Oregon shooting

ST4 said:
And your helpfully answered it. Why look it up when you are every so helpful :LOL:
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Aye, it's easy to help when the special needs are so apparent ;)
 
C'mon guys, this has been a good "debate" (I use the term very loosely :D) so far, let's not spoil it now.
 
From the pan into the fire he ;)

Not sure why anyone would want to use a gun for suicide. So messy for those left behind to clean up. Besides in Switzerland there is dignitas and the likes.
 
dejongj said:
From the pan into the fire he ;)

Not sure why anyone would want to use a gun for suicide. So messy for those left behind to clean up. Besides in Switzerland there is dignitas and the likes.
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Dignitas will not end your life simply because you wish it.
It's not a suicide supermarket!
 
viv1969 said:
Dignitas will not end your life simply because you wish it.
It's not a suicide supermarket!
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Sure take some pills instead or use a razor or ask on many of the online forums that will advise you.
 
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Humour, Dejongj. You're doing it wrong man. Keep trying.
 
Yup you can tell by all the laughter ;)

Pretty serious subject though to be joking around about it. So many innocents killed. Such mental health issues. I don't think it is funny laughable at all.
 
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ST4 said:
If it can be treated great. If it cannot be ensure the person is kept away from society.
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That's a great idea - but expensive.

Guess who gave us the phrase 'Care in the Community' ;)

It sounds all soft and fluffy and helpful, but what it means is that our Police force now spend a huge amount of resource 'looking after' the mentally ill. But we did manage to close down hundreds of mental hospitals, so that's a huge saving right? :p
 
dejongj said:
Yup you can tell by all the laughter ;)

Pretty serious subject though to be joking around about it. So many innocents killed. Such mental health issues. I don't think it is funny laughable at all.
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No one's laughing at the events, as you well know.

The pro-gun lobby logic, on the other hand... it's the gift that keeps on giving. :D

My frying pans are locked up nice and safe. Are yours? :LOL:
 
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Kinder eggs.
 
I'm very drunk and I've got the 'pans out.

Frying for our freedoms.

*salute*
 
ianp5a said:
I going on a rampage with a skillet then I'm going to turn it on myself.
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Now Wok you on about?
Its really strange the way these threads pan out though isn't it?

:D
 
We listened to a lot of waffel iron, and simply imagined being attacked with a Browning.. omelette. And ended up with egg on our face.
 
ianp5a said:
We listened to a lot of waffel iron, and simply imagined being attacked with a Browning.. omelette. And ended up with egg on our face.
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I suspect that Sigmund Fried would have something to say about all that!
 
Didn't he attack his mum in the kitchen. He beat her with a beater. Or was it in a small brewery, where he let her have both barrels. Meanwhile in the kitchen he plugged in the electric mixer and turned it on, himself.

Anyway I'm off to watch "Baking Bad".
 
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Steep said:
This makes sense to me.

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I saw this on FB today, and whilst you and I think it makes perfect sense, it'll do nothing for conservative Americans (the target audience) in their view someone having an obortion is a killer already, not a potential (but highly unlikely) killer.
 
In order to return the debate to it's original point.

Surely people can understand that America is unable to ban guns - they tried it with alcohol in the 1920s

Incidentally my American mate lives in a county that has a statute that all home owners MUST keep a gun
 
It'll be a long process. But it can be done. Although the aim is to massively reduce gun deaths rather than ban anything.
 
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ChasG said:
In order to return the debate to it's original point.

Surely people can understand that America is unable to ban guns - they tried it with alcohol in the 1920s

Incidentally my American mate lives in a county that has a statute that all home owners MUST keep a gun
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It's not about banning, it's about controlling. Obama made a speech a couple of days ago and in it mentions that those States that have gun control legislation don't have these mass shootings.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FziiI_NeJb8
 
Stricter licensing, i.e. the need for a specific weapon must be proven before a license is issued. Limit the number of guns a person can own because there's no way a city dwelling college student needs an armoury's worth of weapons. Limit the calibre of ammunition available for certain weapons, less lethal ammo might mean fewer people die next time. Ban the sale of weapons that can be 'converted' to automatic, by all accounts you can buy a civilian copy of a combat rifle (1 shot per trigger pull) and un-mod it quite easily back to full auto. All these things are possible without stopping gun ownership.
 
