of resisting and having to be removed from the car.
No sympathy here I'm afraid.
The £430,000 taken in context with the loss of possibly 20 years salary plus pension is fair, not a nice little earner as a lot seem to think.
Having already driven away once I would have thought that the first priority would be to remove the keys, which looks like what happened.
For all we know PC Baillon may have known that the vehicle was locked when it was previously stopped and therefore the only entry would have been to break the window.
The "poor old pensioner" could have unlocked/opened the door and been cooperative instead of resisting and having to be removed from the car.
No sympathy here I'm afraid.
The £430,000 taken in context with the loss of possibly 20 years salary plus pension is fair, not a nice little earner as a lot seem to think.
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Unless I'm missing something that had already been tried and the driver took off?
In the circumstances taking action to prevent a re-occurrence of driving off was perfectly reasonable IMO.
For me there is nothing wrong with the stop actions - what is wrong here is a policemen being overly-sensitive and a police force that was inept in dealing with the issues that arose.
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I think that's a pretty fair summary.
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I can't find the original reports of this incident now but something sticks in my mind about the "poor pensioner" having some background of goading the police and possibly even injuring one of them when he drove after being stopped the first time. That might explain the extra "enthusiasm" with which he was stopped the second time.
In addition, the RR driver's compensation and claim for damages was all settled before it came to court. It's a pity it never went to court because I suspect the result would have been quite different - although no doubt more expensive for the police in legal costs.
In addition, the RR driver's compensation and claim for damages was all settled before it came to court. It's a pity it never went to court because I suspect the result would have been quite different - although no doubt more expensive for the police in legal costs.
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I'v found the original DM report of court proceedings for the incident:
"A court heard yesterday that Mr Whatley, right, was originally pulled over in a country lane in Monmouthshire by traffic police who tried to issue him with a fine for not wearing a seat belt. But when an officer went round to the passenger side, the car lurched forward and he was knocked over. Mr Whatley told Caerphilly magistrates court, South Wales, that he then drove off because he thought the matter had been dealt with, felt ‘frail and vulnerable’ and was worried he would suffer another stroke.
The police followed him for 17 minutes, during which time he did not break the speed limit. Mr Whatley said he thought the blue lights and siren of the police car meant the officers were giving him an escort home. He finally pulled over when he was confronted by a police ‘stinger’ device to puncture his tyres on the road into Usk. The subsequent scene of the police officers attacking his vehicle was filmed on the patrol car video and shown to the court. Mr Whatley was found guilty of not wearing a seatbelt, failing to stop for a police officer and having tinted car windows which did not conform to legal requirements but cleared of failing to stop after an accident. He also admitted having a registration plate which did not adhere to regulations. He was fined £235 with £300 costs."
Puts the subsequent police action into a little more context I think.
"A court heard yesterday that Mr Whatley, right, was originally pulled over in a country lane in Monmouthshire by traffic police who tried to issue him with a fine for not wearing a seat belt. But when an officer went round to the passenger side, the car lurched forward and he was knocked over. Mr Whatley told Caerphilly magistrates court, South Wales, that he then drove off because he thought the matter had been dealt with, felt ‘frail and vulnerable’ and was worried he would suffer another stroke.
The police followed him for 17 minutes, during which time he did not break the speed limit. Mr Whatley said he thought the blue lights and siren of the police car meant the officers were giving him an escort home. He finally pulled over when he was confronted by a police ‘stinger’ device to puncture his tyres on the road into Usk. The subsequent scene of the police officers attacking his vehicle was filmed on the patrol car video and shown to the court. Mr Whatley was found guilty of not wearing a seatbelt, failing to stop for a police officer and having tinted car windows which did not conform to legal requirements but cleared of failing to stop after an accident. He also admitted having a registration plate which did not adhere to regulations. He was fined £235 with £300 costs."
Puts the subsequent police action into a little more context I think.
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If he thinks the police were giving him an escort, I'd be questioning whether he was of sound mind and be allowed to drive in the first place.
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Only if its true? I mean who can you believe these days ?
IF it is true however the police are more justified but its still disproportionate action as they knew he was an old fella .... imho..
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What so if your elderly you can break the law and get away with it. What a pile of crap. The actions taken were taken to stop an idiot from attempting to flee from them again and sorry but even if he was only driving at the speed limit while fleeing he was still breaking the law so I think the defence of I'm old and I was scared is pathetic.
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He was found guilty, it is therefore true.
Clearly not, at least no one that looked at all of it thought it was disproportionate. It's easy to assume things from an armchair, I understand that, but those who looked at everything don't agree.
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Absolutely right, that'll be why he got over £20,000 damages from the polis for smashing up his car
In full agreement.
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Absolutely right, that'll be why he got over £20,000 damages from the polis for smashing up his car
More like he got the payout because the Police Authority weren't prepared to risk the additional court costs they could face if it went to court.
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I like the way a big deal is being made of him being a pensioner at 70yrs old, i a few years from now that'll still be working age and the press will lose their ability to apply the scandal card to a similar scenario .