Police Killers freed

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Agree to a point, but how many people kill 2 people and get 12-15 years? Just because you are a cop is that worse?
 
Remember being involved with the search for him when he was on the run ... long time ago.
Is the murder of a policeman worse than the murder of a civilian? ... Like for like, I say yes it is, by reason of what the policeman represents.
Was it the worst type of murder? ... Probably not.
 
48 years inside. I don't see what benefit there is to keeping him at her majesty's pleasure.

Of course this thread was purely created to enable another 'shoot the ****ers' rant so....carry on :)
 
It seems reasonable to me, having served 48 years.
Rather that than the two evil little sods that tortured and murdered James Bulger being freed after just eight years.
 
ST4 said:
He killed three people trying to abscond from custody. IMHO you just cannot free people like that.
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From memory, he killed two people, an accomplice killed the other - although of course technically you are correct, because the murders were a joint endeavour so everyone involved was equally guilty.

And again from memory, he was not trying to abscond from custody, although no doubt he would have ended up in custody if he hadn't shot them.

48 years is a very long time, he is a very old man now and hardly likely to pose a significant threat to society. The experts have decided that he can be released on licence, and that's good enough for me.

What I believe is unacceptable is the ranting by the police federation - who the hell do they think they are?
 
cambsno said:
Agree to a point, but how many people kill 2 people and get 12-15 years? Just because you are a cop is that worse?
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I would agree with this. I don't see why a police officers life is more valuable than a doctors or a general member of the public. The sentence should be for the crime, not who the crime was committed against.

My personal view is that if you intentionally kill someone other than when defending yourself or others you should go to jail for life, no chance of parole. That's my headline view anyway, though I'm sure if I did some research there will be numerous cases where exceptions should be made, but I would start off on that premise certainly.
 
Unless the stories of what happened when he was out on day release a few years ago are true.

Allegedly when he was working on a farm a cat got electrocuted and a horse got its head cut off.

I say Allegedly because I red it in the Stun but if true should he still be let out, I know he is in his 70's but plenty of 70 year olds I know are fit and well and strong enough to kill.

Will this be another of those lessons will be learned cases, I hope not.

Paul
 
I'm amazed about the met police press release. He's done lots more time than if he just killed 2 people of the street.
I don't think its different. Its like you hold up a shop and get away with £500 you will do less time inside than holding up a post office and getting away with £10k. The severity of the crime is the same.
 
ST4 said:
Why does a life sentence not mean life?
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It does. The length of time given in a life sentence is the minimum before parole will even be considered. The default is still life, and even if they do get out on parole after the minimum period (and this individual did not) they remain on license for the rest of their natural life.
 
ST4 said:
He should die in prison. IMHO of course.
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So should a lot of other people...many of whom didn't commit murder.
But they won't.
Get over it and move on. :thumbs:
 
ST4 said:
Apathy - the issue of today.
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Not at all.
Realism.
I will not spend my life fretting and whining about all the ills of the world.
You seem determined to, so please....be my guest :thumbs:
 
ST4 said:
That he would die there and never see freedom again. IIRC he murdered three people.

What victory can be won for society by freeing a 3 times murderer
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Reducing prison population, saving money, etc: if you don't want to look at it from humanitarian terms as I'm guessing you don't.

Why is having an old man die in prison and never seeing freedom again a victory for society, exactly? What do we gain from it as a people other than looking pathetic, embittered, primitive, and retributive.
 
viv1969 said:
I will not spend my life fretting and whining about all the ills of the world.
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...............................but you often do my dear;)
 
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ghoti said:
Reducing prison population, saving money, etc: if you don't want to look at it from humanitarian terms as I'm guessing you don't.

Why is having an old man die in prison and never seeing freedom again a victory for society, exactly? What do we gain from it as a people other than looking pathetic, embittered, primitive, and retributive.
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He deliberately killed three people. He deserves all the retrobution our justice system can throw at him. Any humanitarian rights he lost when he deliberately killed 3 people.
 
BRASH said:
...............................but you often do my dear;)
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Yes indeed.....Proud to follow your example darling.
But not 24 / 7 (y)
 
ST4 said:
He deliberately killed three people. He deserves all the retrobution our justice system can throw at him. Any humanitarian rights he lost when he deliberately killed 3 people.
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And all this from a man who openly advocates murder.
 
ST4 said:
He deliberately killed three people. He deserves all the retrobution our justice system can throw at him. Any humanitarian rights he lost when he deliberately killed 3 people.
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Fair enough. Enjoy finding satisfaction in the idea of elderly, frail men dying in prison after serving 48 years. I don't understand that kind of justice but if it gives you a happiness and comfort that you feel you would otherwise miss then you're entitled to your position; no matter how weird and twisted I might find it.
 
ghoti said:
Fair enough. Enjoy finding satisfaction in the idea of elderly, frail men dying in prison after serving 48 years. I don't understand that kind of justice but if it gives you a happiness and comfort that you feel you would otherwise miss then you're entitled to your position; no matter how weird and twisted I might find it.
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I wouldn't have let him get to 78. The death penalty should exist to deny murderers that chance.
 
ST4 said:
Shooting people who illegally invade our country. Too right. But it's not murder, it's defence of the realm.
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You've also said you'd shoot junkies in the head.
Nonces too I believe.
 
The reason for the outrage from the Feds, and Police Officers as a whole, is that there has been until recently a convenient, like the Military one concerning those that kill Police Officers. That was that anyone who kills a Police Officer dies inside.

Why? Very simple really, while you the great British Public can, and do walk away, a Police Officer cannot. As they are doing by virtue of holding an office, something the public wont, they deserve more protection. That protection is life meaning life.
As a side issue that same convenient also applies if a member of the public is murdered doing his public duty and assisting Police.

Even without that unwritten agreement, in his particular case life was clearly the intention of the Trial Judge, and therefore thats what it should mean.
 
ST4 said:
He should die in prison. IMHO of course.
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Agreed - even if it means throwing him off the roof.

I am all for harsher sentences for those that kill or injure those who put their lives on the line to protect the rest of us.
 
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The people he killed are still dead.. so why should he be free and living life the same as if he hadn't done it.. they are still dead.. he should still be in prison.. for me that stands for anyone who murders anyone.. police or not.. there should never be a time where a murderer gets to live a free life...
 
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The people he killed are still dead.. so why should he be free and living life the same as if he hadn't done it.. they are still dead.. he should still be in prison.. for me that stands for anyone who murders anyone.. police or not.. there should never be a time where a murderer gets to live a free life...
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You can pay the extra taxes to keep them there then, I'm not. The cost of keeping every person that committed murder in prison until they die of old age would be astronomical.
 
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