ChasG said:
If you don't ban them - what do you do?
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You reduce the opportunity to unleash carnage.
e.g. Ban the sale of all military type weapons - automatic rifles, machine guns/pistols etc. There is no good reason for any weapons like that to be in public ownership.
Strictly control who can own guns (and why) by having gun licences that require police checks on their mental stability, character, criminal behaviour/record. No one can apply for a gun licence without appropriate character references (which are subject to scrutiny).
Do not permit anyone to own a rifle unless they provide proof that they have landowner permission to use it in a safe place. If that place is a gun club then the weapon minus the bolt or vital part of the firing mechanism must be securely kept there and not at home.
All purchases of additional weapons/magazines/ammunition must be recorded and vetted with the aim of detecting people who are clearly acquiring a lot of firepower, since that needs to be examined.
If people say that they like to own several types of gun then too bad - make do with one or none.

Of course, none of that is perfect and some dangerous people will alway slip through the net. Because there is no perfect solution is never a reason to do nothing. The aim is to substantially reduce the killing.

That took a few minutes to think up. Probably much more than that can be done
 
Some of the first steps will be aimed at making tighter gun controls more acceptable. Acceptance is the key. So teaching tiny children that guns are cool, their right, and those that try to stop them are somehow evil, has to be worked on too. But the next generations are going to be different. Except if you believe the "nothing will ever change" brigade, with their "far too deeply entrenched" tunnel vision.
 
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ianp5a said:
Some of the first steps will be aimed at making tighter gun controls more acceptable. Acceptance is the key. So teaching tiny children that guns are cool, their right, and those that try to stop them are somehow evil, has to be worked on too. But the next generations are going to be different. Except if you believe the "nothing will ever change" brigade, with their "far too deeply entrenched" tunnel vision.
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I think the indoctrination at such an early age is disgusting, and that will be the most difficult thing to change, particularly in some states.
 
arclight said:
You reduce the opportunity to unleash carnage.
e.g. Ban the sale of all military type weapons - automatic rifles, machine guns/pistols etc. There is no good reason for any weapons like that to be in public ownership.
Strictly control who can own guns (and why) by having gun licences that require police checks on their mental stability, character, criminal behaviour/record. No one can apply for a gun licence without appropriate character references (which are subject to scrutiny).
Do not permit anyone to own a rifle unless they provide proof that they have landowner permission to use it in a safe place. If that place is a gun club then the weapon minus the bolt or vital part of the firing mechanism must be securely kept there and not at home.
All purchases of additional weapons/magazines/ammunition must be recorded and vetted with the aim of detecting people who are clearly acquiring a lot of firepower, since that needs to be examined.
If people say that they like to own several types of gun then too bad - make do with one or none.

Of course, none of that is perfect and some dangerous people will alway slip through the net. Because there is no perfect solution is never a reason to do nothing. The aim is to substantially reduce the killing.

That took a few minutes to think up. Probably much more than that can be done
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You are going to have a bloodbath on your hands trying to enforce that.
 
ianp5a said:
Some of the first steps will be aimed at making tighter gun controls more acceptable. Acceptance is the key. So teaching tiny children that guns are cool, their right, and those that try to stop them are somehow evil, has to be worked on too. But the next generations are going to be different. Except if you believe the "nothing will ever change" brigade, with their "far too deeply entrenched" tunnel vision.
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Yes, it has to be a creeping program of change.
 
ianp5a said:
Some of the first steps will be aimed at making tighter gun controls more acceptable. Acceptance is the key. So teaching tiny children that guns are cool, their right, and those that try to stop them are somehow evil, has to be worked on too. But the next generations are going to be different. Except if you believe the "nothing will ever change" brigade, with their "far too deeply entrenched" tunnel vision.
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How can you teach them about the constitution without mentioning the right to bear arms? Plus kids play with toy guns, graduate to playing age inappropriate computer games with guns and then onto age inappropriate films glamorizing guns. Better off diverting money into mental health services rather than trying prohibition.
 
Kids play with toy guns and violent video games in many countries that don't have such a death toll. The constitution can be taught but not with the gung-ho! "blow 'em away" attitude that some Americans have. You may have heard how some Donald Trump supporters speak? In fact, plenty of intelligent Americans can see the problems and play down the whole gun culture. It also varies across the USA. And plenty of intelligent Americans know exactly the best next steps to take. And change is happening already. Such as the president of the USA standing up and clearly stating how important it is to address the gun deaths issue. Now that is a huge change. And an essential step on a long road to saving lives.
 
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It is all well and good saying tighten the gun laws but what about those already in private hands?
Do you suggest that they bring in a law saying you can only have x number of guns then inspect every household to remove the excess?
That would take a vast army of heavily armed forces.

Do not forget the NRA and their "from my cold dead hands" stance
 
To be fair trump talked about mental illness, and in a country that has limited care, no ability for services for this without paying for it, then you have people attacking Obama for trying to bring in efficient healthcare across the board.
 
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