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They're clearly all much safer because they own guns, the fact these isolated incidents happen detracts from the 'obvious truth'....
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They're clearly all much safer because they own guns, the fact these isolated incidents happen detracts from the 'obvious truth'....
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http://news.sky.com/story/1566344/outrage-over-gun-store-next-to-us-school
That's enterprise for you. Saves the nutters humping their kit to the school. Just buy it at the door before going in :banghead:
That's enterprise for you. Saves the nutters humping their kit to the school. Just buy it at the door before going in :banghead:
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And that doesn't appear to include today's.
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With that many, you'd think that there'd be obvious evidence to prove that a heavily armed population would be acting in self defence to stop it happening, yet oddly... not once!
An armed civilian (of which there are millions) has never managed to stop this happening. How can anyone with any intelligence still cling on to that as a reason to own a gun.
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Maybe because a lot of them target schools and guns aren't allowed in schools?
We don't however have any way of knowing whether or not it works on a day to day basis, as reports of "minor crimes and attempted shooting" I suspect never make it "over here"
TBH we can shout scream and pontificate as much as we (UK) like here, but I bet Obama doesn't read TP.
Besides, we would would be just as outraged if the USA
wanted to alter or change any of our laws.
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30 people shot dead per day amounts to almost 11,000 per year.
58,000 US servicemen were killed in Vietnam in 10 years.
That equates to Vietnam having been statistically twice as safe as the USA............
58,000 US servicemen were killed in Vietnam in 10 years.
That equates to Vietnam having been statistically twice as safe as the USA............
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I don't expect to change anyone's opinion.Maybe because a lot of them target schools and guns aren't allowed in schools?
We don't however have any way of knowing whether or not it works on a day to day basis, as reports of "minor crimes and attempted shooting" I suspect never make it "over here"
TBH we can shout scream and pontificate as much as we (UK) like here, but I bet Obama doesn't read TP.
Besides, we would would be just as outraged if the USA
wanted to alter or change any of our laws.
But I think Obama doesn't need convincing that gun control is the right thing to do, he gas no power to do it though. That should be obvious if you've seen his reaction to these shootings, it's difficult to imagine a more frustrated expression.
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Out of interest, at what point does a shooting become a mass shooting in the statistics?
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What I find curious is that a president has no ( or seems to have no) power to change or amend something he and ( what ever percentage of the people) feels so strongly about.
I'm not saying its right I'm not saying its wrong, but if this was the UK the government would go for a knee jerk out right ban, ignoring year long reports and recommendation.
Oh wait a minute, they did that already.
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Their political system isn't so simple as ours, the president can still be in charge of the minority party, add to that a massive political gun lobby.
The closest we could imagine would be Ed Milliband with a minority Labour government being forced out of the EU by UKIP lobbying.
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I barely "get" ours TBH, without even thinking about what the hell that lot over the pond get up to
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When the priest joins in.
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' 4 or more' in all the stats I quoted, I think that's the international standard, to weed out most family tragedies.
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Cheers...
Doesn't seem to be that much to be honest. Easily done in any kind of gangland dispute...I mean a protest march with 4 people wouldn't be a large protest would it?
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I saw 4 people just off the A11 the other day, they were "wearing" pizza hut boards,
It makes sense now they were all protesting against Pizza hut,
and even worse I saw one guy, wave at the passing cars!
How dare he!
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I think that was a refugee camp with Pizza Hut sponsored tents. Part of the mass migration from Europe.I saw 4 people just off the A11 the other day, they were "wearing" pizza hut boards,
It makes sense now they were all protesting against Pizza hut,
and even worse I saw one guy, wave at the passing cars!
How dare he!
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IIRC (again!), an assembly of more than 2 persons can constitute a riot if Plod want an excuse to disband the "mob".
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But I'm personally happy to accept 4 people as a mass shooting. It's a line in the sand I can understand, 1 person shot is too many IMHO, 2 is a tragedy, so 4 is way too many.
Considering that using the same criteria, mass shootings are rare to the point where they're almost non existent in the UK, I think it holds up fine.
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Cool, interesting mass shooting tracker. So that includes those shooting where nobody got killed even let alone the ones with just one or two. Hmmm
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The statistics show where at least 4 people were injured by gun fire.
It's a Mass Shooting tracker, not a mass killing tracker. ( though mass killings are included)
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"This week a 2-year-old in South Carolina found a gun in the back seat of the car he was riding in and accidentally shot his grandmother,"
" I've found at least 43 instances this year of somebody being shot by a toddler 3 or younger. In 31 of those 43 cases, a toddler found a gun and shot himself or herself."
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis
Guess which country.
" I've found at least 43 instances this year of somebody being shot by a toddler 3 or younger. In 31 of those 43 cases, a toddler found a gun and shot himself or herself."
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis
Guess which country.
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So oddly there is no talk at all about the mass shooting this week in the UK
Because it was Manchester?
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So oddly there is no talk at all about the mass shooting this week in the UK
And likely the fact that it was supposed to be drugs related, I guess on that theory they get all they deserve?Because it was Manchester?
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And likely the fact that it was supposed to be drugs related, I guess on that theory they get all they deserve?
Ouch. One of those kneecapped was a 7 year old kid
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Sad. 2 people injured. On the same day in the US 280 people were killed or injured by guns.So oddly there is no talk at all about the mass shooting this week in the UK
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I know and I wasn't condoning it by any means, just excusing ( in some peoples minds) why there was a lack of out rage.Ouch. One of those kneecapped was a 7 year old kid
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Point was around he definition of a mass shooting. And this is not the only one either, and especially not in relation to that fute. Absolute numbers don't make sense in comparison either as you'd need to consolidate that across an overall area equivalent to the us.
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Surely population would make more sense?
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As I've said hundreds of times the general measure is per 100.000 people. Problem is that the stats and what gets classified as a particular crime is all different.