Oregon shooting

ChasG said:
It is all well and good saying tighten the gun laws but what about those already in private hands?
Do you suggest that they bring in a law saying you can only have x number of guns then inspect every household to remove the excess?
That would take a vast army of heavily armed forces.

Do not forget the NRA and their "from my cold dead hands" stance
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Set the penalty for contravening the law to be massive. Allow a period for surrender of excessive guns. Once a few folk get found breaking the law, which they will coincidently with other events or offences and get hammered then large scale compliance will follow.
 
arclight said:
Set the penalty for contravening the law to be massive. Allow a period for surrender of excessive guns. Once a few folk get found breaking the law, which they will coincidently with other events or offences and get hammered then large scale compliance will follow.
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We are talking about Americans here. When many police officers have already said they will not enforce new laws. I believe that it is more than highly unlikely that they will surrender their guns and comply like the UK did.

How will they locate these weapons? It is not as though they live in pokey little holes like we tend to.
 
arclight said:
Set the penalty for contravening the law to be massive. Allow a period for surrender of excessive guns. Once a few folk get found breaking the law, which they will coincidently with other events or offences and get hammered then large scale compliance will follow.
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Do you fancy going and collecting a massive arsenal of guns from hundreds of thousands/millions of people that didn't want to surrender them? You'd be getting Waco type sieges.
 
Forget about the current attitudes of some Americsns. Acceptability for new laws must come first. Things will change slowly.

Believing that if you can't fix it overnight, then it is impossible to do ever, is not going to get you anywhere.
 
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As for locating weapons, I did think legally held weapons in the US had to be registered but it seems that's not the case. In fact Alaska and Idaho states actually say an owner cannot be made to register a gun and almost nowhere is it mandatory to report a lost or stolen gun (according to interwebs)

The one consolation would be that if new legislation did cause bloodshed it would most likely be gun owners shedding it and not young kids.
 
ChasG said:
In order to return the debate to it's original point.

Surely people can understand that America is unable to ban guns - they tried it with alcohol in the 1920s

Incidentally my American mate lives in a county that has a statute that all home owners MUST keep a gun
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If that's Kennesaw Georgia, many people bypass the requirement citing religious (and other) reasons.
 
Steep said:
As for locating weapons, I did think legally held weapons in the US had to be registered but it seems that's not the case. In fact Alaska and Idaho states actually say an owner cannot be made to register a gun and almost nowhere is it mandatory to report a lost or stolen gun (according to interwebs)

The one consolation would be that if new legislation did cause bloodshed it would most likely be gun owners shedding it and not young kids.
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Parents and all sorts of people own guns. I'm not sure the kids would be too consoled the ATF shot up their parents to protect the kids from some potential threat. Seems rather self-defeating. You'd have a lot of dead bodies of civilians and police piled up and distrust in the government. It's a recipe for domestic terrorism and civil unrest.
 
The proponents of gun control are missing the point - people will always find a way to kill.

Just for example, look at the case in Yorkshire last week where a depressed teenager walked into his school and serially strangled 16 of his class mates before turning his hands on himself?

Or the case last month where the loner from Cornwall attacked 12 class mates with a cricket bat, before being taken out by a Police top-order batsman.
 
viv1969 said:
If that's Kennesaw Georgia, many people bypass the requirement citing religious (and other) reasons.
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Wasn't the Kennesaw ordinance a response to Morton Grove? AFAIK, their handgun ban was repealed after Heller.
 
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MartynK said:
Wasn't the Kennesaw ordinance a response to Morton Grove? AFAIK, their handgun ban was repealed after Heller.
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No idea tbh...never heard of Morton Grove till googling it just now.
"The Village" would appear to be rather Stepfordesque! :-)
 
Meet the new neighbours

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It's good that they are all looking at the camera, but I would have gone for a slightly higher viewpoint and had those trees cover the whole background instead of sky.

I wonder how many of them are still alive? Or have accidentally killed a sibling?

If I was in that picture I'd quickly swap to a plastic, ray gun, water pistol.
 
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They all look quite angry, except perhaps the happy looking one at the back, in the yellow top, who has maybe just planned the next "spree" killing - she looks quite confident.

Other than that - very heavy digital noise, badly composed, and should the young lady on the right be holding a pump action shotgun (I think that is what it is)
 
andy700 said:
They all look quite angry, except perhaps the happy looking one at the back, in the yellow top, who has maybe just planned the next "spree" killing - she looks quite confident.

Other than that - very heavy digital noise, badly composed, and should the young lady on the right be holding a pump action shotgun (I think that is what it is)
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The one in yellow at the top, Olivia, was merely pleased with herself that she told off little Mary-Ellen on the right that she can't have Spaghetti Bolognese tonight. For once Olivia is just cooking one meal; they are having beans on toast all round. But Schuyler, Virginia is a nice place to live your life.
 
Well if it's a safe place to live, why are they all armed to the teeth? I wouldn't want to live anywhere near them. And definitely not send my kids to any shool those kids go to.
 
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ianp5a said:
Well if it's a safe place to live, why are they all armed to the teeth? I wouldn't want to live anywhere near them. And definitely not send my kids to any shool those kids go to.
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Have you never hunted for your foods or lived in a forest with bears? Or haven't you got religious neighbours? Oh man, lacking such imagination.
 
Religious neighbours yes. An automatic assault rifle really helps mow down a room full of them, before tea. Although that family are probably religious.

Teach your 11 year old boy to use a gun. So he can win an argument over puppies with his 8 year girl neighbour by killing her with a gun. It only made the main news today because the alleged shooter wasn't yet a teenager.

It's not guns that kill people. It's children!
 
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ianp5a said:
Religious neighbours yes. An automatic assault rifle really helps mow down a room full of them, before tea. Although that family are probably religious.

Teach your 11 year old boy to use a gun. So he can win an argument over puppies with his 8 year girl neighbour by killing her with a gun. It only made the main news today because he wasn't yet a teenager.
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...and the other 500+ children under 11 who have died this year through gun violence.
 
dejongj said:
Have you never hunted for your foods or lived in a forest with bears? Or haven't you got religious neighbours? Oh man, lacking such imagination.
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They don't look much like "hunter gatherers" to me, they just look like a heavily armed bunch of "stoopid 'Murkans"
They probably get all their groceries and guns from Walmart.
 
andy700 said:
They don't look much like "hunter gatherers" to me, they just look like a heavily armed bunch of "stoopid 'Murkans"
They probably get all their groceries and guns from Walmart.
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and hoard tyres and petrol and rice..
 
I think this just pretty much says it....
 

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Mr Bump said:
I think this just pretty much says it....
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There is an undeniable problem - addicted to guns. Like all addictions, addressing them begins with admittance that the problem exists. That stage has not been reached yet by a very large proportion of the population.
 
because in America this is ok ?
 

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Yes. If you have a big military gun, it's 'definitely' OK to walk down the middle of the road.
 
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Llamaman said:
What's wrong with that? Just a woman going hunting with her gun dogtoddler...
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Jaywalking - and with their backs to the traffic!
 
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